Ren'Py - Love & Sex Second Base [v24.4.0b] [Andrealphus]

Deepest ero game with lots of characters, routes and events. A bit chuggy and slow but otherwise fantastic. A beast to get through all the content, which is both good and bad. But most other games feel too light on content so it's kinda wierd to complain ;P

I have mixed feelings about this game: on the one hand, as others have pointed out, characters do are fleshed out nicely as updates go by, but on the other I don't appreciate much that some characters seems to be exclusive (you cannot proceed in the story of one if you chose the other). While conceding that this plays in favor of realism, I reckon that this is still a harem game, so I think that this is not really necessary, and this is the main "flaw" that I see in the game. Add that, in case you wanna start over to see the content that you've missed, you need to go through a lot of grinding again (which I absolutely don't mind in the first playthrough). I do however appreciate the art and the effort put by the dev over the years, so I think that this 3.5 rounded up to 4 sums up my rating pretty well.

Tbh. One of the better games. Not the best but much you can do. I love it. You can have different harems and also the fact that many lines are voiced is at least for the games i played very uniqe. I love playing it.

Good game with quality but play needs too much grinding to reach for every single scene, not animated. Original characters are awesome but some patreon characters are just too absurd sometimes and yet, algorism of the whole stroy of character just too complex so you should find wiki or walkthrogh if you want to see whole scene without meaningless repeating. Just consider that. You need whole lot of time for fapping.

Played this game quite a bit over the years; usually starting over from scratch every so often considering that every six months or so saves seem incompatible with prior versions. First run through the game was really good, and I didn't mind the tedium of grinding or the several clicks it takes just to get out of my room to go outside; but after a few playthroughs it's a slog.

Story is okay, and some of the characters have quite a lot of depth. Some in personality, but mostly in how they develop over the story and how the MC can impact them. While some of these paths have been shallow as a puddle for years now you probably won't care unless you are focusing just on that one character only, which given the varied cast isn't likely first playthrough.

Though there are a lot of complains on tedium. bugs and lack of convenience features, the biggest issue for me was what was the strongest issue for the first couple years. I don't know why but newer releases seem to have art that is worse than the start, some of the standing sprites/pictures also are different in quality as well. LoSeb is no stranger for revising/changing art or even full character appearances, but I get the feeling that the art I'm seeing in later stages of the game is more definite than the changed art from literal years ago.

That said, and I know it feels like a lot of this is just complaining, there is a lot of content here, and if you're new to this you likely can sink some hours into it. Overall, a decent game.

V:22.7.0
A lot of the complaints about this game are about how grindy it is, and if you're going for an authentic 100% completion then yeah sure it'll probably take you a long time - as in several days to a week's worth of dedicated play. If you're not trying to do everything with every girl in one clean sweep then it's a lot more managable. Alternatively, use the wiki and make plenty of saves, because this game does not protect you from fucking yourself over - much like real life. If you hate grinding, there are cheats to bypass most of it so even that's a none-issue. I would recommend at the start adding +20 submission and +10 love to most of the characters since that gives you more options to increase that stat, taking out a good chunk of the early grind.

There are also mutually-exclusive routes like Gamer Bree and Maid Bree which require 2 different playthroughs if you want to see both - get your saves going!

That said, this game is fairly rare in that it has a large cast of romancable NPCs who are *all* quite unique both in looks and personality (not copy/pasted bimbos). There are certain characters - like Kylie and her sister Alexis who are... shall we say interesting in ways which you might want to avoid if you don't have certain kinks or a reasonable understanding of the consequences of certain choices - but this (along with the mostly decent voice acting) only enhances the immersion of seeing them as people rather than images on a screen. These characters aren't mindless sextoys; they are semi-realistic depictions of people that you can seduce or repulse depending on your actions. I'm guessing if you're looking for a porn game, you want something more than a quick fap over a character you feel no connection to, L&S:SB delivers that in spades with a massive amount of regularly-updated content.

