Steam lifts its ban on adult games!

Do you see this as a positive change to the Steam platform.


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I think at this point it should be obvious that Valve was full of shit when they said they would not be the "taste police".

They started banning games that might have (if you really squinted hard enough) supposedly contained minors or those that appeared to be. But as time passed, they got bolder and bolder. The most recent victim of Valve's censorship is "Niplheim’s Hunter Branded Azel". It was supposed to release near the beginning of the month. But Valve had still not gotten back to the the developer despite their messages. It got so bad that the dev at one point changed the release date to sometime in 2022 before changing it back to a sooner date.

Now the dev has finally heard back. Valve has told them to censor the game in order to get onto steam. In particular the Pink haired character is considered a no-go according to Valve. Now the game that was being published on Steam is ALREADY censored, it's a non-adult version without any sex scenes (free dlc would add the adult content back in). At most there's some underwear shown. That character is not a loli in the least. She's just a bit petite and the game in no way implies that she's a minor. She looks no younger than the main female character, Put in perspective, Valve is demanding a dev censor an adult character in a non-adult game. This game was released no problem uncensored on Fakku's store.

Hell, even family friendly games are being caught up in this. Recently Koei Tecmo released the Atelier Arland Delux pack on steam. But for a short while before release, Valve removed the store page. You want to know what platform it didn't have a problem on (even if temporary)? The Playstation 4. This game that required no censorship on playstation, what with how censorship happy they are, and yet Valve removed the store page on steam. The dev said that it was waiting for a rating, but Steam has never required an ESRB or PEGI rating. I'm done giving them the benefit of the doubt, my theory is that they (likely the rogue employees, but at this point the whole company could be infected by now) removed it thinking that it would violate their rules. After all, there's a young girl on the cover. But the game in fact did not violate any rules, not even if you squint really really hard and wish with all your might that it did. Said employees then likely had to reverse the removal, and because Koei Tecmo isn't a small publisher like Top Hat Studios or some other indie dev, there was more pressure to not be the taste police.

Initially I thought that Steam allowing content was a good thing, I still hold believe that an open platform is better than a walled garden. Maybe the change in policy was meant to stall the hostile takeover of Steam. But without any actual action on Gabe's part, this is only going to get worse and worse. Personally, since the change steam has become even worse from a censorship standpoint. IMO, I may actually prefer how it was done before, where pretty much anything was allowed on steam as long as it wasn't the adult version, so most games got on steam and then got a patch from elsewhere. As it currently is, I'm seeing many devs already going back to that method and even that doesn't seem enough. Buying Campo Santos was a massive mistake.

Edit: It just got worse. Steam has banned "My Bullied Bride". Honestly at this point I think the only kind of games that might be safe are one such as "Oppaidius Summer Trouble" where the artstyle gives absolutely no margin of error. Then again, I would not be surprised if that too gets labeled "child exploitation". It's such a good excuse that you'd think would stop working sooner or later and for many it does, but there's still many people that hear those words and assume that they 100% accurately describe the situation. They don't realize that by giving SJWs this excuse, they are opening themselves up to losing their favorite games to the same witch hunt like tactics. If a game they play were banned tomorrow for that reason, would they change their opinion? Would they admit to playing what Valve considered worthy of a ban? Or would they then get angry at the thought that valve was indeed acting as the taste police?
 

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EDIT: Quoting @Winterfire 's post, right below this one: ''adult games are blocked if your account is not aged 18 or more.'' << I didn't know this, makes my whole post a pointless outrage, if you still wanna read it go on *shrugs*
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I know these things i'll mention is a lil bit off-topic so feel free to say 'Fuck you, i don't care this shit!' I just want to see your opinions and feelings on this subject, that's all.

As far as i know minimum age of having a steam account is 13. So any *13 year old 'child' can reach all adult games and **content in steam right? Do you people think legally and/or ethically this is done in a right way?

Currently steam IS gaming sector itself, statistics shows this. Dat dudes have some serious power and can even bend some minor rules when laws start talking about valve/steam, their company's rules or most of interactions with their customers.

