Ren'Py ¿prepubescent? ¿tween?

iOtero

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Hi all, as I started working with DAZ Studio and reading the rules of this forum, I have come across two terms I have never heard before: "prepubescent" and "tween", which I don't even know if they mean the same thing. So I would appreciate it if someone could explain it to me in more detail.

(Para los que hablamos la lengua de Cervantes, al final está la misma cuestión en español)

I ask this because I don't want to have problems with Patreon or with the forum staff if I finally get to develop my game.

The question I am asking you all has already been asked by private conversation to two members of the forum staff, but I guess they must be very busy and have not answered me.

I am from Spain and, as a European, there are some American things that I neither understand nor share, here we are much more liberal in the sexual aspect than there from what I have been able to see.

For example, in a Spanish public beach it is very normal to see women in top less, nobody is scandalized and nobody, not even the police, is going to say anything to them.

Another example, in my country, incest is not a crime. For having incestuous relations, the police will neither fine you, nor put you in jail, nor take you before a judge.

In my own house, in summer, in the swimming pool, my wife, my sisters-in-law, my nieces, my friends and my nieces' friends, bathe and sunbathe in top less since they are little girls, for us it is something normal. And after the bath, at the time of the barbecue or dancing, nobody puts on more clothes, it would be silly....

Also with some close family members and some trusted friends, men and women bathe together completely naked, including my wife and me, of course. And I didn't say my daughters, because I don't have daughters, but if I did, they would also bathe naked with us.

Well, I have told you all this so that you can understand my surprise to see that on patreon and on this forum incest and scenes of juvenile nudity are persecuted.

And now I ask you the question that brought me here, would these two characters be "prepubescent" or not:

I don't plan to have these characters fuck anyone, that's not the point, but I did want to include them nude in some family scene, in the pool or bath, with some characters older than them, which is a normal thing for me, but may not be for others and I don't want to have problems when it comes to using them.

I have no idea how old they might be, I'm very bad at calculating that, I'm just based on my own memories, but their physical measurements are as follows:

The girl:

{"node": "04. Low Hip Circumference","measurement": "2.514084 ft"},
{"node": "02. Bust Circumference","measurement": "2.473605 ft"},
{"node": "03. Waist Circumference","measurement": "1.889041 ft"},
{"node": "01. Height","measurement": "4.827050 ft"}

The boy:

{"node": "04. Low Hip Circumference","measurement": "2 ft 5.6074 in"},
{"node": "02. Bust Circumference","measurement": "2 ft 3.9526 in"},
{"node": "03. Waist Circumference","measurement": "2 ft 2.2426 in"},
{"node": "01. Height","measurement": "4 ft 8.8803 in"}

Before I start creating scenes with these characters, I expect your help and opinions, because I don't want to have problems with Patreon or the forum staff.
I have deleted the images because they could violate the forum rules.

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Hola a todos, al empezar a trabajar con DAZ Studio y al leer las normas de este foro, he encontrado dos términos que no había oído nunca antes: "prepubescent" y "tween", que ni siquiera sé si significan lo mismo. Así que agradecería que alguien me lo explicara con más detalle.

Esto lo pregunto porque no quiero tener problemas con Patreon ni con el staff del foro si al final consigo desarrollar mi juego.

La pregunta que os hago a todos ya se la he hecho por conversación privada a dos miembros del staff del foro, pero supongo que deben estar muy ocupados y no me han contestado.

Yo soy de España y, como europeo, hay algunas cosas estadounidenses que ni entiendo ni comparto, aquí somos mucho más liberales en el aspecto sexual que allí por lo que he podido ver.

Por ejemplo, en una playa pública española es muy normal ver a las mujeres en top less, a nadie le escandaliza y nadie, ni la policía, les va a decir nada.

Otro ejemplo, en mi país, el incesto no es delito. Por tener relaciones incestuosas, la policía ni te va a multar, ni a encerrarte en la cárcel, ni te va a llevar ante un juez.

En mi propia casa, en verano, en la piscina, mi esposa, mis cañadas, mis sobrinas, mis amigas y las amigas de mis sobrinas, se bañan y toman el sol en top less desde niñas, para nosotros es algo normal. Y después del baño, a la hora de la barbacoa o de bailar, nadie se pone más ropa, sería de tontos...

También con algunos familiares cercanos y algunos amigos de confianza, los hombres y las mujeres nos bañamos juntos completamente desnudos, incluidos mi esposa y yo, por supuesto. Y no he dicho mis hijas, porque no tengo hijas, pero si las tuviera, también se bañarían desnudas con nosotros.

Bueno, todo esto lo he contado para que comprendáis mi extrañeza al ver que en patreon y en este foro se persiga el incesto y las escenas de desnudos juveniles.

