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LordMerek

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I don't think writing 200 characters is a hard thing to do, the hard thing is trying to write meaningful review for a game that overrated as hell.

I feel like Shutter Island MC's last 10 minutes while reading ratings in here.
If something sucks so much, you usually got a lot to say about it, at least 200 characters worth.
 

Room34

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If something sucks so much, you usually got a lot to say about it, at least 200 characters worth.
It's not about things being suck but nowhere close to these 5 star ratings made by "meh potential" gang.
 

Savor

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Bro will literally write 300 characters about why 200 characters are not needed.
this does not really matter, 200 minimum characters for reviews just make the star rating useless period
it would be best to decouple rating from reviews if you just want in-depth reviews :unsure:
right now the rating represents only the community minority.
 

Hagatagar

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this does not really matter, 200 minimum characters for reviews just make the star rating useless period
it would be best to decouple rating from reviews if you just want in-depth reviews :unsure:
right now the rating represents only the community minority.
But there is still the question "Why is the game bad/good?"
A simple rating won't answer that, but a review will tell you why the rating is the way it is.

People have different opinions and it's quite common for some people do downvote a game just because it has a kink they don't like or even because it has DAZ or HoneySelect models. This doesn't help anybody.
No long ago I've seen on steam a rating for a strategy game that had some anime portaits, nothing lewd at all, but somone downrated it with this two words "no sex". This is literally a worthless rating, because the game is in no way even close in that direction.
 

Savor

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But there is still the question "Why is the game bad/good?"
a) there will be still people who write in depth reviews, they will not be forbidden if you remove the minimum so i don't see the problem here.
or
b) if reviews are decoupled from ratings, this does not matter who want to write reviews can do that.

People have different opinions and it's quite common for some people do downvote a game just because it has a kink they don't like or even because it has DAZ or HoneySelect models. This doesn't help anybody.
that's also the minority of people.

No long ago I've seen on steam a rating for a strategy game that had some anime portaits, nothing lewd at all, but somone downrated it with this two words "no sex". This is literally a worthless rating, because the game is in no way even close in that direction.
and yet steam ratings still work better as this sites rating system.
one dudes vote is complete useless under thousands of ratings.
 

Hagatagar

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a) there will be still people who write in depth reviews, they will not be forbidden if you remove the minimum so i don't see the problem here.
or
b) if reviews are decoupled from ratings, this does not matter who want to write reviews can do that.
Won't change that quoted part of my post in any way or form.

that's also the minority of people.
Is it? Just because they write something like "The graphic and animations are bad, the dialog is not coherend" doesn't mean that's the true reason for the low rating. There are even many that admit openly that they write bullshit, just to be able to downrate a game because of kinks, sometimes even in the review itself.

Sure, that proves that reviews won't stop them, right? Not really, this 200 letter restriction is enough to prevent a fuckton of those people to downrate purely because of subjective personal taste on a whim.

one dudes vote is complete useless under thousands of ratings.
That game had only a couple of votes, so yeah it did make a difference.
 

Savor

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Won't change that quoted part of my post in any way or form.
it does, just read reviews if you want to they are not forbidden.
i don't ask for a rule to forbid reviews.

yes
and again a small minority just sticks out because of the minimum requirement.


That game had only a couple of votes, so yeah it did make a difference.
i knew you would come with this.
you can't compare a small steam game with max 100 buyers with a game on f95zone that has thousands of downloads.
that's the same bullshit with car accidents are more frequent than plane accidents, yeah there are way more cars
 

morphnet

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you can't compare a small steam game with max 100 buyers with a game on f95zone that has thousands of downloads.
that's the same bullshit with car accidents are more frequent than plane accidents, yeah there are way more cars
actually you can they have about they same amount of downloads. It's also not a good idea to mix buyers / copy holders with downloads.
 
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Savor

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actually you can they have about they same amount of downloads. It's also not a good idea to mix buyers / copy holders with downloads.
no, not really. we have no game here with few hundred downloads and you can only download on steam if you buy, so yeah...
tbh i don't really know how you can come to such a ridiculous conclusion.
seems like you guys have no argument anymore so, i'm out here...
 
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morphnet

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no, not really. we have no game here with few hundred downloads and you can only download on steam if you buy, so yeah...
tbh i don't really know how you can come to such a ridiculous conclusion.
seems like you guys have no argument anymore so, i'm out here...
Ok to start with you don't know the name of the game he used as an example and simply assumed that it had max 100 buyers, you then used some random game as an example and claimed it had thousands of downloads. By doing this you are creating an example bias in your favor to try validate you point. Unfortunately for you that backfired.

Given that a lot of indie games receive a lot more updates than porn game here, if we are you go off your 100 buyers, then it is very easy for that steam game to have the same amount or more downloads.

Remembering for clarity and context that you provided NO time frame, exact download number or any other details.

If the steam game get 3 updates a month, that is 3600 a year at 100 buyers.

