Is DLsite down?

[xy90k]

It's basically a repeat of what happened to the adult game section on Steam. The German government demanded completely outlandish age verification methods (like entering a video call with an employee holding up your ID to verify it is actually you accessing Steam) so Valve just banned access to adult games to all German IPs.
Something similar happened to xHamster but in this case the site owners refused to ban access and a court order had to be obtained that forced German internet providers to block access to the website for their customers. In response xHamster changed their URL and basically circumvented the court ruled region block because now a new court order for the new URL had to be obtained starting the month long legal process all over again.
It's both sad and hilarious to see how out of touch the government is with the digital world.

DLSite might've been a special case though since some of the content offered there would actually be illegal in Germany (and any other country that has laws against fictional porn of underage characters).

Perhaps in the not-so-far future Germans won't be able to access any NSFW sites without using a VPN or sending your dick pic to reddit mods for age verification.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Oh no...
Anyways, go to any search engine and search: Tor Project
Download that, install, happy browsing.

 

[Libelle]

It's basically a repeat of what happened to the adult game section on Steam. The German government demanded completely outlandish age verification methods (like entering a video call with an employee holding up your ID to verify it is actually you accessing Steam) so Valve just banned access to adult games to all German IPs.
Something similar happened to xHamster but in this case the site owners refused to ban access and a court order had to be obtained that forced German internet providers to block access to the website for their customers. In response xHamster changed their URL and basically circumvented the court ruled region block because now a new court order for the new URL had to be obtained starting the month long legal process all over again.
It's both sad and hilarious to see how out of touch the government is with the digital world.

DLSite might've been a special case though since some of the content offered there would actually be illegal in Germany (and any other country that has laws against fictional porn of underage characters).

Perhaps in the not-so-far future Germans won't be able to access any NSFW sites without using a VPN or sending your dick pic to reddit mods for age verification.

While a part of this comment is true, part of it is bogus. The only verification that is needed is any kind of verification that confirms your age that is more then "state your birth date" it doesn't need to be a video call or anything. There are ways to confirm ID and age that don't need that and are accepted. It's the utter lack of reliable age verification that the german government takes issue with.

Secondly germany doesn't have laws against fictional porn of underage characters. It has laws against porn of actual underage children and against creations that are based on a real event and porn that is indistinguishable from real stuff(think ultra realistic cg renders) but that's it.

That aside I agree that the german governments is out of touch with the digital world. There's an infamous sentence that was uttered by Merkel when she was cancellor: "Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland." TL: "The internet is new territory for all of us." and every german that isn't the standard 60+ year old stereotypical parliament member will groan and want to die upon hearing it.

That said I'm not happy about this development either, but I will point out the misinformation about the topic when I see it.

 

[Sealed]

Oh no...
Anyways, go to any search engine and search: Tor Project
Download that, install, happy browsing.

The browser doesn't work either, the same error occurs, so I stick with VPN


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Whatever the reason they're not allowed to mention it, we just have to leave it as it is.

As long as they don't delete the German account, I shouldn't care. As long as I get there with a VPN, it's fine for now.

Germany is just... Germany and Japan are just... Japan, everyone just has their own laws and rules for things like that.

Let's see what the future holds and how things develop, this is the only way Dlsite won't get any customers

 

[JansenX]

If I was better versed in programming, I would try to get a proper fucking age verification method for us Germans that doesn't include retarded backwards mentality methods. Because honestly I get the concerns but in a reasonable way not the usual German authorities way, where a titty or dismembered zombies with ragdoll physics is too much for your average mid to end 20 year old German to handle... in their mind at least.
New IDs in Germany are forcing you to do some things anyway (I know that because I just had to get a new one):

1. Fingerprints of both index fingers
2. Digital pass via chip in ID and a PIN

So what if, crazy idea incoming:
Having a fucking flag on a store account where you can do a proper age verification via the PIN? A simple plugin that ONLY checks the age with the ID.
It's literally as fool proof as you can get. You would have to put your ID in one of those card scanners with a fingerprint scanner.
After putting it in - fingerprint AND then the PIN. Unless you do it yourself or your psycho kid kills you to use your finger Hitman style and somehow got the PIN too, you can't fool that shit (probably possible but if a kid would go so far, then it earned the access to porn in my mind - that would be some proper dedication!). How to make the Plugin foolproof? Make it a .gov plugin that doesn't quite check on the store side anyways but on some gov site as a ticket or something. So no third party stuff.
No stupid data hoarding and the only thing that could go wrong is if your underage kids have access to your store accounts and that would be on you imo. At some point the parents need to take responsibility and not strangers. Do something like that and give shops 12-18 months to include the verification method -> done.

Maybe I don't know enough and you could do all that without even having to check a gov database. I have no idea what the new ID chip includes but I would guess the age would be part of it.
I know that even a Smartphone can suffice as the scanner nowadays so we may not even have to buy those things - I guess they will be mandatory in the near future but would be nice not having to buy one.

