There are bad acts and there are stupid acts. The heist, the use of Vanessa, and their "brilliant" plan to destroy the Holgerson family are mostly stupid acts, but that doesn't make them any less malicious. No doubt, if Vanessa had turned out to be that dumbo bimbo, they would have tried to put their plan into action.
The Mila situation, before which Nika is already plotting his revenge, is his excuse. Bella doesn't care about her and isn't close to him when she agrees to the plan. Her excuses are Amber and blind hatred.
There is no evidences that Stefan desires her mother or that he is a pedophile. Bella throws around serious accusations without adding any value to them even in the form of arguments. She accuses Stefan of being a pedophile, but does so in such a short form and never returns to it again though this pedophile socialises with her mother. Someone will find it unreasonable for me to focus so much attention on this moment, but I have a suspicion that this is a bait for trusting players. It's like thoughts just pop up in her mind as excuses for more hate. This makes her descriptions of other characters less trustworthy, this also applies to her description of Vanessa. Overall, even if Stefan lusts after Amber, their plan remains horrible.
Bella knows that Vanessa is Zara's sister who is her classmate and former friend. She doesn't mind using her anyway. Despite the fact that Vanessa has nothing to do with what is going on between them and the Holgersons. She's just Mario's girlfriend, she is innocent in this part of the story.
But no extra thought. Let's just do it.
For some reason, Bella feels no remorse for these acts. How so? She's a better person after meeting Nika, she felt so sorry when she humiliated that poor woman in the restroom. What an interesting, selective sense of conscience she has. It feels like as long as Bella's atrocities don't involve her personally and aren't committed in front of her, she's fine with them. After all, she is afraid the old pervert will seduce her mother, but she is alright with giving him the other woman. That alone is completely fucked up. So no, she doesn't see the error in her ways yet. She's totally blind.
Nika who functions as her conscience remains silent on that matter too and only sounds the alarm when they are at risk being fucked by Vanessa for their imbecility. What a great man, literally a messiah who appeared to guide Bella on the right path... with a blindfold and on his hands so she would not see that they were walking over people's heads. He should look in the mirror and take the beam out of his eye. What a hypocritical, brainless piece of shit. I love it. His view on Bella is biased, has no real weight and indicates nothing. The same goes for his self-view.
I must have made a mistake when I placed William but not Nika after Leia. Good for Nick that her daughter is so suspicious. Who knows what other scumbags might be on their doorstep next time.
I want to especially emphasise that they're not learning any lessons from the situation with Vanessa. Their plan fails, they shrug their shoulders and move on. They will do it again if a suitable target comes to hand.
Bella studied the Holgersons house before the events. She knows the layout of the building and the exact positions of the security cameras. She was preparing to break into their property. And this isn't her first heist, she has experience.
I never called her a villian. But I consider her a terrible person.
After writing that all, I'm not even sure she's better than Vanessa.
The plot should hit her not because she does bad things in the first place, but because she does things that by common sense should have far-reaching consequences. She's a criminal, she broke the law, she crossed powerful people. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Consequences are not necessarily punishment for bad actions and are not necessarily justified. But since this is a story about healing, I suppose these consequences must have some moral basis.
Now you seem to agree with me on that. But earlier you wrote, "She doesn’t deserve to be punished further for her actions, her guilt is enough punishment." And then you continued to press the point that she has regrets and feelings. You didn't call it a "magic bubble" but that's essentially what follows from what you were saying.
Good storytelling? Can't say yet.
I hope Ocean understands what he writes.
Because if he doesn't... bruh.
Yeah, I'm wondering how the story arc on this crazy scheming will play out. In a game about healing... surely Nika (at least) and Bella will have a future option to stop their BS scheme and perhaps make amends. If not, I hope they face real consequences when things turn to custard. As it stands, Nika now has to work out how to get Mila out of trouble.
There is the path where Bella does the Holgerson heist alone, and Nika does not participate. Mila still gets in the shit for it. You'd think on that path there would be an option for Nika to say, enough is enough, this can't continue. But there is not. That petty chip on Nika's shoulder from when Summer's family looked down upon him presumably wins out.
