Ren'Py The Fixer [v0.3.2.30] [Sam_Tail]

[Mommysbuttslut]

But the point still stands that she isn't producing anything with her efforts, except maybe cum stains on the floor. She's providing a service, certainly, by receiving payment for doing something so the people she's doing it for won't have to go through the effort of doing it themselves...

...Which is exactly what Oskar is doing. In case of a major repair Sammy notifies Oskar, who then seeks out a contractor and makes arrangements, rather than Sammy having to put her effort in over a week or two, then negotiating with her flatmates to put enough money together to repair it (which is harder if only a few apartments are impacted by the necessary repair) leading to arguments and, eventually, a breakdown of negotiations and the place looking like Haven a few years down the line. That is what you pay for and, unlike bar work, it is a previously agreed upon sum rather than 'whatever they feel like'.

No, you're comparing a hypothetical service to a material service. Sammy isn't exploiting the bar because the bar doesn't pay her. She's paid entirely through tips. If the customers didn't want Sammy getting the beers for them then they wouldn't tip her, along with optional services rendered. The only mildly exploitive aspect of Sammy's work is when she's selling her underwear for a profit. The rest of it is not.
There's another difference. It's a reasonable expectation that someone could call a contractor when something in their house breaks. It's not a reasonable expectation that someone could go behind a bar they don't own and pour themself a pint. If the amount they're paying in rent is enough to cover any maintenance costs then they're perfectly capable of assuming any maintenance costs in lieu of rent. Oskar is providing nothing in your example, he's taking their money to do what they could do themselves and pocketing the difference.

By your logic, you are being exploited by 9-1-1 operators because a portion of your taxes is going towards paying them, despite them not producing anything and you personally haven't had to call them in the past couple of months. But they are there when you need them, and it is that availability as a service that you are paying them for.

Administrative work isn't transformative labour so it doesn't create value. Assuming it's productive it's still important work to get the TV out to customers to use. So an administrator who works in front of the computer, on the phones and in the warehouse getting items shipped out so they can be sold and the labourers be paid isn't exploitive, they deserve a fair share of the surplus value. Some dude who sits on a piece of land, does nothing with it and charges people to use it is not offering anything of productive or transformative value.

Read above. Not all labour needs to be transformative for it to provide value if it enables transformative labour to continue and or facilitates its compensation. The miniscule tax load of 911 operators was well worth it when my dad needed an ambulance for a heart attack a couple years ago. The tax load that paid for the doctors and hospital was well worth it when he had to stay there for a few weeks feeding and housing him, when they gave him a battery of tests and when they operated on him for a grand total of $60 for only the ambulance. Care workers provide value by enabling transformative labour to exist. Without them we'd lose a worker every time one of them got seriously ill. Oscar does not provide that service, he does nothing that his tenants are perfectly capable of doing themselves. My dad couldn't have marched into a hospital on his own and performed his own open heart surgery.

 

[Penitensary]

No, you're comparing a hypothetical service to a material service. Sammy isn't exploiting the bar because the bar doesn't pay her. She's paid entirely through tips. If the customers didn't want Sammy getting the beers for them then they wouldn't tip her, along with optional services rendered. The only mildly exploitive aspect of Sammy's work is when she's selling her underwear for a profit. The rest of it is not.
There's another difference. It's a reasonable expectation that someone could call a contractor when something in their house breaks. It's not a reasonable expectation that someone could go behind a bar they don't own and pour themself a pint. If the amount they're paying in rent is enough to cover any maintenance costs then they're perfectly capable of assuming any maintenance costs in lieu of rent. Oskar is providing nothing in your example, he's taking their money to do what they could do themselves and pocketing the difference.

He is not providing anything noticeable because, ingame, nothing in your apartment breaks down. It is not a plot point that a window breaks or the central heating stops working or there's a gas leak somewhere and you need to go to Oskar to arrange to fix it, but that does not mean he would refuse to do anything when these events might take place. My old boss used to rent out apartments above his store, he got money every month but when a roof started leaking he had to arrange for someone to go and fix it, not his tenants.

Sam_Tail is planning to expand Oskar in future versions, but as it is it's a difference in assumptions: Oskar doesn't (yet) do anything noticeable, and while your assumption is that that means he is unwilling to do anything, mine is that it is too early to say as a situation where he might need to step in hasn't happened yet. To be fair, when Sammy can't afford rent his first reaction is not to yell at her or threaten to toss her out, but to give an alternative where she can work off her rent through compensatory labor, be it cleaning or casino work. And these remain optional, he doesn't call in a couple of gangsters to drag Sammy kicking and screaming to the casino in a leotard, the choice to accept is ultimately yours so i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt based on his character so far.