If there's one thing I would suggest to improve, it would be for the dev to add the option in the mission log for a *spoilers* button to give more detailed information and warnings about potential consequences/suggested route-timings so people don't have to rely on third-party resources and building up a compendium of knowledge if they just wanna build their harem in peace, without ruining things for people who like authentic progression and consequences. It would also be nice if there were more actions which increased stats by more than one so it cuts out much of the grind - like maybe make gifts more impactful? Well, that and more optional fetishes/content but then that's really up to the dev to decide what they want to make.

Wasn't sure I wanted to try it after reading the reviews but so many of those giving 5* ask to at least try so... (better be careful what you wish for).

Going to keep it short as this game already wasted more of my time than it deserves. So:
- Awful grinding. You will be mostly doing the same things over and over. And it has all the pointless hunger/energy/waste_your_time management.
- Awful UI. Painful to go anywhere. Even worst to work out where there might be something to do.
- Awful voice overs. But at least you can mute it.
- Awful time mechanics. Certain events are date bound or require you to wait for a time. Added to the above it really make the bad worse.
- Awful sex. Really poor after so much work.
- Cute girls. Some of the girls can be pretty cute. With so many I suppose it was bound to be though.

In summary, a huge waste of time with little reward.

+ Good Art
+ Good Characters

Decent setting/plot

- Grindy Hell

- Convoluted Mechanics and Events

- Random Events firing that don't fit the current narrative
EX: One girl accepts creampies then suddenly doesn't in a different event
A certain soon to be married woman starts sending flirty texts to Mike despite the not having an interest in cheating unless you do the event chain. This would be fine if it happened after that event.

v22.6.0a

Warning Huge Ridiculous Grindfest.

I gave this game a shot initially because I was intrigued by touted diversity and breadth of the characters. After 100+ hours (probably much more I don’t track playtime) this game while having some good bits has some MASSIVE problems… the in game ”quest” guide is unclear, misleading, or just useless and directs you to dead ends or situations that are almost impossible catch …

I recognize that people love for their “choices to have impact” but when the only impact is for you to be locked out of content …it’s an exercise in masochism.

Miniami, Lavish, Samantha, and Lexi chains all get borked by unknown switches that get flipped by … ???. Who knows??? events get put on pause by X character in X stage but then that character is nowhere to be found and you try and track them down and they respond “I think I’m lost” … while funny it’s distinctively unhelpful.

Perfect example … you speak with Lexi and she tells you how her trailer burnt down … so immediately you go talk with the other girls in your home harem and get their ok for Lexi to move in … get to the stage of the quest where it says invite Lexi to stay and you go talk to her but she won’t accept the invitation.

So much going in circles and running into invisible quest conditions(bugs)

save yourself … avoid this title unless you enjoy walls of text and being locked out of content because you didn’t grind in exactly the right method as dictated by the encyclopedia of the wiki.

Alright, I've played this game for a while and ready to write my review. Let's first go with the cons.

Cons:
The grinds - Especially money. Money relates with a lot of events you can do in this game. Such as a seasonal event(car-summer), or story event(Spoiler character), or some trigger to open some side events which has the hottest cgs in the whole game. The grind gets better later, but it feels really awful when you miss or fail an event just because you didn't had enough money. That's life, huh? But it can feel too cruel. I wonder if there can be a bank that you can get a loan, and pay it every week or month.
Seasonal events - Charming, but it gets really annoying when you can't progress with some of your favorite characters. Such as, going to the water park date. You gotta wait a year to progress more with that character.
The lags - Yeah, this really needs to get fixed.
The cg illustrations are not by the same artists - Which kinda breaks the game experience. Some girls you date can be ugly at the bedroom, some are actually more prettier.