I mean, according to dumbness level of their average teen individuals some of the countries should even bumb up their standard 'min. 18 years old' restriction for many things because of their cultural&educational fails. You know this is true; while reality itself shows us this in other corner..... am i missing something about steam's control over adult content or valve is basically saying ''Naah, great power comes with great irresponsibility, we can sell anything (including porn games with wtf content) to anyone as soon as they are able to play games and interact with other people on the computer their mommies and daddies bought for them. Power, money and sectoral dominance; THAT is what matters....fuck laws, ethics and reality.''

In the end, when i think about these things day ends up as another fuck you steam day :/

* or anyone claims being 13 but let's not get in there, you can do that in almost anywhere on the .net
**As members of F95 society we all know porn content can have a wide and wild range in +18 games
 

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I did not read the whole thing but adult games are blocked if your account is not aged 18 or more.
 
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I found a resurrection potion! Oops, dropped it in here :0

I know these things i'll mention is a lil bit off-topic so feel free to say 'Fuck you, i don't care this shit!' I just want to see your opinions and feelings on this subject, that's all.

As far as i know minimum age of having a steam account is 13. So any *13 year old 'child' can reach all adult games and **content in steam right? Do you people think legally and/or ethically this is done in a right way?

Currently steam IS gaming sector itself, statistics shows this. Dat dudes have some serious power and can even bend some minor rules when laws start talking about valve/steam, their company's rules or most of interactions with their customers.

I mean, according to dumbness level of their average teen individuals some of the countries should even bumb up their standard 'min. 18 years old' restriction for many things because of their cultural&educational fails. You know this is true; while reality itself shows us this in other corner..... am i missing something about steam's control over adult content or valve is basically saying ''Naah, great power comes with great irresponsibility, we can sell anything (including porn games with wtf content) to anyone as soon as they are able to play games and interact with other people on the computer their mommies and daddies bought for them. Power, money and sectoral dominance; THAT is what matters....fuck laws, ethics and reality.''

In the end, when i think about these things day ends up as another fuck you steam day :/

* or anyone claims being 13 but let's not get in there, you can do that in almost anywhere on the .net
**As members of F95 society we all know porn content can have a wide and wild range in +18 games
Steam would technically be in the clear, at least in the U.S. because you have to state your age in order to see certain products, sort of like how you have to state your age to visit many porn sites and those are legally in the clear by merely asking if you are 18. You can lie of course about your age, but that puts whatever liability onto the user.

I disagree with raising the age 18 restrictions to a higher age because that won't really solving the issue. Rather, if the age were moved up in age, then so would the problem. The problem has always been parents refusing to take responsibility for their own children and expecting everybody else to parent their children for them. That's been a problem for years where a parent buys their kid the latest Rated M game despite the warnings, despite needing to present photo I.D. to even buy the game, get home and freak out over the content. Time and time again, these companies do provide tools to parents that actually want to parent, and that includes steam as well. But there's catering to those kind of proactive parents, and then there's catering to the parents that just don't care until they see their kid playing something they don't like.

Not everybody matures at the same age either, just as some parents are okay with their kids playing the latest COD or other game, some parents know that porn itself isn't the problem. I'm not suggesting that Steam's filters should be loosened or turned off by default, but if you as a parent are afraid of your child getting onto steam, turning the adult filters off and therefore seeing porn, and not even necessarily being able to buy it, but assuming they buy one of the many adult games on steam, then chances are they are too young to be on a computer unsupervised, and too young to be given access to your payment. If it is just viewing the store pages (and the account isn't set up to keep paypal, cc or whatever), then they shouldn't be on the computer without supervision. Chances are, if they are crafty enough to go into settings and turn off the adult filters, and know what to look for, then they are not likely to be harmed by what is on the store page, and they probably have already found that sort of thing on google if they haven't already found an actual porn site. If somebody is properly parenting their child this will not destroy them. Granted I'm more talking mid-late teens here, but again, you have to be 13 to sign up for steam in the first place, most teens see porn long before they are 18.

"am i missing something about steam's control over adult content or valve..."

Yeah, you missed a lot. Because steam has said nothing of the sort. Rather than becoming the sort of wild west you envisioned, they are in ways more censor happy than ever before. No one knows for sure, but Valve has been banning games left and right. Here's a list of just a few that have been banned, several of which were eve all-ages of the games.