Read above. Not all labour needs to be transformative for it to provide value if it enables transformative labour to continue and or facilitates its compensation. The miniscule tax load of 911 operators was well worth it when my dad needed an ambulance for a heart attack a couple years ago. The tax load that paid for the doctors and hospital was well worth it when he had to stay there for a few weeks feeding and housing him, when they gave him a battery of tests and when they operated on him for a grand total of $60 for only the ambulance. Care workers provide value by enabling transformative labour to exist. Without them we'd lose a worker every time one of them got seriously ill. Oscar does not provide that service, he does nothing that his tenants are perfectly capable of doing themselves. My dad couldn't have marched into a hospital on his own and performed his own open heart surgery.

Glad to hear your father's doing okay.

My point is though, administrative work does add value to a product, even through something as basic as customer support. Landlord is not technically a job, but that does not mean they don't do anything worth being compensated for. You'd have a point if he was a loanshark (someone that uses money to generate more money) though.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

Sam_Tail is planning to expand Oskar in future versions, but as it is it's a difference in assumptions: Oskar doesn't (yet) do anything noticeable, and while your assumption is that that means he is unwilling to do anything,

You're going to have to point out where I said he was unwilling. I said he was unnecessary, his willingness is irrelevant. It's a hypothetical responsibility because it hasn't happened and it's an unnecessary responsibility because he isn't providing a meaningful service. I'm sure he would repair the apartment, I'm also sure that since Sammy and her roommates are paying the rent that affords those repairs that they're more suited to cover the repairs themselves.

Either way I've argued this enough. We've both made our points a few times over and I'm sure the mods have a nuke inbound to this conversation already so I'm gonna drop it here.

 

[Penitensary]

You're going to have to point out where I said he was unwilling. I said he was unnecessary, his willingness is irrelevant. It's a hypothetical responsibility because it hasn't happened and it's an unnecessary responsibility because he isn't providing a meaningful service. I'm sure he would repair the apartment, I'm also sure that since Sammy and her roommates are paying the rent that affords those repairs that they're more suited to cover the repairs themselves.

Either way I've argued this enough. We've both made our points a few times over and I'm sure the mods have a nuke inbound to this conversation already so I'm gonna drop it here.

The unwillingness was implied by stating he was exploiting Sammy and his other tenants by virtue of charging them rent to stay in his building. Unnecessary... i feel falls back to my previous example about 9-1-1 operators: They are technically unnecessary until they're needed, but when they're needed people are generally pretty happy they're manning the phones rather than flip burgers at Mickey D for a living. Oskar hasn't been needed yet in the game, so it is far too early to say his presence is unnecessary just because at the moment he is a money sink.

But i agree. We both shared our opinion and now it's up to Sam_Tail to provide the content that provides us with context

 

[Sewyoba]

While it is true that in the world of the Fixer, there is no law forcing someone to pay rent for staying in an apartment, by your own logic Sammy is exploiting the bar she works at because she does not handle processing the orders and just carries existing stuff to and from customers.

Sammy is a hired hand who gets paid as a kind of subcontractor to bar owner. Bar owner is the one providing services, while Sammy is a worker there.

And yeah, services are a net "drain", or expenditures, on the economics sheet, not a productive behaviour. Same as housing. You people are mixing up "things that make me feel good" with productive behaviour, lol

 

[Warphorror]

Sammy is a hired hand who gets paid as a kind of subcontractor to bar owner. Bar owner is the one providing services, while Sammy is a worker there.

And yeah, services are a net "drain", or expenditures, on the economics sheet, not a productive behaviour. Same as housing. You people are mixing up "things that make me feel good" with productive behaviour, lol

In your example the bar owner still provide a tangible service, provide the beer wich include storage, fridge for bottle or pump, seatting, a heated room, etc.
Where in the case of Oskar it's never presented what he does as a landlord, you can't even say he provide safety inside the apartement block since male flatmates are planned which in the game setting will lead to women being abused without repercusion.
I think the maintenance aspect of Oskar or safety inside the block should be pushed forward. Even Haven felt more safe, with their visible guards.
My personnal view is that there is a suffisant return to order in the town that the concept of propriety is protected, also given the number of prostitutes there are enough of a prodution of food and/or wealth that people have spare to maintain a high population density of whores.
On a side note I don't like the idea of males flatmates forced upon the player, you pay rent to be safe.

 

[Sewyoba]

On a side note I don't like the idea of males flatmates forced upon the player, you pay rent to be safe.