3x12 = 36
36x100 = 3600

and those ARE unique downloads not including re-installs / verifying files etc.
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you can't compare a small steam game with max 100 buyers with a game on f95zone that has thousands of downloads.
Given that there is no way you can actually tell how many times a game has been downloaded from F95 or how many of the downloads are for the actual game and not for mods / walkthroughs / sigs / translations / etc. and given the low update count my statement is correct.

I'll also point out that because you compared buyers and downloads, you shot yourself in the foot because many of those thousands of downloads are from the same people updating their game. If you had stuck to owners of a copy of the game, your math would have worked out but because you went with what you "thought" was the bigger number and DIDN'T do the math, your last reply is incorrect.

tbh i don't really know how you can come to such a ridiculous conclusion.
I'd be interested in how you came up with yours? How exactly do you know for a fact how many downloads a game on F95 has? Other than just making up some random number in your head?

no, not really. we have no game here with few hundred downloads
Again, how would you know? where exactly are you seeing this download count for the games? Also you are mixing up owner and downloads again they are NOT the same thing :rolleyes:

and you can only download on steam if you buy, so yeah...
Actually here you are wrong too, if you buy some games on steam and link your account to the game service many downloads are not shown in steam and are done through the game launcher or in game i.e. star trek online, the sims etc. etc.

All your arguments are based on factless assumptions and you are STILL mixing up owner with downloads :rolleyes:

One last thing...

one dudes vote is complete useless under thousands of ratings.
Firstly not many games on this site have thousands of rating stop exaggerating.

Secondly the fact is people are allowed alt accounts here and a few people have used them to try mess with the ratings.

it is even forbidden in the rules

https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2024-03-18.5589/

General section 9

Alt accounts are allowed, so long as they're not used to break any of the above rules, circumvent bans, manipulate likes/reviews/discussion, or mislead the user base.

So "one dudes vote" can have an impact on MANY of the games here....
 
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Savor

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Ok to start with you don't know the name of the game he used as an example and simply assumed that it had max 100 buyers, you then used some random game as an example and claimed it had thousands of downloads. By doing this you are creating an example bias in your favor to try validate you point. Unfortunately for you that backfired.

Given that a lot of indie games receive a lot more updates than porn game here, if we are you go off your 100 buyers, then it is very easy for that steam game to have the same amount or more downloads.

Remembering for clarity and context that you provided NO time frame, exact download number or any other details.

If the steam game get 3 updates a month, that is 3600 a year at 100 buyers.

3x12 = 36
36x100 = 3600

and those ARE unique downloads not including re-installs / verifying files etc.
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Given that there is no way you can actually tell how many times a game has been downloaded from F95 or how many of the downloads are for the actual game and not for mods / walkthroughs / sigs / translations / etc. and given the low update count my statement is correct.

I'll also point out that because you compared buyers and downloads, you shot yourself in the foot because many of those thousands of downloads are from the same people updating their game. If you had stuck to owners of a copy of the game, your math would have worked out but because you went with what you "thought" was the bigger number and DIDN'T do the math, your last reply is incorrect.



I'd be interested in how you came up with yours? How exactly do you know for a fact how many downloads a game on F95 has? Other than just making up some random number in your head?



Again, how would you know? where exactly are you seeing this download count for the games? Also you are mixing up owner and downloads again they are NOT the same thing :rolleyes:



Actually here you are wrong too, if you buy some games on steam and link your account to the game service many downloads are not shown in steam and are done through the game launcher or in game i.e. star trek online, the sims etc. etc.

All your arguments are based on factless assumptions and you are STILL mixing up owner with downloads :rolleyes:

One last thing...



Firstly not many games on this site have thousands of rating stop exaggerating.

Secondly the fact is people are allowed alt accounts here and a few people have used them to try mess with the ratings.

it is even forbidden in the rules

https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2024-03-18.5589/

General section 9

Alt accounts are allowed, so long as they're not used to break any of the above rules, circumvent bans, manipulate likes/reviews/discussion, or mislead the user base.

So "one dudes vote" can have an impact on MANY of the games here....
you didn't read my comment properly, so waste of time to answer
 

morphnet

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you didn't read my comment properly, so waste of time to answer
I read your comment "properly", it is not my fault if you did not write your comment properly, do the math properly or take any of the facts into account properly.
 

Count Morado

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nah, you did totaly not.
for starters you put my comment out of context.
i never said following:
Yes and no. You did say it and in the context you and your suggestion about how F95 should separate ratings from reviews - your statement to Hagatagar:
one dudes vote is complete useless under thousands of ratings.
Does appear to a reader that you are saying that should your suggestion be used, that one vote won't alter thousands of other ratings of a game on here.
 
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morphnet

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nah, you did totaly not.
for starters you put my comment out of context.
i never said following:
Then put it into context!

You also failed to say where or how you know how many downloads each game on this sites gets.
You also failed to say where or how you know which was downloaded, the game or it's mod or it's walkthrough etc.

As far as I know, Being a Dik is the only game that has over a thousand reviews on here.
I didn't know that, thank you, that just makes his statement all the more exaggerated.