Ultimately, someone's got to pay a price for the Holgerson heist. Will it be Mila, Nika, Bella, or will 'Belka' find another innocent patsy to take the fall? (I could see this patsy being Melanie Ceril). Part of me hopes that on a path where Nika confides to Nami about the heist, she will dob Nika in for his own good (tough love), should another innocent party be set to take the fall.
I hear you. I know you and many others don't like what he did. I don't like it either but there's nothing anyone can do about it. His game, his rules.
Maybe he did what he intended to back then, and then decided to change things up (either because real life, how he felt back then is not how he feels now or he did it for the Steam moneyz) I don't know, only he does. If people don't like it, they don't have to play it.
You can voice your disappointment, but doing so over and over gets repetitive and annoying (not saying you are doing this, I just mean in general) If you supported him before all the changes, I am deeply sorry. There should be something to stop Devs from changing games up, especially if you support them from the beginning (whoever did support him from the start)
Patreon doesn't help either, though. Maybe he made certain changes to please them... I just don't know. Sisterly Lust on Steam did an update (years later) that now requires you to use a patch for the incest action. If I buy a certain version and then that version is no longer accessible (or needs a patch to play something you didn't need a patch to play before) I would like my money back.
When it comes to this game and its incest... idk. I don't see Nami as a sister and Nojki (or however you spell her name) as my mother. I feel like Nika and Nami are adopted rather than siblings. That's how I feel playing the game. I can be wrong, but the fact is, I don't care about it that much. Which is weird because when it comes to Incest games, my MC is after his sister/mom/aunt whoever lol
I appreciate the level-headed feedback. If I read every post in this thread, I would probably also be tired of people saying similar things.
I do take exception to one thing though. Is there really nothing anyone can do about it? All I'm asking for is a gallery or some way to optionally view the content that he's already made. There is already a decensor mod for chapter 5 beta. Is it impossible that it could be updated? I don't think it's much different to the music restoration mod.
I'm fine with whatever Ocean decides to do going forward, but I'd like to see all of the stuff that he's already made.
I appreciate the level-headed feedback. If I read every post in this thread, I would probably also be tired of people saying similar things.
I do take exception to one thing though. Is there really nothing anyone can do about it? All I'm asking for is a gallery or some way to optionally view the content that he's already made. There is already a decensor mod for chapter 5 beta. Is it impossible that it could be updated? I don't think it's much different to the music restoration mod.
I'm fine with whatever Ocean decides to do going forward, but I'd like to see all of the stuff that he's already made.
The best way is to download the previous versions of the game. I've got a chapter 2 and a 4.5 for remembering things that have been cut. When going through them, it's remarkable how much more appreciation I have for the season 1 release. The biggest detrimental aspect is not the one lewd scene and the penises that were cut from the game, but the affect it had on Nami's character. Nami is the character that changes the most from Ch5 Beta to S1, while Mila is the one who loses out in terms of still not having a settled render.
Season 2 has no old material, so I think it'll be a breath of fresh air, and any of the cut content can resurface in a better form.
sorry, I don't share your view. Something happened in this book club that is much more crucial to the story. He should think about this a lot more. In my opinion, Amber is a low priority.
I appreciate the level-headed feedback. If I read every post in this thread, I would probably also be tired of people saying similar things.
I do take exception to one thing though. Is there really nothing anyone can do about it? All I'm asking for is a gallery or some way to optionally view the content that he's already made. There is already a decensor mod for chapter 5 beta. Is it impossible that it could be updated? I don't think it's much different to the music restoration mod.
You are welcome. Level-headed/decent posts deserve level-headed/decent replies.
Just download the non-Steam version (Chapter 5 Beta + Uncensored Patch) and you should be able to see everything before the Steam release. Well, minus the older versions (before the reworked stuff) I am sure some/most people on here who love the game probably have the OG version+.
You'd have to ask an expert Summer's Gone player who knows what to do to experience everything from the beginning to now.