Y ahora os hago la pregunta que me ha traído aquí. ¿Estos dos caracteres serían "prepubescentes" o no?:

No pienso hacer que estos caracteres follen con nadie, no se trata de eso, pero sí quería incluirlos desnudos en alguna escena familiar, en la piscina o el baño, con algunos personajes mayores que ellos, cosa que para mí es algo normal, pero es posible que para otros no y no quiero tener problemas a la hora de utilizarlos.

No tengo ni idea de qué edad pueden tener, soy muy malo para calcular eso, solo me baso en mis propios recuerdos, pero sus medidas físicas son las siguientes:

La chica:

{"node": "04. Low Hip Circumference","measurement": "2.514084 ft"},
{"node": "02. Bust Circumference","measurement": "2.473605 ft"},
{"node": "03. Waist Circumference","measurement": "1.889041 ft"},
{"node": "01. Height","measurement": "4.827050 ft"}

El chico:

{"node": "04. Low Hip Circumference","measurement": "2 ft 5.6074 in"},
{"node": "02. Bust Circumference","measurement": "2 ft 3.9526 in"},
{"node": "03. Waist Circumference","measurement": "2 ft 2.2426 in"},
{"node": "01. Height","measurement": "4 ft 8.8803 in"}


Antes de empezar a crear escenas con estos personajes, espero vuestra ayuda y vuestras opiniones, porque no quiero tener problemas con Patreon ni con el staff del foro.

He borrado las imágenes porque podían incumplir las normas del foro.
 
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moskis22

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No creo que se pueda decir que tu juego sea lolicon/shota solo por eso, si dichos personajes no participan de ninguna forma sexual, ademas por lo que tengo entendido la regla 7 se aplica solo en casos bastante claros
De todas formas ten en cuenta que solo soy un usuario asi que no me hagas mucho caso tampoco, que igual no tengo ni idea xD
 
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quarzo

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el problema es que si fundas patreon, lo haras en ingles para comodidad del publico, por lo tanto estas jugando con a las reglas internacionales, cura en sano y deja claro que todos son mayores de 18 años y tratarlos como tal, que cualquier parecido no es mas que una coincidencia
 
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Thank you for your post!

I am also European (Swedish) and I also find some American standards to be annoying.

I am currently writing a love story for a game I am making. The story is about the love between step siblings, a 14-year-old girl and a 15-year-old boy. I find it really hard to make models in DAZ that look like they actually are 14 or 15. But you really nailed that perfectly from what I can tell from your pictures!

Any chance you'd share those models with me, or point me in the right direction to make something similar myself?

Much appreciated!

/Z
 

iOtero

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In Daz there are enough tools to age and/or rejuvenate characters. These two characters come from two teen characters available on the net, I seem to remember that I downloaded them from this forum, and I applied a DAZ 3D Studio utility to them (search aging / growing shapes), adjusted the scaling of the different parts of the modified figures and then I had to retouch them manually because they were somewhat distorted. It's a long and complicated job that, fortunately, I haven't had to do again for a long time.

En Daz hay herramientas suficientes para envejecer y/o rejuvenecer caracteres. Esos dos caracteres proceden de dos caracteres teen disponibles en la red, creo recordar que me los bajé de este mismo foro, y les apliqué una utilidad de DAZ 3D Studio (buscar aging / growing shapes), ajusté el escalado de las distintas partes de las figuras modificadas y luego tuve que retocarlos manualmente porque salían algo distorsionados. Es un trabajo largo y complicado que, por suerte, hace mucho tiempo que no he tenido que volver a hacer.
 

DearLegend37

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Just to clarify, you are not going to be persecuted for incest on this forum, only on patreon.

Also, even if staff or patreon doens't allow it you can still make a game with those characters and scenes, but you would need to make a that people need to download in order to be able to see those scenes (like it's done on Come Inside and Ecchi Sensei for example)
 

iOtero

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Just to clarify, you are not going to be persecuted for incest on this forum, only on patreon.

Also, even if staff or patreon doens't allow it you can still make a game with those characters and scenes, but you would need to make a that people need to download in order to be able to see those scenes (like it's done on Come Inside and Ecchi Sensei for example)
Thanks for telling me, but it is an issue that is quite clear to me, you have to make double version of the game.
Without lewd patch you will not see neither incest nor young men and little girls, anywhere. Neither clothed nor naked.
 
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K.T.L.

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You don't have to create a second game. You create your game without all the content that various repressive regimes have decided their citizens are too immature to cope with then create a patch to add all that content back in again.

Or release the assets and let someone else create a patch, so your game is 'clean' and you have plausible deniability.