Somebody or some people at Valve have been trying to go against the PR statement of "we'll only ban things that are illegal or straight up trolling" by coming up with as many excuses for why a ban is justified. Recently they also banned a game called Rape Day, a game you would probably not want on steam going by your comment, but rather than ban it because it was against their rules, they banned it because it posed "unknown costs and risks" which people that have been following along recognized as a new excuse that they can trot out whenever since anything can pose an unknown cost or risk.

It's hard to reconcile the image of the steam that is banning games left and right (even all-ages games) that would have been allowed long before adult games were even considered a possibility on steam with the image you seemingly have built up of them. They're not going around handing out porn to kids, they don't even seemingly trust adults with SFW games.
 

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I did not read the whole thing but adult games are blocked if your account is not aged 18 or more.
Ohh, i didn't know that. That explains many things, kinda makes my whole post pointless.
Valve is fine selling 18+ Games with Violence since forever, so whats the difference?
There are lots of games contains violence and right now even people living under a rock is aware of it. Even a game is not tagged with 'violence' / 'bad language' etc. there is a high chance of seeing some in it...but a parent may not know or expect steam to sell adult games, if they are not gamers. Also all big worldwide game clients with a store sell such stuff; but then steam made a lead on adult content. As far as i know there is no other big client doing this, i think we can say smaller stores like itch.io are being exceptions...but the thing is most likely that big clients i am talking about; they will have to do the same thing for keeping the pace after steam's move, sooner or later.

@IchigoRadiance :
''I disagree with raising the age 18 restrictions to a higher age because that won't really solving the issue''
I think i digressed the subject over there. That was not about steam, i was just talking about immaturity, saying for some individuals even being 18 is a far point from being an adult. Trying to tell in some countries/corners of countries culture, school education and enlightment from parents are not being enough to prepare people as adults even they become 18. They are still being open for 'suggestions' and 'perversity' (i used these 2 terms in many meanings)

"am i missing something about steam's control over adult content or valve..."
Yeees, looks like i WAS missing lots of things, thanks to @Winterfire now i know they made that smart move. (It is kinda a facepalm moment for me, how i couldn't guess that) They made it totaly legal by blocking adult content for people claiming being under 18. Now all they are missing is a seperate section for games with lots of nudity/gore/ponographic material (or games like drug company simulators) etc. If they can also add such a thing they are all saints lol
 

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Now all they are missing is a seperate section for games with lots of nudity/gore/ponographic material (or games like drug company simulators) etc. If they can also add such a thing they are all saints lol
well i guess you don't have steam (or haven't gone looking for the porn games), because all of the games that parents would want to be in an 'adult' section are in fact blocked unless you manually go in and enable them to be in your store. after that there is a mature disclaimer that now says roughly what sort of objectionable content is in the game (pretty much different kinds of porn), and has tags so that you can filter out (or look specifically) for broad level of porn (sexual content, nudity, etc.). basically the digital equivalent to a 'backroom' for all this stuff.
 

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I got steam, just not even looking at adult products, keeping my money for big deals on AAA titles or really quality games. I was seeing adult games of steam when i was looking steam's adult games from the browser, without logging in.
 

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I got steam, just not even looking at adult products, keeping my money for big deals on AAA titles or really quality games. I was seeing adult games of steam when i was looking steam's adult games from the browser, without logging in.
never done that, but if you are logged in you don't see any porn games since they made the change. seems like a bug in the system that you can see them when not logged in.
 

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You cannot access their page when not logged in... In theory.
Some links let you access the page even when you are not logged in, for instance a direct link to the discussion threads of said game.
 
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You cannot access their page when not logged in... In theory.
Some links let you access the page even when you are not logged in, for instance a direct link to the discussion threads of said game.
That was actually why i confused about the whole thing at the first place. Since i was able to see it without even signing in i thought anyone got steam can reach that content.
 
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They can through that hole, I found out during the Rape day thing.
The dev had linked his page, I could not access it because I was not logged in, so I googled the game instead and google linked me directly to a discussion in his page and that let me in.
 
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I'm curious to see where the Steam team draws the line on adult content. I suspect you'd be more likely to get a game through if it's content was not focused on the more controversial kinks.

I haven't tried making my own game yet, still just playing around with modding but I'm seriously considering taking a stab at my own game. Would be interesting to see how successful an adult game that actually makes it onto Steam is compared with Patreon. I would imagine you'd make more money per patron on Patreon than you would per sale on Steam, but would probably get a lot more sales on Steam than you do Patrons on Patreon so I'd be curious to see how the split for a comparable game would play out.
 