You have flatmates because the rent is too high for living alone

 

[Warphorror]

You have flatmates because the rent is too high for living alone

You missed the point of them being males and the link with Oskar offering a service : safe lodging. Being raped in the shower or in your bedroom completely undermine the point of paying to be safe.
The game clearly set that a vulnerable MC is a prey MC and any male is a potential abuser if you let your guard down. There is already the plan that a sleep drunk Robbin that is not wake up by the player could be raped once the male flatmates will be introduced.
Also 400$ per person per week is already quite a lot.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

You missed the point of them being males and the link with Oskar offering a service : safe lodging. Being raped in the shower or in your bedroom completely undermine the point of paying to be safe.
The game clearly set that a vulnerable MC is a prey MC and any male is a potential abuser if you let your guard down. There is already the plan that a sleep drunk Robbin that is not wake up by the player could be raped once the male flatmates will be introduced.
Also 400$ per person per week is already quite a lot.

Might be an idea to have the outcast removeable, maybe with a penalty to the rent to offset the easier rape avoidability. Maybe let us poison his meals kinda like we do with the bullies. Mind you I'm a weird fuck who finds virgin runs to be the most fun here so I'm sure my opinion isn't super popular with this game's base.

 

[Hiroshi000]

New build out

 

[fblurblblarghl]

Might be an idea to have the outcast removeable, maybe with a penalty to the rent to offset the easier rape avoidability. Maybe let us poison his meals kinda like we do with the bullies. Mind you I'm a weird fuck who finds virgin runs to be the most fun here so I'm sure my opinion isn't super popular with this game's base.

I'm still of the opinion that Sammy should be able to get a slambang shotgun to handle serious problems with. I think a particularly determined Sammy could probably fit one up her asshole too, although she'd need a few minutes to get it ready to fire, and it wouldn't be a big one, probably just 20 gauge.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

I'm still of the opinion that Sammy should be able to get a slambang shotgun to handle serious problems with. I think a particularly determined Sammy could probably fit one up her asshole too, although she'd need a few minutes to get it ready to fire, and it wouldn't be a big one, probably just 20 gauge.

Alternate haven path, instead of a radio transponder up her ass she brings a shotgun up it and rains holy hell on anyone who doesn't tell her about the doctor.

 

[fblurblblarghl]

Alternate haven path, instead of a radio transponder up her ass she brings a shotgun up it and rains holy hell on anyone who doesn't tell her about the doctor.

while that is an amusing thought, she'd probably need about a minute in total safety and with everything ready to go to reload the shotgun, slambangs are basically single shot weapons, you have to unscrew the endcap and pry out the shell which would have deformed from the pressures of firing to reload them. A future job where the goal isn't to gather info but instead to "fix a problem" might work better for that. I hope every fixer job starts with something increasingly massive crammed up Sammy's butt, if only for her interactions with her sister each time. Also idk if anyone else has called it yet, but I bet she isn't actually related to her sister and it's a false memory, or some other twist like that is in store regarding the sister character (who I can't remember the name of off the top of my head). Then again, if the shotgun was a .410 she might be able to fit 2 or 3 up there, admittedly only for a short time, and it'd probably be agonizing.

 

[Penitensary]

I'm still of the opinion that Sammy should be able to get a slambang shotgun to handle serious problems with. I think a particularly determined Sammy could probably fit one up her asshole too, although she'd need a few minutes to get it ready to fire, and it wouldn't be a big one, probably just 20 gauge.

And add cheesy one-liners such as:

"Which of you assholes wants to be the two-pump chump?"

 

[Joe Steel]

Alternate haven path, instead of a radio transponder up her ass she brings a shotgun up it and rains holy hell on anyone who doesn't tell her about the doctor.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Every time Sammy fires her poopshoot popgun, she'd be shooting herself in the ass. I'm thinking that there would be no second shot.

 

[MAKE DEEPFAKES]

Also idk if anyone else has called it yet, but I bet she isn't actually related to her sister and it's a false memory, or some other twist like that is in store regarding the sister character (who I can't remember the name of off the top of my head).

You're wrong, the twist doesn't have anything to do with Emile because the twist is that Sammy is a

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[Tucker64]

I don't like how your allure is IMMEDIATELY put to 0 when you have any visible cum on you. Even though the tooltip says it's only a -500 modifier to allure but I have well over that, it still sets it to 0. Sadge.

 

[Amhran]

It is a funny comparison against Degrees of Lewdity having it actually increase your allure instead. This game also has mandatory clean-up afterwards for most events, which I'm not sure if necessarily makes the most sense in all cases.