[Suggestion] Adult Patreon

[Belle]

In the US you do not need to worry about VAT.

If you're going to have EU customers or creators, then yes, you need to worry about VAT. Specifically, EU creators with EU backers. Patreon does for that exact reason.

 

[DarthSeduction]

First create a payment provider thats fine with beastiality/rape/loli so that your site can actually function.

You make a good point, but I do caution the "loli" part, as many countries have actually outlawed such content. I personally think it's no different from any other fantasy, but the law is on the payment provider's side.

 

[DarthSeduction]

not exactly... Payoneer is another way to get paid by Patreon which even offers you a free prepaid CC to use with the account and the payout fees are lower when extracting to your bank account (compared to paypal)

and to stay on topic: payment provider like ccbill or others of the mayor porn industry might be an alternative to paypal

I was on Reddit earlier and an adult site dev mentioned that ccbill has a similar set of rules to Paypal. Its not the adult content itself, but the taboos that they don't like. We'd likely need to resort to Crypto or something to really get away with this, unless someone decides to create a trustworthy and uncensored version of Paypal

 

[PinkysBrain]

If you're going to have EU customers or creators, then yes, you need to worry about VAT. Specifically, EU creators with EU backers. Patreon does for that exact reason.

Not just EU, Japan too and probably more countries by now. Soon everyone will be trying to use VAT as an ill fitting import tax on digital services and using the threat of future tax treaties to pressure people into complying. Tax treaties which don't currently exist and will probably not allow retroactive punishment any way, but who wants to take that risk?

It's a mess, in globalization only the big boys can play.

 

[pystudios]

I have a website and looking for web developers, artists, moderators, game developers tired of Patreon's ban. I have 1 TB of traffic a month to start with but with using file hosting like Mega, Zippy, etc... it should be able to take on a decent startup.

 

[SLH]

I wouldn't allow loli/shota content if I ran the site.. incest/bestiality/monster/teenagers can skirt by most laws but NOT loli.

Depends on where you live. The United States has struck down loli-related laws that don't criminalize obscene material, meaning loli is legally in the same category as any other fringe sexual content such as scat, rape, bestiality, necro, etc.

 

[gamersglory]

Depends on where you live. The United States has struck down loli-related laws that don't criminalize obscene material, meaning loli is legally in the same category as any other fringe sexual content such as scat, rape, bestiality, necro, etc.

Hate to burst your bubble but Loli is charged in the US depending on the state as Possession of **********. scat, rape, bestiality, necro on a Fiction based game could be defended as art if so desired

 

[gamersglory]

My main thing on the site I want to build is I would only go for compliance at first to US, Canada, EU and the UK. Japanese laws are a whole other thing but would make sense, in the long run, to add Japan later. Also, you need the legal protection of incorporation or a Limited Liability Company before you make one move as this area is a minefield.

 

[muttdoggy]

@gamersglory is correct. People have been put in prison in various states in the USA for things ranging from drawn art to 3dcg. It doesn't even have to be a law against it specifically since there are various laws on the books in several states that are so broadly defined that it does apply to it. You could face charges under obscenity laws, for example. Let me cite 2 cases to help you understand my point- an Iowa man was put in prison for 6 months because he downloaded Japanese lolicon manga. Another man in Missouri was imprisoned for 3 years for having incest comics with loli artwork on his computer. None of these are 3d.. they are both drawn content. I could quote more. And it's only about DRAWN content.
But with any 3d depiction, it gets into really, really dangerous territory. All they have to do is say "the model is based on this real life girl" that the artist either knows, has googled, or is aware of like a movie star. Boom! He's in prison for distributing child pornography. Don't fool yourselves. I know lawyers and they can be masters at connecting certain ideas and making them stick to the judge and jury.
It's best to play it safe and keep the content 18+. That way, there is no fear of prosecution by either the artists or the fans who download it.

 

[gamersglory]

In some cases, you don't have to live in the US. Say the site that your content is hosted on is hosted by Go daddy who has there servers in the US you could get charged in the US for your content and if it's a ********** charge they will get you extradited

 

[Paitryn]

Hate to burst your bubble but Loli is charged in the US depending on the state as Possession of **********. scat, rape, bestiality, necro on a Fiction based game could be defended as art if so desired

It's a little more tricky than that. Actual child nudity is protected accross the board as long as it isnt lewd. Loli is mostly protected as long as it doesn't depict actual children (simpsons porn is, but 3dcg isn't) as this is the best way to legally enforce without breaking amendment rights. Lewdness of children is seen as a form of intent.

This is why R34 cartoon porn gets by so easily. There's no why to percieve it as the real thing and even though its lewd and intends sexual gratification, its style isn't depicting actual children.

 

[gamersglory]

It's a little more tricky than that. Actual child nudity is protected across the board as long as it isn't lewd. Loli is mostly protected as long as it doesn't depict actual children (Simpsons porn is, but 3dcg isn't) as this is the best way to legally enforce without breaking amendment rights. Lewdness of children is seen as a form of intent.

This is why R34 cartoon porn gets by so easily. There's no way to perceive it as the real thing and even though its lewd and intends sexual gratification, its style isn't depicting actual children.

This is where you would encounter problems still is in a case like this it would still be up to the jury and If they look at it as the standard for cp-laws is the

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[Paitryn]

This is where you would encounter problems still is in a case like this it would still be up to the jury and If they look at it as the standard for cp-laws is the

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Which is why most cases of lolicon convictions are of 3d images. Anime characters are not seen as part of the community standard.

The big thing in the US is that you do not want the media getting their hands on anything controversial. Its not our courts you have to worry about, but the media's desire for ratings. They will make the public crucify you if what they tell them gets the ratings.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Which is why most cases of lolicon convictions are of 3d images. Anime characters are not seen as part of the community standard.

The big thing in the US is that you do not want the media getting their hands on anything controversial. Its not our courts you have to worry about, but the media's desire for ratings. They will make the public crucify you if what they tell them gets the ratings.

So true. Kinda like how they caused the Tide Pod controversy. They latch onto controversy and ride it like a bull, even if they have to exaggerate it.