Not a serious title, but I do have a huge problem with the amount of incest in NTR-based games. My biggest gripe is that in a lot of these games there is no established lust between familial characters. This makes the "supposed" NTR non-existent because, if I don't want to fuck my sister or mom, why should I care who they are fucking? That's weird and makes no sense. It seems like a lot of devs try to shoehorn this shit into their games and I want to know why? Why are you doing this if you're not going to establish any kind of sexual relationship, be it one-sided or otherwise. All this shit does is dilute stronger stories with this weak ass bullshit which makes updates shittier. Do most people actually want this in their NTR games?
Official petition to remove incest from NTR games.
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- Jul 29, 2017
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..cuz it's more about the familiar betrayal....and then stop giving a shit about u.....than who they fuckin....
...at least that's how it is in jap porn and mangas.......most of the time......
...at least that's how it is in jap porn and mangas.......most of the time......
I get the "they stop giving a shit about you" thing, but again, in a lot of these types of games there's no real relationship development because, rightfully, the story should be about the couple's relationship. If I don't give a fuck about them why should I give a fuck that they don't care about me.. especially if my character is a grown ass adult. Even worse.
- Jul 29, 2017
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Yes and no. I would prefer it not be there to begin with but if it is going to be in there in needs to be written better.
In Asia, there is a concept of filial piety and some expectations for the members of the family unit.
Sure, in the west, there is much emphasis on individualism and making your own way in life, but parenting is generally a bit more involved in Asia. Although globalization changed these traditional values and the closeness of the extended family unit, there is still a very strong bond between parents and children. For example it wasn't until very recently that a son, usually the eldest, were expected to care for the parents by having them live with them in the best room of the house. These days, parents are pretty sensible and don't want to intrude on their son's newleywed life like the old days, but you could say the bond with one's parents is still as strong, if not stronger, than the spouse.
So basically, mom NTR originates from this kind of cultural sensibility from Japan. The mother is supposed to be a respected figure in one's life, but when she turns into a mind broken slut because of some NTR antagonist cock, it's a real fucked up situation. "Losing" a mother like that is indeed as bad, if not worse, than losing your spouse in Japan's culture. It's not like the west where one might think, 'hell, she is an adult, she can fuck whoever and slut it up.'
And just to be clear, for it to be NTR, the mom has to really fall into corruption and turn into a shadow of her former self. A mother just finding some dude who treats her well isn't mom NTR.
Sure, in the west, there is much emphasis on individualism and making your own way in life, but parenting is generally a bit more involved in Asia. Although globalization changed these traditional values and the closeness of the extended family unit, there is still a very strong bond between parents and children. For example it wasn't until very recently that a son, usually the eldest, were expected to care for the parents by having them live with them in the best room of the house. These days, parents are pretty sensible and don't want to intrude on their son's newleywed life like the old days, but you could say the bond with one's parents is still as strong, if not stronger, than the spouse.
So basically, mom NTR originates from this kind of cultural sensibility from Japan. The mother is supposed to be a respected figure in one's life, but when she turns into a mind broken slut because of some NTR antagonist cock, it's a real fucked up situation. "Losing" a mother like that is indeed as bad, if not worse, than losing your spouse in Japan's culture. It's not like the west where one might think, 'hell, she is an adult, she can fuck whoever and slut it up.'
And just to be clear, for it to be NTR, the mom has to really fall into corruption and turn into a shadow of her former self. A mother just finding some dude who treats her well isn't mom NTR.
I appreciate your well thought-out response, which would be valid, if the games I was speaking about weren't Western. There should be zero Japanese influence on these as they're stories about lily ass white women cheating on their lily ass white husbands / boyfriends.
*Edit, I kind of forgot about Japanese NTR games because I dislike most of them, but I see where desmosome was coming from with his explanation.
I know cuckoldry is the more known concept in the west, and western NTR tends to be just cuckoldry rebranded, but it's still gonna have some influences simply because the NTR genre originates from Japan. Most devs probably don't know what I wrote above and just kind of figure that MC losing his girl, his mom, sis etc, is just more humiliation and misery. That's honestly fine though and not that far off.