Hmm, I think there is a EULA? for the game on Steam. So, you can't use Mods? or Ocean just doesn't want to risk having a mod work with the game and then it gets banned from Patreon or something like that. I'm no expert and I am sorry for that. I didn't try using the patch/mod that's on here with the Steam version so, if anyone else has tried, let this person know what happens.
Now you seem to agree with me on that. But earlier you wrote, "She doesn’t deserve to be punished further for her actions, her guilt is enough punishment." And then you continued to press the point that she has regrets and feelings. You didn't call it a "magic bubble" but that's essentially what follows from what you were saying.
I’m not agreeing with you only now. I said from the start days ago that Bella is immature and has a fixation on vengeance and will suffer the consequences of her recklessness and anger. There was never any “magic bubble” around her.
Bella will be arrested at some point. It's only a matter of time before she gets caught illegaly racing.
She should be more careful in the future and we as Nika will get a chance to influence her path for good or bad. Depending on our choices she might stay stuck in her ways or stop endangering herself for good.
Bella's problem is her anger, it's her defense mechanism. It's something she needs to work on and she will. At that point she'll be able to deal with stuff in a more measured way instead of resorting to excess anytime.
Bella needs to realize that
Illegal racing is bad.
Bullying people is bad.
Corrupting them is bad.
Spying on them is bad.
Invading their private life is bad.
Stealing their stuff is bad.
Damaging their property is bad.
Creating malicious schemes against them is bad.
Destroying other people's families is bad.
Entering private property without their permission is bad.
Bullying people who have previously bullied you is bad too, btw.
Making fun of Nami's tits is bad.
And she will.
I can see why you’re dissatisfied as it is but we barely scratched the game’s surface. Bella’s healing has just begun but she’s realizing already that some of the stuff she does is wrong and fucked up and she’s starting to change her ways, but will still pay more of an actual price since she can’t cancel her past actions.
On some things like vengeance and in particular the Holgersons, who we don’t know enough about to be sure of anything, she needs to work a lot more. There could be a sound reason behind her hatred for them and why she feels that she needs to protect her mom.
Give it time. Future Bella will cringe at her past self and be a better person. The same can be said for Nika who excuses her behavior sometimes, his healing journey just started too.
The best way is to download the previous versions of the game. I've got a chapter 2 and a 4.5 for remembering things that have been cut. When going through them, it's remarkable how much more appreciation I have for the season 1 release. The biggest detrimental aspect is not the one lewd scene and the penises that were cut from the game, but the affect it had on Nami's character. Nami is the character that changes the most from Ch5 Beta to S1, while Mila is the one who loses out in terms of still not having a settled render.
Season 2 has no old material, so I think it'll be a breath of fresh air, and any of the cut content can resurface in a better form.
You keep saying this and it keeps leaving me baffled.
How in God's green Earth can you go from the starting point in the relationship with Nami to the "change in perception" and the "race with impossible odds" without all the cut content? Nothing was added. And you cut the most important bits of intimacy and meaningful relationship progression between them. So how does it make sense to you??? It's like getting from the point of meeting each other to getting married without all the dating.
Keep in mind I haven't played the Steam release. I just glanced at the renders and script. So it's utterly confusing to me how anyone can make sense of their relationship evolution. Considering there is no physical intimacy after her finding out about Nick. No going too far and kissing after spending the night together and no jacuzzi scene. HOW DOES IT MAKE SENSE?!?!!?
sorry, I don't share your view. Something happened in this book club that is much more crucial to the story. He should think about this a lot more. In my opinion, Amber is a low priority.
Sure, this club is important to the story, but at the exactly moment of that quote from MC he's not there. At the moment it's about raising Nojiko's influence in the group and using Amber for his own good.
Melanie has a birth mark / beauty mark? whatever you call it, facial mole, on her face though.