Pros:
The game is not easy - Which I think, is charming. Some characters can leave permanently becuase you did a wrong stuff. And I really loved that part. It's not just about brainless 'choosing the right answer', but what you do matters in this game. And there are consequences. Whether it is for the better, or the worse.
The characters are mostly fun - Such as Morgan. Her fashion and dialogues all changes depended on her 'masculine' trait. One character can lead you to game over. I like this. And as a text game, I can see the dev really made some effort to make some fun dialogues. The oldest character (such as Bree) and the newest character (like Camilla) have all fun dialogues.
The dev has a great work ethic - This is the main reason I gave this game five stars. The game itself is actually a 3 and a half game. But as a game that you pay monthly, the dev always comes up with something every month. That is a great work ethic that you cannot find in other game developers. So what you pay monthly results into a monthly updated content. Of course, the update might not be something that you want. However there is always something, and the dev always tries to make something new. Which I think, is great. And I think the guy is having fun himself too.

This is my personal stuff. Even though there's a bunch of girls in this game, there are still other teaser characters that deserve their own storyline.

bit grindy, but i love how much content this game have. + constant/regular updates keep me invest in this game. Wiki is super helpful but of course there is difficult things to understand, there are bugs of course but nothing game breaking (at least i don't have occur any). I can't wait to this been complete and then i can have full and complete game on Steam.

Interesting game but definately has some flaws

Pros

• Artwork is nice and models are interesting
• Immersive Pregnancy
• plenty of action with models

Cons

• Interface is really laggy and rollback is a pain (if it works)
• The story is overall good but very convoluted. You almost have to read the entire walkthrough and the discussion here to properly plan out the game you want play. Ie Samantha Path if you want to keep her in game and be okay with other girls you have to go down the revenge path but if you dont know that and go down Path A she will leave unless you agree to be faithful.
• Needs animations

Buggy mess of a game. I remember playing this in the past and it actually being better than now for multiple reasons.
1. The lag is UNBEARABLE, you spend half the time playing this game waiting for your destination to load, no exageration. How do you even manage to get a renpy game to be this laggy?
2. Non-preventable NTR (even though in genre it says it is).
3. You'd need to plan for an hour to know what to do when to not close any routes while playing this game, which is kinda dumb for being a sandbox game.
4. Absolute buggy mess, while playing the female protagonist everything just fell apart in seconds. I suppose male protagonist is better in that aspect although I wouldn't trust it.
5. Game is grindy and slow as hell. With that I don't mean there is "too much buildup" or something, it's just literally repeating the same stuff over and over again (not something like new scenes or events) to raise points. Boring and a pain in the ass.

Main reason I give 2 stars instead of 1 is because of what it once was, not because of what it is, sadly enough.

I don't understand why so many people support this game. There is no animation at all. I can only say that there are other games that are more suitable for support.
It's just a boring sandbox game. Don't waste your time.

well here is my two cents , The game on the surface looks great lots of girls all have content. Although i don't think the energy/ food/enjoyment etc mechanics add anything to the game.

So why did i give it 3 stars? it looks great on the surface but when you look beyond that you notice it's only knee deep. There is not enough depth to the characters, there are a few events for each and then you pretty much move on to the next one. If you like that that's fine and you will enjoy the game , but for me it makes the game just feel shallow .

Game version: v22.5.0

Story

• Great dating sim story where we have Harem, Horror, incest & many more.
• Each girl has their own story that will merged into player gameplay (girl will get angry if she found player cheated on her with other girl).
• NTR (Avoidable) content is only happen once.

Art

• Overall the art quality is good.
• Some face expression seem little bit buggy (Sasha angry expression maybe).

Performance

• Average to good (4.5).
• it seems bit laggy when interact with the UI & map (idk why).

Game Feature

• Pregnancy system is great (has endless & immersive option).
• Hint system is understandable.

