Ren'Py Completed SuperPowered [v0.45.02] [Night City Productions]

[Baal7734]

The problem of these people is less being stupid but a very confusing way of describing the means to a specific end.
If the wiki or in-game tooltips would explain things with the correct terms most people wouldnt actually ask in the first place.

The correct and also most general but helpful description would be:
Certain limits of a character require a suppression or reprogramming of some kind. Another way would be the use of psychotic measures against the mind of that character.

A description like that points clearly towards what kind of power or interaction is required without actually giving everything away for those who want to figure the details out by themselves.

tl;dr: making mechanic descriptions overly complicated and misleading isnt really a game feature

You'd be correct if the goal of the game was to have sex with Mom, the way some games like "The Twist" or "Man of the House" are designed. This is false assumption. Can you? Yes. Do you have to, to progress in the game. No. There is a style of design that encourages exploration, whether that be exploration of locations, or exploration of actions/mechanics. This game is influenced by that style. It may not be your cup of tea, and that's fine. But I'd encourage you to try to look at the game from a less narrow point of view. This is not a game that holds your hand. There is content for success and failure, which means the focus of the game is less on the end goal and more on how you get there.

 

[toolkitxx]

You'd be correct if the goal of the game was to have sex with Mom, the way some games like "The Twist" or "Man of the House" are designed. This is false assumption. Can you? Yes. Do you have to, to progress in the game. No. There is a style of design that encourages exploration, whether that be exploration of locations, or exploration of actions/mechanics. This game is influenced by that style. It may not be your cup of tea, and that's fine. But I'd encourage you to try to look at the game from a less narrow point of view. This is not a game that holds your hand. There is content for success and failure, which means the focus of the game is less on the end goal and more on how you get there.

We will probably not share this point of view as the game contradicts your statement by providing half-hearted feedback and visible restrictions all over the places. If exploration of mechanics would be the goal none of those would exist in the first place. Hundreds of pages with the same questions mean either that the game never attracted the right audience or my point stands and implementation of feedback etc has simply been neglected. A simple example i base this on would be getting the phone number of Ms Larson. Even if you document along the way when and why you can get phone numbers you will get a fail when you try for her and also get wrong feedback ingame.

 

[Baal7734]

Pointing at how many people ask the same questions shows a trend among adult game players more than anything else. Not all, but the majority of adult games are VN's which is for all intents and purposes "hold CTRL to get to the Pr0n" type games. That is what a lot of adult game players are use to. So when they play a game that is much more involved, rather than use the search function of the forum, or the wiki, they ask here. It's not like they had to figure out how to get to the porn in any of the other games. Is my game new player friendly, not completely. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done on the UI, and more tutorial sections need to be made. But my game will always be somewhat stingy in regards to information on outcomes. There's no point in putting negative consequences in the game if there's a tooltip saying "This is a negative consequence!". And negative consequences are required for a game. This is a game. Not a Graphic Novel. Not a narrative. Not a story. A game.

 

[toolkitxx]

Pointing at how many people ask the same questions shows a trend among adult game players more than anything else. Not all, but the majority of adult games are VN's which is for all intents and purposes "hold CTRL to get to the Pr0n" type games. That is what a lot of adult game players are use to. So when they play a game that is much more involved, rather than use the search function of the forum, or the wiki, they ask here. It's not like they had to figure out how to get to the porn in any of the other games. Is my game new player friendly, not completely. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done on the UI, and more tutorial sections need to be made. But my game will always be somewhat stingy in regards to information on outcomes. There's no point in putting negative consequences in the game if there's a tooltip saying "This is a negative consequence!". And negative consequences are required for a game. This is a game. Not a Graphic Novel. Not a narrative. Not a story. A game.