I tried very hard to look back at screenshots of the pizza/bus girl, and even with the hair blocking somewhat near part of that face, it's thin enough that you might be able to see it on close up of renders, but it's not there. Definitely don't think it's Melanie, unless the attention to detail was missed, but I feel attention to detail is pretty well done / intentional so far, so I doubt it's her.
I don't think they are going to reveal until mid season 2. Bella thinks that the sister is after her because of her mothers fame. Sisters are both nuts I wouldn't be surprise this has to do with Melanie asking her sister to destroy her.
Sasha is my girl (despite what some people say cause I've been defending Bella lately *COFF COFF*) so I replayed that part after a long time to get back to you.
Could be but i think she is referring to an ex or something, she doesn´t know Nika enough, she could be attracted to him if she finds him cute or interesting but those things she said have some past, i think she had a past with a guy in other social class and her family forced her to leave him, maybe that´s why she could be attracted to Nika.
You could be absolutely right about she referring to him but i think is more plausible think in an old ex boyfriend
You keep saying this and it keeps leaving me baffled.
How in God's green Earth can you go from the starting point in the relationship with Nami to the "change in perception" and the "race with impossible odds" without all the cut content? Nothing was added. And you cut the most important bits of intimacy and meaningful relationship progression between them. So how does it make sense to you??? It's like getting from the point of meeting each other to getting married without all the dating.
Keep in mind I haven't played the Steam release. I just glanced at the renders and script. So it's utterly confusing to me how anyone can make sense of their relationship evolution. Considering there is no physical intimacy after her finding out about Nick. No going too far and kissing after spending the night together and no jacuzzi scene. HOW DOES IT MAKE SENSE?!?!!?
The pacing of Nami's path feels better me. Before, I felt like she was forcing herself on Nika, everything was intense, the football hulk arms at every moment. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but as a character, I liked her humour, but she felt exaggerated. Everything was too fast, too intense. As his most trusted person, she didn't really show much reason to trust her, she was like a loose cannon, I half expected her to get distracted at every moment. Too hyper for me. Now her darker/shy side is visible before the impossible race. There are times when she gives Nika reasons to trust her, that weren't there before in the same way.
It's mostly the pacing of things. Placing season 1 for the first time I actually felt drawn to her character and wondered why she was saying certain things.
I certainly think the change of perception in previous versions didn't make sense - Nika let's her grind on him, he had a chub at the lake, and those things aren't reasons to re-evaluated? Simply letting her grind would be starting the race, right there. It's way too over the top for Nika, who was just arguing why he doesn't want to hear about Nami's lady parts.
There is still the cuddling and nuzzling prior to that, but it feels comfortable, and shows Nika as comfortable with her. It also makes Noji's prohibitions/prejudice seem tyrannical, as there is nothing 'weird' going on, they just have a close bond. The race starting with a kiss, rather than grinding then a kiss, it feels like it takes a step down, because Nami was escalting it too quickly. Nika should be having a panic attack, especially as Nami's basically rocking one herself.
I know you're not feeling based on what's been cut, but give season 1 a playthough, it feels different to me than before, and not just the cuts. Also, some of the reworked Ch2 stuff really adds to her character - the first basketball game really shows her care, and reflects on the way she wants to help him with the first team, but Zara holds her back.
TLDR: I feel she's better balanced than before, more rounded as a character (not as a model thankfully)
I'm just not sure Nika would interact will Mila the same in our "alternate scenario" without Nami's presence on that first day. You mention Nika first met Mila with Trey, but he also abandoned them moments later without warning. i still contend - no Nami, no Nika joining the group on the sports field.
Mila would talk to him at ZPR and it’s safe to assume they’d hang out more together from there. I don’t see why it would be too different than the original game in this regard.
Both Jeff and Mila recognize that Nika is broken and sympathize because of that. Yet, if Nika interacted with them alone initially and gave them the cold shoulder treatment, at what point would Jeff and Mila just say, "F^^k this!" and stay away from him?
...and, yes, I know this is only a game and we are discussing hypotheticals. Nevertheless, this conversation is pushing me toward a greater appreciation of Nami, no matter what (as yet undeclared) bad shit she did in the past.
