How can one who dislikes NTR, who also has three women loyal to them, enjoy a game with brothels, strip clubs, gloryholes & sex clubs?

aspar4gus

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Just make NTR optional from game start and if players choose that option, then they have to live with it...
I like this, i remember there was another game where there's a setting to turn this on or off, they even split the option between voluntary-ntr and non-voluntary ntr, and if you turn them off in the setting, the choices that lead to those will simply never appear in your playthrough. Very convenient.
 

OrdinanceXXXIV

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Have anyone done a story/game where throughout the entire game it seems like he's being cuck but the twist in the end is he's actually paying these dudes/gals to bang his chick and he's not actually a beta male?
 
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I find it so weird people feel like alpha/beta when playing a VN.
Like... you pressed a few buttons while playing a porn game, you are most definitely not alpha.
I guess some can get more into character than others. I never identify myself with the MC because these games are always absurd in premise or execution so the believability is 0 in my eyes.
 
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Not against NTR if it's done right, problem is that I have yet to see a game with NTR that actually does it right. What do I mean? Well first of all I can't relate at all to a character that is a wimp and can't stand up for himself, it's a character trait that is just boring to me. I also seen some comment here that games that have optional routes still spill over to the non-NTR routes. This is kinda true to me as well. Knowing that if I don't give perfect answers to dialogue options means she will turn to the next black man and turn into a BBC slave just kinda ruins the character because the character gets tainted. Just like if you had a GF in RL and if you did not do everything perfectly with her she would jump on another mans cock you would not feel like she is a very good GF or genuine person, yeah? Thats how I see it.

Granted in RL I have a somewhat checkered past when it comes to having relations with married/taken women and once I grew up a bit I realized how much fucking hurt I was causing by enabling cheaters. It just kinda turned me off the whole thing once I grew out of that shit. As an effect I relate much better to games where I play as the cheater or the one enabling the cheaters, cuck stuff and wimpy shit just is too much against my nature. I dislike games where I play as the MC enabling cheaters where their partners are good guys, it works better for me if they are assholes. It gives it an excuse I guess. Oh well hope it helps a little at least, bottomline is I do avoid NTR games but I mostly dislike the wimpy cuck stuff.
 
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I find it so weird people feel like alpha/beta when playing a VN.
Like... you pressed a few buttons while playing a porn game, you are most definitely not alpha.
I guess some can get more into character than others. I never identify myself with the MC because these games are always absurd in premise or execution so the believability is 0 in my eyes.
The problem is most of the writers aren't up to the level of writing to make someone feel immersed. They short cut shit to get to fap scenes, they don't take the time to flesh out the story details enough to make shit believable.
In most cases I come away from many of these games feeling like the author has ZERO clue as to what they are talking about. Most the time the authors come off as a basement dwelling virgin neet otaku creeper. That's not that all otaku set me off as creepers just these authors tend to give off this vibe with their writing.

I try to be fair with my ratings and look at more or not if the author put any effort in or not and what the vibe of the game is.
That said I can get more into a game that the author isn't a out right lazy shit bag.
 
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hakarlman

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I need to ask a question from the NTR hater crowd. Please be brutally honest.

First some context,

In the beginning of the game, NPC's will constantly ogle your women, make lewd and obscene comments towards them right in front of you, and undress them with their eyes; because these asshole NPC's have zero respect for you. However, you'll be able to get them to stop doing it in various ways; including beating them up, intimidate them, and other cruel things even involving Netori; seducing their women behind their back or openly in front of them. The power to control these scenarios is in your hands.

Second context, you don't see the faces of the enemy NPC males. No one wants to see some shit head dudes face in a porn game. (You can optionally turn it on, but it's off by default).


Now the question: If an NPC constantly eyes your women and makes lewd comments towards them in front of you, would you immediately close the game because you're just not in the mood to deal with it? Is it a complete turn off to have to worry about stuff like that? Would you prefer to disable it?

Also, this is not about not being man enough to deal with a shit talking NPC in a game. This is about a consumer being able to enjoy a game meant to help them escape into an erotic fantasy world. I need to know if dealing with NPCs who act in such a manner, as described above, is a turn off? Does it kill the mood?

You can even send me your answer in PM if you want. Thank you guys.
 

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Now the question: If an NPC constantly eyes your women and makes lewd comments towards them in front of you, would you immediately close the game because you're just not in the mood to deal with it? Is it a complete turn off to have to worry about stuff like that? Would you prefer to disable it?

Also, this is not about not being man enough to deal with a shit talking NPC in a game. This is about a consumer being able to enjoy a game meant to help them escape into an erotic fantasy world. I need to know if dealing with NPCs who act in such a manner, as described above, is a turn off? Does it kill the mood?
More of a turn on for me.
Now do u have some more polls for me or no?
 