To some that sound dystopian but it would probably be the only somewhat decent solution we could get with those smooth brained idiots at charge.

There is a way to make that happen in a non intrusive way. If need be make it something that expires in a year (something like that you get me) so no blackmarket trading can happen or some shit but still. At some point they always go over board with their decisions.

Other solutions don't work apparently because of the DSGVO at least a programming buddy told me so, since a third party would need to save the data and if that goes wrong they will have a nice time in prison. No idea if that is true or not but I know from work that the DSGVO is a bitch so wouldn't be surprised if that would be true.
Would be funny if a perverted nerd builds such a solution in the name of getting to our god damn porn without someone peskering us!

So maybe someone that has a good heart for us perverts can make something like that or we brainstorm lol?

 

[xy90k]

The only verification that is needed is any kind of verification that confirms your age that is more then "state your birth date" it doesn't need to be a video call or anything. There are ways to confirm ID and age that don't need that and are accepted. It's the utter lack of reliable age verification that the german government takes issue with.

You mean like using a credit card for example? Cause that's apparently not secure enough because credit cards can in theory be issued to minors and don't contain any information about the holder's date of birth.

The KJM (the commission that runs this circus) mandates that age verification systems are required to:

1. Verify your actual identity and age once via personal contact (for example over webcam). This is to prevent minors from circumventing the age verification. This is called face-to-face verification and is the only sufficient way to verify your age according to their guidelines.​

2. An authentication for every time you use the service to minimize the possibility of you allowing 3rd parties to use the service in your stead. You receive the authentication method after performing the first step and it is usually some kind of hardware solution like a sim card that you have to scan before accessing the site.​

It took a simple Google search to find out about this on their own website:

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Leo D. Marstone]

Yeah the age verification is taking some weird directions. Not to mention that this would be a privacy issue as well if you need to verify your age with actual personal contact in any shape or form.
I mean sure lets out yourself as a huge pervert for wanting to buy porn or hentai. On here I am a proud degenerate but do I want it to be known outside of it?

It is what it is, so no more german customers for eastern porn devs.........piracy it is....yet again.

 

[Libelle]

The KJM (the commission that runs this circus) mandates that age verification systems are required to:

1. Verify your actual identity and age once via personal contact (for example over webcam). This is to prevent minors from circumventing the age verification. This is called face-to-face verification and is the only sufficient way to verify your age according to their guidelines.​

Should have read the entire thing then. Cause it specifically mentions that "vorgelagerte" age verification is also possible. In practice that means if the tool used to verifying your age already needed to verify your age at some point that is also okay.

But as I said earlier I'm also not exactly a fan of this entire thing and think it's pretty extreme. I'm just pointing out information that isn't quite true or complete.

 

[xy90k]

it specifically mentions that "vorgelagerte" age verification is also possible.

That is exactly what I meant by

Verify your actual identity and age once via personal contact

This doesn't change the fact that someone at some point has to physically look you in the face and say "yup this person is not underage".

I would try to get a proper fucking age verification method for us Germans that doesn't include retarded backwards mentality methods

How about inserting a scanner in every German office chair that measures for how many years you've been getting fucked in the ass by the government?

 

[Libelle]

This doesn't change the fact that someone at some point has to physically look you in the face and say "yup this person is not underage".

Indeed but this also means that the document used to verify your age can be a drivers license an ID or anything of the like which you usually need to get issued physically atleast once. And an ID is a mandatory document so you actually do not need to make an extra effort for that. Provided the verification system allows you to verify via ID. Those exist and are used by some companies.

Granted for a site like Dlsite this would probably be way to much hassle for a customer basis that probably isn't even all that large on their site. But on the other hand it also means that there is no additional need to make a visual identification unless the verification method does not rely on a method that is pretty much guaranteed to not require additional steps.

And I'm fully willing to assume that our government is responsible for that method not beeing widely and easily accessible enough for anyone wishing to make business with german citizens, since our government sucks real bad when it comes to digitalizing stuff.

 

[Loro]

Anyone who bought stuff on dlsite, got an answer what happens to account access? Will they refund all transactions?

 

[Sealed]

Anyone who bought stuff on dlsite, got an answer what happens to account access? Will they refund all transactions?

No, because there's nothing you can do about it. I was wondering what happens to the games you purchased and because you don't have access to them. If you use VPN, it will work as long as the accounts are not deleted.

But it's actually a crime if they do that because you paid money for it and you can't access the stuff without a VPN.

But how do you want to represent that?

So I guess you have to live with it.

 

[Spermasahne]

That sucks. I loved to buy some original games there and share it here with others so someone can try to do a translation of the original game. Sorry translation section, i can no longer share bought games from DLSite with you now. Don't want to use a shitty free VPN with slow speed, nor do i want to pay for a VPN.

 

[Regda]

well when you access the website using tor browser then you can actually (for some reason i dunno) copy the download link and download it using any other normal browser.