I wasnt aware you are the actual developer of this - that one is on me.
I am an engineer in my daily life and there is a simple rule to analysis and re-engineering: if you cant measure things or cant get feedback on them any result will be arbitrary at best or simply random assumption. If the intent was to make the player dig into the actual code and unarchive the renpy-files- job well done. You have spend quite a bit effort on presenting a nice UI (especially because it is a renpy game which often lack that part).
As of failing gives you content: I heavily disagree with this regarding the mechanics. Without the out of game wiki things are extremely random as there is no way to actually know upfront why i would go to any of the departments or what to expect in terms of costs or abilities available. I have to actually spend both time and energy to go there just to find out that i cant get anything for my current status points - that cant really be a feature unless you really want the player to have a miserable experience.
P.S: Even if i would be willing to spend that energy - there is no tooltip when i dont have enough points available.

 

[dragoon93041]

Eh, well, I'm a player who enjoys exploration. I actually enjoy it when I get to figure out things.

 

[Baal7734]

I can't tell if you're talking about Globex, the Initiative, or Larsons Office. So I'll try to cover them all. Globex and the Initiative, are currently just skeletons. They have only been developed enough to serve thier function. I'll focus more on them once I'm done with the school. As for Larson's Office...There are tasks designed to teach you how the mechnics of the school, the initiative, logistics division, and globex work. If you follow those tasks you'll end up with a method to generate money, an understanding of how to get new jobs, an understanding of how to get new powers, and an understanding of how to gain influence (Over the school anyway). There is a problem with the map that I plan on addressing eventually in regards to locations being open but out of range of your current travel method. But outside that, I'm not really sure what you mean. The only randomness in the game are "Flavor" scenes, that are not required to progress through the fairly limited amount of story that has been added.

 

[toolkitxx]

I should probably clarify:

First of all i am not one of those players you described - thus my pointer about my personal background. I dont shy away from figuring out mechanics - at least not in general. But if i am supposed to do so to enjoy a game i would expect the feedback ingame and not via an outside wiki or by using mods to get insight into changes that are not otherwise visible in the base game. I actually liked your game enough to come back to it several times since quite a few versions back in the hope things had changed.

My example was about visiting any of those agencies not Ms Larson office. The map isnt really a problem actually - that was my point n the earlier post. The restrictions are clear , explained and there is even visual feedback .

Lets just take a single example as it applies to all of them: I have 84 Initiative Influence and think about investing them for something. There is no other way than actually visiting the Initiative costing me both time and usually also willpower. First now i get the ability to actually get feedback that my 84 points are not worth anything as everything available will cost more. You solved that nicely in the Globex part with a catalog (that actually gives me an idea what other stuff i could/should plan for), but there isnt any other way than actually physically going there and 'wasting' both time and energy for nothing.

As i usually hate playing with cheats or cheat mods i have spend quite some time just playing the vanilla (or at least tried) and simply gave feedback from a perspective of someone who generally appreciates the game but thinks there is far too much arbitrary stuff that requires better feedback ingame. And before this gets misunderstood too - i am all for surprising events content wise ('Movie Time!' is hillarious btw)

 

[Sihil]

How do I get mom corruption scenes again?

 

[Baal7734]

Mom doesn't have standard corruption scenes the way the girls at school do. (at least not yet)

 

[Gagi114]

Just started the game. Is there any way of getting into sister's room when she's changing 4 school or playing loud music? Some posts say she isn't fully implemented but then again they were made in 2017. So just wondering if it's available now as I don't C any icon that leads 2 her room yet.! Thanks

 

[Gagi114]

ScriptError: could not find label 'mom_TV_scene'.

Anyone has a solution for this error?

Happened 2 me when I was using outdated AVOID NTR mod. Just replace those modded "char_name.rpy" files with original ones and U should be good 2 go (if U used the mod that is).

 

[eugenene]

Just started the game. Is there any way of getting into sister's room when she's changing 4 school or playing loud music? Some posts say she isn't fully implemented but then again they were made in 2017. So just wondering if it's available now as I don't C any icon that leads 2 her room yet.! Thanks

Sister's room technically doesn't exist. Same is true for the shower and Mom's room. You can't go there and do stuff, there are just scenes that happen in them.