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If an NPC constantly eyes your women and makes lewd comments towards them in front of you, would you immediately close the game because you're just not in the mood to deal with it? Is it a complete turn off to have to worry about stuff like that? Would you prefer to disable it?
I won't speak for everyone since our degree of hate/tolerance of ntr is probably vastly different, but in this context i'd actually be ok with it.

Getting ntr-ed is a turn off, but imposing it on other npc, who is fortunately a jerk or a wimp, is great.

At some point in the past i had also remembered that i actually tolerated ntr because the game allows me to murder the guy

So i guess i can tolerate a certain degree of male npc audacity as long as the later revenge / payoff is highly rewarding.. If i make an extreme example here: a male npc dare to sniff at one of my girl and make lewd comments, but later on i can castrate him and cut off all his limbs and left him on the street, them it's fine for me
 
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If an NPC constantly eyes your women and makes lewd comments towards them in front of you, would you immediately close the game because you're just not in the mood to deal with it? Is it a complete turn off to have to worry about stuff like that? Would you prefer to disable it?
I think its fine in the right context, for example your in the club with your girl and she gets hit on by another guy; OK in this situation I would like the option to either [ignore him] [fight him], as long as I have a say in the dialogue and what plays out afterwards, if I were passive my girl would see that as weakness, if I defended her then she would see that as a turn on.

Having your choices actually mean something, thats what I would prefer in a game some good examples are "Culture Shock" and "A struggle With Sin", where in these games your actions or lack there of actually ends up affecting the story later down the road, you play the game you want based on your previous choices.

SIDE NOTE: I need to add that extreme ways of dealing with NTR are always just ridiculous and stupid to me, theres no better way to kill immersion than by offering the option to [Kill] [Kidnap] [Shoot] your rivals/enemy. If you are going to have to deal with another person it should atleast be believable enough to not destroy the plot and mood of the game.
 
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Now the question: If an NPC constantly eyes your women and makes lewd comments towards them in front of you, would you immediately close the game because you're just not in the mood to deal with it? Is it a complete turn off to have to worry about stuff like that? Would you prefer to disable it?
a turnoff within any sex scene, ok during other gameplay. a chance to beat them up is a huge help.

not seeing faces seems to lessen its impact for me, at least in my imagination. I'm picturing three faceless guys cornering my girl and threatening her. it makes it feel less personal and more like it's 'the world' attacking my girl.

but it might still feel quite annoying in a way a long rambling narration often does. you start feeling like why do I have to hear about some other guys I have zero interest in. and if it happens again you start groaning from frustration. maybe after three scenes like that you might be ready to quit, UNLESS there's a big prize left like the hot reluctant milf. the carrot needs to be really good.
 
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*Pokes head out*

The average person that is against NTR is usually ok with being the one who causes NTR to another person but doesn't like receiving on the receiving end of it. I am one of those people. The only way for me to avoid the NTR feeling in a NTR game is for the MC and myself to both see that person as disposable trash that is still unromantically together due to some sort of circumstance (i.e I need access to that person's money, connections, and etc). See I just said I...not the MC. That is part of what causes the hate...supplanting oneself with the MC. This is what gets me more into the game. If I am not supplanting...I am probably not as interested in the game (hence I practically outright avoid female protag games).

A person generally feels NTR'd when either a person they have some type of strong attachment to has sex with a person that is not them or...some person they have a strong attachment too develops feelings of desire towards someone else that is not them. The first case is an official case of being NTR'd whereas the second one is the process in motion and which feels very close in equivalency to being NTR'd....so it gets lumped together. It is like arguments and divorces over cheating and a spouse seeming attracted to another person. Although the other person hasn't physically done anything with the other person yet...the emotional infidelity is view almost as badly (hence the arguments).

An easy way to understand negative feelings of NTR is the person feels humiliated and that something that belongs to them has been stolen from them. What has been stolen is the person the cared about, the sense of purity/innocence within the relationship, their pride, their sense of power over situations, and/or the time & effort put towards the person in question. Ironically people can countlessly cheat on others, and yet feel anger/rage, betrayal, and a sense of intense loss/grief when someone cheats on them even once.

Brothels/whorehouses don't usually spark the feeling of NTR because often their is a sense that the person never "belonged" to them. Possibly physically yes (in slave games)...but the feeling of emotional ownership is nonexistent. However, getting that one ho that causes you to development an emotional attachment to...is problematic...because the NTR concept starts to build up and cause inner & outward conflict (might be interesting to build a game around that type of situation).

Someone mentioned extreme reactions such as violence being ridiculous. Take this in consideration...while most people don't go to extreme's...there are still a lot of people in jail currently due to killing a cheating spouse and/or the other person in a fit of rage. This tends to occur more often when they catch the two in the act. In other words...it isn't a ridiculous far-fetched possibility because it currently already does happen.