If you think in terms of cuckoldry, it seems silly that you could get "cucked" by your mother. If you think in terms of losing a bond due to NTR corruption, then it makes more sense. After all, even in the west, you wouldn't want to see your mother losing all morals and turning into a despicable cock junkie who is cheating on your father and neglecting all duties as a mother, right? You would feel like you lost your connection to your mother, right? And that would be a terrible thing, especially if you looked up to her and had a close bond before.
so basically you want MORE incest in ntr games, not less.
this is a writing quality issue, not a genre issue. sadly neither is something we can affect. the dev will storytell at the level his storytelling is, and mix genres in whatever way it comes out when he bang his head into a brick wall until ideas rattle out from his bleeding ears.
this is a writing quality issue, not a genre issue. sadly neither is something we can affect. the dev will storytell at the level his storytelling is, and mix genres in whatever way it comes out when he bang his head into a brick wall until ideas rattle out from his bleeding ears.
- Jul 30, 2017
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If the developer of said incest game is on patreon, then technically he needs to make a non-incest version as his primary release, then the incest is added via a patch. If all developers follow this rule, then technically the OP gets what he wants.
There quite a few games that do not adhere to this rule. Also, I'm including step- nonsense as incest in this case because we all know what it's actually supposed to be.
What you said makes some sense and I have definitely seen all of this in practice in Japanese NTR games, however, when it comes to Eastern games which center around NTR but incest isn't the main focus, it's nowhere near a 1:1 comparison:
This goes back to a writing issue, this "close bond" of which you speak doesn't exist and in more cases than not, there isn't even a father (probably because, to these weirdos, your parents having a sexual relationship is cucking you).
Your mom having an affair with someone doesn't mean she's lost all of her morals, just that one (unless we're talking about The Copycat). At least the MC would have no reason to think that's what would happen.
Unless the character still lives with his parents / mom or is in college, I'm not sure "neglecting all duties as a mother" is applicable.
You take all that away and you're basically just left with "You would feel like you lost your connection to your mother." Pretty underwhelming.
- Jun 16, 2018
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When it comes to male protagonist long-form works, 'cest draws in larger crowds than ntr.
You're not wrong, but if you're trying to be broader, one would think that linking things that make sense together would, you know, make sense. NTR / Swinging / Femdom, these things make some sense together. NTR and incest don't.
okay. but you said the problem is family doesn't act like family? so you'd want them to act more like family, not less? so more incestuous, not less?
- Nov 25, 2017
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Mate that's just your preference, everything can be mixed, even stuff like harem and NTR can be mixed in the proper setting such as games that are about protecting your harem from whatever, but then people based on preferences will mix their interpretation and say that "if a game has NTR tag it can't have the harem tag!", but in the end said game could end up being in a perfect harem situation or a perfect NTR situation.
If the point of the critic is that just because a game has a mother or sister shouldn't mean to get the incest tag I can agree, it's necessary that said characters have some sexual attraction/lust for each other. But other than that I can only recommend you to blacklist NTR and seach for incest games since that will probably give you the optimal games to your liking.
Trying to take out tags from games for a subjective reason is pointless and will make life harder for people to find what they want, for example I'm the freaking weirdo that searches games that have both harem and NTR, since I want to win in a game but have some risks and consequences. If that harem purist sect that demands to take the harem tag out of any game that has the NTR tag was heard I would have a lot more difficulty trying to find what i want, same will happen with those that seek NTR+incest.
Because that’s how you get new family members. Why are you pretending to not give a shit who your mom is fucking when you’re the one who brought up your sister? You inbred or something?
lol. Name checks out.
I don't bring up my sister, I brought up sister and mother being the familial relationships included in a lot NTR games. I don't care who the MC's sister is fucking either.
Sigh, that was an observation, not a complaint. Excellent writing and world-building isn't going to make me want to see incest in NTR games.