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So, the game has an appropriate rating to be released in Germany but "frequent nudity" blocks it, no matter the ratings?!?
I hadn't been confused like this since the third Matrix movie ... Makes no sense.
 
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So, the game has an appropriate rating to be released in Germany but "frequent nudity" blocks it, no matter the ratings?!?
I hadn't been confused like this since the third Matrix movie ... Makes no sense.
Try to get any VN on Steam from Germany -- and you'll find out that you'll get non that contains any kind on nudity - same goes for GOG.
I know because I tried for multiple Games I liked to buy... for example Leap of Faith by Grifty Games... also no way to get it on Steam from Germany.
So it wasn't that much of a surprise that he even mentioned it - LOL
 

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the game has an appropriate rating to be released in Germany
Steam uses the PEGI system. is NOT german. PEGI is used by 41 european countries, but not in Germany. Germany uses an own system called . I don't know why so many people talking about a rating in Germany when it's nothing have to do with Germany.
 

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Try to get any VN on Steam from Germany -- and you'll find out that you'll get non that contains any kind on nudity - same goes for GOG.
I know because I tried for multiple Games I liked to buy... for example Leap of Faith by Grifty Games... also no way to get it on Steam from Germany.
So it wasn't that much of a surprise that he even mentioned it - LOL
DriftyGames , So you are forbidden from both of them from now on and my beloved Sasha.
 
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Steam uses the PEGI system. is NOT german. PEGI is used by 41 european countries, but not in Germany. Germany uses an own system called . I don't know why so many people talking about a rating in Germany when it's nothing have to do with Germany.
No matter the naming it is a weird censorship.
What harm would boobs do to the Germans, turning them straight?
 

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No matter the naming it is a weird censorship.
Well, talk with Steam. They use PEGI. The german system USK isn't as strict as PEGI. In Germany it's only porn if you see an erect dick and/or open vagina. Summer's Gone is USK 16 even with the removed pictures everybody talks about.
What harm would boobs do to the Germans, turning them straight?
Dude, once again: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GERMANY! In fact nobody in Germany cares about boobs. You can see them on television in the afternoon, even in tv shows for children. It's not the USA where the whole country gets a meltdown when Janet Jackson shows a nipple during super bowl show.
 

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Well, talk with Steam. They use PEGI. The german system USK isn't as strict as PEGI. In Germany it's only porn if you see an erect dick and/or open vagina. Summer's Gone is USK 16 even with the removed pictures everybody talks about.

Dude, once again: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GERMANY! In fact nobody in Germany cares about boobs. You can see them on television in the afternoon, even in tv shows for children. It's not the USA where the whole country gets a meltdown when Janet Jackson shows a nipple during super bowl show.
So it gets PEGI 16, and can be bought in the US by pretty much anyone, because there is no age verification, but Germany which has a less strict rating, noone can download or buy it when the only sexual content is boobs and innuendo.

Makes complete sense.
 
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No matter the naming it is a weird censorship.
What harm would boobs do to the Germans, turning them straight?
It's especially odd given how crazy German porn is lol.
So it gets PEGI 16, and can be bought in the US by pretty much anyone, because there is no age verification, but Germany which has a less strict rating, noone can download or buy it when the only sexual content is boobs and innuendo.

Makes complete sense.
Not Germany, or thier USK(former FSK), or PEGI are enforcing that censorship/geoblock.
Steam does.
Germany just want a proper age verification build into their platform to protect minors from 18+ content - and that is justified.
Moronic Steam is lazy as fuck and refuses to implement one, so Steam decided to go the easy way and geoblocks all 18+ content for the German players.
 

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Not Germany, or thier USK(former FSK), or PEGI are enforcing that censorship/geoblock.
Steam does.
Germany just want a proper age verification to protect minors from 18+ content - and that is justified.
Moronic Steam is lazy as fuck and refuses to implement one, so Steam decided to go the easy way and geoblocks all 18+ content for the German players.
This is what I'm trying to understand - it hasn't received and 18+ rating, but a 16+ one, so why would it be geoblocked to germany?
 
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So it gets PEGI 16, and can be bought in the US by pretty much anyone, because there is no age verification, but Germany which has a less strict rating, noone can download or buy it when the only sexual content is boobs and innuendo.
That's on Valve. In the EU you have to have an age verification system. It's EU law. The problem with Germany is that Germany is the only country in the EU where an old catholic hag sued Valve because of the lack of said verfication system. Instead of implementing an age verification system which fits to EU law, Valve decided to shadow ban german customers from games with sexual content. Same would happen if someone in the Netherlands, Poland, Austria, Denmark, France, Italy, etc. would sue them. Valve don't want to invest money into an age verification system. As long as no one goes to court no government cares about it. But it's EU law.
Makes complete sense.
No, it doesn't. It just shows you don't know the background about Steam, and just a FYI: as a german you can buy said games on Steam. You just have to know how.
 

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This is what I'm trying to understand - it hasn't received and 18+ rating, but a 16+ one, so why would it be geoblocked to germany?
1. SG has nudity (the rating is irrelevant)
2. Germany/the EU requires age verification for the purchase of such material.
3. Steam are cheap/lazy f**ks and won't implement an age verification system to comply with German/EU law.
4. Steam simply blocks all content falling under the age verification requirement from users in Germany, so to comply with German law.
 
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This is what I'm trying to understand - it hasn't received and 18+ rating, but a 16+ one, so why would it be geoblocked to germany?
The rating is not the problem by itself, at least not alone. It's the content shown. And the nail steam is hanging Ocean out to dry is "frequent nudity"

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But you are right the decision making on the side of steam is quite...
... questionable.
 

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That's on Valve. In the EU you have to have an age verification system. It's EU law. The problem with Germany is that Germany is the only country in the EU where an old catholic hag sued Valve because of the lack of said verfication system. Instead of implementing an age verification system which fits to EU law, Valve decided to shadow ban german customers from games with sexual content. Same would happen if someone in the Netherlands, Poland, Austria, Denmark, France, Italy, etc. would sue them. Valve don't want to invest money into an age verification system. As long as no one goes to court no government cares about it. But it's EU law.
No, it doesn't. It just shows you don't know the background about Steam, and just a FYI: as a german you can buy said games on Steam. You just have to know how.
Sorry, the internet got in the way, I was sarcastic (at steam, not you) about it making sense, sorry. What you say here makes actual sense, thank you.

1. SG has nudity (the rating is irrelevant)
2. Germany/the EU requires age verification for the purchase of such material.
3. Steam are cheap/lazy f**ks and won't implement an age verification system to comply with German/EU law.
4. Steam simply blocks all content falling under the age verification requirement from users in Germany, so to comply with German law.
The rating is not the problem by itself, at least not alone. It's the content shown. And the nail steam is hanging Ocean out to dry is "frequent nudity"

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But you are right the decision making on the side of steam is quite...
... questionable.
This is interesting because I'm not from Europe. Steam has hidden the webpage globally now, so you have to sign in to see it, while if I view the Epic page from the US, (17+ there) I have to verify my age with the date, but from the Netherlands it is PEGI 16, no check, can see the Epic page, japan, IARC 16 no check, can see the Epic page.

So I guess there's a very inconsistent approach. I'll try finding a free german VPN to see that, more because I'm curious.

I guess they have decided the theme of the game is sexual even if there is no sex (which honestly, it is sexualised to be fair).
 
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