Here suggestion for Dev from me:-

• Immersive pregnancy need some adjustment option, 60 Days seem very long. Need some game mechanic where we know when the girl will give birth. Having childbirth scene also is great idea.
• Breast Milk and also Adult Breastfeeding scene
• Breeding due to Immersive Pregnancy
• Sex animation will be great idea but it will affect the game performance.
• Mike grope girl on Cinema scene when on date
• [IT JUST SUGGESTION] Need new NTR system that will build up to be Bad Ending. NTR will not trigger until player trigger it AND at the same time player can get out from NTR if player trigger it and vice versa. The girls also can get NTR Pregnancy (very near to Bad Ending).

Version 22.5.0

I could say a lot about this game, I could talk about it's freedom and variety. I could talk about its depth and how it somehow encompasses a complete sexual identity. Its use of tropes for humor, and how it builds upon tropes to elevate the gameplay experience. I could say a lot about this game. I'd rather just say that this game, which hides nothing behind paywalls, makes real updates that includes real, high quality content and offers one of the best harem/dating sim experiences in human existence, I bought this game at full price on steam and I would highly urge all those who value high quality adult content to do the same if you are able. At least do yourself a favor and play the game. And leave a 5 star review. It honestly makes me sad to see a genuinely great game like this with only 3.6 stars. Do the right thing people.

Fantastic art with diverse characters and a full world to explore! Yes, it's not the best story or gameplay but the uniqueness and sheer amount of variety and content makes this a very enjoyable experience for me. Loving it. I hope they continue to build on it and create more content.

Love and Sex: Second Base v22.4.0d

This game used to be one of the best. A lovable cast, simple enough systems to get each event and the in-game guide was sufficient enough to get you there.

Now? Better have a second monitor with the wiki open or you'll unintentionally lock yourself out of something you won't know about until hours later. The game has become needlessly complicated for such a simple concept. All you need to do is look at how to get Emma to see exactly the problem with the game in its current state

Oh, and don't worry about your saves. Each update slows them down more and more so you'll eventually have to restart and go through the grind again. And there is a grind, even with cheats.

The art, while inconsistent at times, is likable. Morgan is my favorite. Some of the changes like Kleio's redraw are questionable, but it's a subjective change that you may or may not like.

The biggest hurdle this game has is bugs. As mentioned before, this game gets SLOW. I have a good PC, it's not my hardware. but this game can have moments where it'll take three full seconds of waiting before whatever you click gets registered. That's if you're lucky and the option you clicked actually opens up like it's supposed to. Some events are straight up bugged and it takes a long time for them to be fixed.

The dev(s) do update consistently, which is nice but they seriously need to chill with adding content and spend some time doing some well needed maintenance behind the scenes.

I can't say anything about the voice work since I play with the game volume off.

I really want to keep liking this game but as the time goes on, it gets harder to justify the headache while having to slog through the wiki to make sure I didn't cancel two LI storylines with a simple date.

The game has dissapointed me in many days which i regret the time i have spent so I could have written this review. And none of these points of my dissapointment is about the graphics and such but rather the entire game premise, mechanics and actual gameplay.

Firstly the stats are buggy and the 15 improved maxed stats doesn't even work and dealing with your needs is a constant frustration as it actually blocks story related quest scenes and even make you fail a date cause your spesific need is 1 point lower than it should be.

The spesific requirements for relationship progression is tedious and makes it feel less like a sandbox simulation and more like mini visual novel stories like a galery player. Even though maybe it might get much more flexible late game, the path to it just makes is not worth the effort and time wasted in the game.

Although a life sim, not much personalization is there like the most basic skin and hair colors or like other physical properties.

Rising stats is a ver important part of the game but also the cost and the need of money via work doesn't go hand hin hand much slower one other down but also stats rising after a while has no purpose as in it caps at 100.

The fact that you have to wait alot just makes it really boring like have to wait for a week for an event or couple hours for a person.

Overal just too tedious and time wasting to actually have a good time.

The game would be 80-90% percent shorter if there was just events you play, it is that tedious indeed.