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I'm curious to see where the Steam team draws the line on adult content. I suspect you'd be more likely to get a game through if it's content was not focused on the more controversial kinks.
it really depends on the backlash they think they will get (or are getting). they have backed off of what they have said earlier about not being the taste police, well before the rape day thing. basically if it is porn and it doesn't have much traction then you should be fine. based on porn games moving from patreon to steam you should make a lot more money from steam, though you will have a steadier (so long as patreon doesn't boot you) source of income from patreon. i guess it comes down to how good you can get your game, how much work you can afford to do for free, and how well you can budget your own money. it sounds like steam is the way to go as all you have to do is budget your money to be able to afford to make your game first before trying to sell it, and budget your money after you get a big pay day so you don't spend it too fast, all the while having the skills to make a half way decent game. the reality is that these skills are much more rare than people realize, and fewer yet are the people willing to admit they lack these skills.
 

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It's totally an unhealthy move for independent game developers, but a good move for consumers. adult game industry is a billions of dollar worth one, but there has been a low supply for it, and thus people tend to pay more for small developers. now with this ban lift, big players will approach the market making people to have high expectation of their games. since independent developers can't compete with the big players, they will most likely not survive or at least won't earn good as used to be.
 

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Voted No.

Folks already started to change their created content to fit the "New" Patreon rules, and i`m not sure if the steam rules for adult content are more or less relaxed compared to Patreon, but folks will change it (more) to have their content on Steam.
 

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I'm curious to see where the Steam team draws the line on adult content. I suspect you'd be more likely to get a game through if it's content was not focused on the more controversial kinks.
I don't think fetishes are a problem unless its straight up Raping. Games like Snow Daze are on Steam and its basically about Mind Controlling your whole Family into your Harem and then impregnating them all.

The Games they ban are mostly some random Hentai Games with some Girls that look too young for whoever is reviewing it.
 
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I don't think fetishes are a problem unless its straight up Raping. Games like Snow Daze are on Steam and its basically about Mind Controlling your whole Family into your Harem and then impregnating them all.

The Games they ban are mostly some random Hentai Games with some Girls that look too young for whoever is reviewing it.
I wouldn't even go that far, many of the games that they have banned have had nothing close to too young and games that would have also been banned if there was any consistency. Just recently they banned some DLC for the game Nilpheim's Hunter. If you've been following what Steam has been doing, you'll likely remember that just a few months ago Valve demanded that the developer outright remove an important character from the game (even from the all-ages version) because she looked too young. People called them out on it, then they allowed the game on uncensored saying that it was just a misunderstanding. In other words, they let the game on the store with said character after supposedly clearing up a misunderstanding. They also let the R18 DLC on steam that featured adult content with said character. But when more dlc came out, nope, that's where they draw the line. Steam has absolutely no consistency other than that if your game is anime, and appeals to straight males, then it's practically a coin toss. But even if your game makes it on the store, it's not guaranteed that it won't be banned later, even several months later. Which has also happened on more than one occasion, even recently. And good luck if there are any kinks in it, after the recent Rape Day controversy, they banned several rpg games that were on there for having a rape scene. But it's also not as if being safe for work and family friendly is enough either, because they've also banned all-ages games.

The whole appearance of the character looking too young was debunked very early on, that excuse was given on most of the earlier banned titles including ones where the adult content could no way be construed as involving young characters. Then again, we could be dealing with people like this game's journalist that thinks characters like Sorceress from Dragon's Crown appeal to lolicon fantasies (Source: ). That still doesn't explain why they are willing to ban games that would have been allowed just 2 years ago on steam (and hell, even MoeNovel was unable to get a title through steam's censors even though they already butchered the release just as they did other titles.) while simultaneously selling games like A Hand in the Darkness which states that it features explicit sex scenss between underaged characters. Or why that is allowed and titles such as Cross Love aren't. What does explain it though is that the banned games all appealed to straight males, while A Hand in the Darkness is strictly a yaoi title. This also explains why Maidens of Michael was never allowed back on, because even though yuri titles appeal to women including lesbians, they also appeal to straight men as well.
 
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