While Nami nudges him especially in the start Nika never needed any handholding from her when conducting himself with people (except when he blurts out some rude stuff). Things would *mostly* stay unchanged in his interactions.
By the end of season 1 Nika doesn’t need Nami as much as he did in the start and it’s been mostly because of his own efforts.
I assume this is gonna be a plot point in the future, Nami feeling like she’s not needed anymore. She already expresses dissatisfaction over him spending time with Bella instead of her. It’s related to her huge possessiveness and jealousy, she stares daggers at the other girls many times.
Mila would talk to him at ZPR and it’s safe to assume they’d hang out more together from there. I don’t see why it would be too different than the original game in this regard.
While Nami nudges him especially in the start Nika never needed any handholding from her when conducting himself with people (except when he blurts out some rude stuff). Things would *mostly* stay unchanged in his interactions.
By the end of season 1 Nika doesn’t need Nami as much as he did in the start and it’s been mostly because of his own efforts.
I assume this is gonna be a plot point in the future, Nami feeling like she’s not needed anymore. She already expresses dissatisfaction over him spending time with Bella instead of her. It’s related to her huge possessiveness and jealousy, she stares daggers at the other girls many times.
Oh absolutely, Nami was jelous to Summer and i´m pretty sure she will be jelous again when Nika and Bella (for example) start a serious relationship.
In the dark path Nami probably would try to hurt the girls Nika is dating but in this new SG i think she will try to manipulate a little the environment and maybe even try to become Nika how he was before? Like trying to take back his lonely behaviour,a little. I don´t know, Nami loves Nika and cares about him so much but when her inner real behaviour appear... Who knows what can happen.
Could be but i think she is referring to an ex or something, she doesn´t know Nika enough, she could be attracted to him if she finds him cute or interesting but those things she said have some past, i think she had a past with a guy in other social class and her family forced her to leave him, maybe that´s why she could be attracted to Nika.
She was simply commenting on the book and expressing her thoughts I think. We don’t have any proof for this theory. Coincidentally it was about adding some foreshadowing for their future relationship, most likely.
I certainly hope it’s not the case! Don’t wanna hear Sasha talk about some ex.
But I’d listen to her *up to a point*. She’s still my girl, you know.
in this new SG i think she will try to manipulate a little the environment and maybe even try to become Nika how he was before? Like trying to take back his lonely behaviour,a little.
She might try to ruin his standing with the girls and isolate him so that she can have him all to herself. It would be extremely immoral but she might cross that line for him. She’d be unforgivable for sabotaging Nika’s happiness in my eyes if she went that far and succeeded in ruining his life.
Oh absolutely, Nami was jelous to Summer and i´m pretty sure she will be jelous again when Nika and Bella (for example) start a serious relationship.
In the dark path Nami probably would try to hurt the girls Nika is dating but in this new SG i think she will try to manipulate a little the environment and maybe even try to become Nika how he was before? Like trying to take back his lonely behaviour,a little. I don´t know, Nami loves Nika and cares about him so much but when her inner real behaviour appear... Who knows what can happen.
It's an interesting thing about Nami. We think of healing and growth of Nika's character in this game, but I suspect the same applies to Nami as well.
We know she did the 'dirty' on Nika in the past. We don't know exactly what that was yet, but Nika tells her he doesn't want her to revert to the (bad) person she once was, and betray his trust again.
All through Season 1, it seems Nami is winning that battle and she hasn't reverted to the way she apparently used to be. She supports Nika, abet hesitantly on the Bella path, and does shoot daggers at female rivals, but she hasn't actively sabotaged anything yet. What will she do in the future, though?
This actually brings me to an example of the limitation/weakness with this type of player choice-driven AVN...
Fair enough. I completely disagree with you on all points but I respect your perspective.
I can't play this release. Not without heavy mods. The basis of my fondness for SG is precisely Nami and the MC's relationship. And that was utterly gutted in this version. I don't want this awful version to be my canon going into S2. So I'll stick with the Beta with all scenes restored.