Happened 2 me when I was using outdated AVOID NTR mod. Just replace those modded "char_name.rpy" files with original ones and U should be good 2 go (if U used the mod that is).

You might adress this in the specific mod thread.

 

[Baal7734]

No, there are currently no plans to make her room accessable. I have limited UI space, and most of her scenes can be accessed from the kitchen/living room

 

[Deleted member 229118]

Just a minnor curiousity:
Why isnt mind control consider an evil action/give evil points?
Last i checked slavery was evil and mind control is the worst kind of slavery.

Also is there anyway without mods to get 10+ on concentration checks?
In my most recent playthrough i had both hit and concentration maxed out and i never got higher then 8.
It kinda makes the willpower supression worthless.
My entire goal was to use supress willpower to keep the will on zero to increase the chance of created deep sated mental illness.
But 2+ every day is still 2 too many.

I am looking forward when the dev is done with the school.
I lust the game but it is getting a bit tiresome there are no risks of getting caught, No feeling of choices have consequences.
I get that it is a porn game but i feel like there isnt any risk involved.
Nobody seem to notice that girls like allie for example go from nerd to slut in a few days.
No adult/teacher seem to notice the toilet has become a whore houses of mind controled girls.
No parents complaining about there child sudden change in behavior and constant white eyes.
No ability to use mind control to have miss larson keep your grades up for you or get her to agree with stuff that require school influence.
Mind control is a majoy fetish for me and while minecraft is a billion times better then most mind control options in games.
I feel like so much more could be done with it.
Also thanks to the dev for giving us an option to get girls to wear more clothing.
So many games only have the one way slut route it is really refreshing to see other options.

I have high hopes for this game.

 

[TheNR]

Can't wait for the 0.30 already.

 

[khumak]

Just a minnor curiousity:
Why isnt mind control consider an evil action/give evil points?
Last i checked slavery was evil and mind control is the worst kind of slavery.

I suspect there may be some plans for more consequences related to that when the storyline for the Institute is developed. If you notice looking at the mind control powers, some of them are "subtle" and others are not. It wouldn't surprise me to see some of those tweaked to where you get some unwanted notice for turning everyone into mindless sexbots rather than something more subtle like just wearing more revealing clothing or whatever. I don't think anything like that is really implemented yet though.

There are some powers that make you evil for using them though such as giving someone a psychotic break. Other than the alignment change there are no consequences though as far as I know.

 

[Deleted member 229118]

I suspect there may be some plans for more consequences related to that when the storyline for the Institute is developed. If you notice looking at the mind control powers, some of them are "subtle" and others are not. It wouldn't surprise me to see some of those tweaked to where you get some unwanted notice for turning everyone into mindless sexbots rather than something more subtle like just wearing more revealing clothing or whatever. I don't think anything like that is really implemented yet though.

There are some powers that make you evil for using them though such as giving someone a psychotic break. Other than the alignment change there are no consequences though as far as I know.

Yes i noticed.
That is why i asked.
You get evil points for driving them insane but not for messing with there free will?

Like i said the game is currently the best out there but so much more could be done with mind control.
Like give me free powers if you mind controled the hospital or having control of the scientist girl in the institute allowing you to get away with more stuff.
So much portaintal in this game.

 

[GodhandLaurel]

I can't make Ms. Larson a Professional Ally anymore. Anyone experienced this?

 

[Dech100]

Is there any requirements for unlocking Mary Obsessive scenes, I have her as Obsessive, but for some reason the event dont happen, is it like for Denise, wicht need another character with the Obsessive trait?

 

[Baal7734]

I can't make Ms. Larson a Professional Ally anymore. Anyone experienced this?

If you suppress her professionalism....not much professionalism is left to rely on.

You gotta get her corruption to a certain amount.