*hides in some random hole again*
 
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*Pokes head out*

The average person that is against NTR is usually ok with being the one who causes NTR to another person but doesn't like receiving on the receiving end of it. I am one of those people. The only way for me to avoid the NTR feeling in a NTR game is for the MC and myself to both see that person as disposable trash that is still unromantically together due to some sort of circumstance (i.e I need access to that person's money, connections, and etc). See I just said I...not the MC. That is part of what causes the hate...supplanting oneself with the MC. This is what gets me more into the game. If I am not supplanting...I am probably not as interested in the game (hence I practically outright avoid female protag games).

A person generally feels NTR'd when either a person they have some type of strong attachment to has sex with a person that is not them or...some person they have a strong attachment too develops feelings of desire towards someone else that is not them. The first case is an official case of being NTR'd whereas the second one is the process in motion and which feels very close in equivalency to being NTR'd....so it gets lumped together. It is like arguments and divorces over cheating and a spouse seeming attracted to another person. Although the other person hasn't physically done anything with the other person yet...the emotional infidelity is view almost as badly (hence the arguments).

An easy way to understand negative feelings of NTR is the person feels humiliated and that something that belongs to them has been stolen from them. What has been stolen is the person the cared about, the sense of purity/innocence within the relationship, their pride, their sense of power over situations, and/or the time & effort put towards the person in question. Ironically people can countlessly cheat on others, and yet feel anger/rage, betrayal, and a sense of intense loss/grief when someone cheats on them even once.

Brothels/whorehouses don't usually spark the feeling of NTR because often their is a sense that the person never "belonged" to them. Possibly physically yes (in slave games)...but the feeling of emotional ownership is nonexistent. However, getting that one ho that causes you to development an emotional attachment to...is problematic...because the NTR concept starts to build up and cause inner & outward conflict (might be interesting to build a game around that type of situation).

Someone mentioned extreme reactions such as violence being ridiculous. Take this in consideration...while most people don't go to extreme's...there are still a lot of people in jail currently due to killing a cheating spouse and/or the other person in a fit of rage. This tends to occur more often when they catch the two in the act. In other words...it isn't a ridiculous far-fetched possibility because it currently already does happen.

*hides in some random hole again*
*pops up again like a groundhog*
Replying to input my add-ins. It seems my comment was noticed before I had a chance to add them.

So the best way to avoid a NTR feeling with the game is...do NOT have the 3 loyal girls get used/shared by other people. Avoid making the whores too likeable (weird idea...I know). This will be hard, because you also can't make them unlikeable. While you could make ho's with similar....everything about them...it would be amazing if they are still different and memorable in their own way (wait...that usually makes them very likeable...&^$%!!!). Well you can make them unlikeable...but that person will generally get sent to the unliked and abusive clients. It would be a interesting idea if it is harder to make a decision if a character is worthy of shit clients. One character having that status gets them by default...but add 2 more like that and now there is a decision to be made. This could also potentially backfire and make a borderline unlikeable character...likeable in a weird love-hate way due to a comparative bias (unlikely but possible).

*goes back into hiding*
 
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Hi - it's all a question of degrees.

From a male point of view (can't really claim to emulate NTR haters)
There will be some who will be irritated that there are any other sexually males referenced in the game anywhere
There will be some, I'm guessing, who will feel equivocal about the MC's employees plying their trade and will feel the game is unrealistic if this doesn't happen

You cannot please everyone
Trying to do so will end up aggravating more than it pleases

Work out what the upper and lower levels of behaviour feel comfortable for you and do that
I just reckon it will keep the game more balanced and immersive for those that do enjoy it
Which looks like it could be a fair few
 
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You're practically asking guys that don't like to share if they'd be fine dating a Porn Star, Stripper or Prostitute. At the end of the day, if they see the description says clearly that you are dating prostitutes in the brothel you own, they can simply not play the game.
 
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Now the question: If an NPC constantly eyes your women and makes lewd comments towards them in front of you, would you immediately close the game because you're just not in the mood to deal with it? Is it a complete turn off to have to worry about stuff like that? Would you prefer to disable it?

Fucking beat them up if possible otherwise an option of retaliation because they kinda rude if stranger however if you know them (in game) while might able to tolerate because you kinda know them and just laugh it off as a joke (optionable choice here) ---- Keep an eyes on them (be cautious and has option to prevent potential NTR ) or ------ (it just a comment --} high chance of NTR occur.(because this is a game if you just get stress over a game and not in mood to deal with it then you are not playing the game right because game is even mean of a hobby to just to relax and fap (in this game [porn] ) .Might not a huge turn off depending on story . Preferable toggleable since if i want to switch it off any time.
 
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Non so scrivere bene in inglese, quindi se qualcuno volesse fare la traduzione in lingua inglese, lo ringrazio.

La questione è molto delicata e non univoca. Come tutti i fetish, hanno una scala di valori che possono salire o scendere a seconda dei tuoi trascorsi, del tuo stile di vita e della cultura a cui appartieni.

Il NTR, come l’adorazione di una specifica parte del corpo, o una pratica erotica in particolare, ha la sua scala di valori.

Da 0 a 10, okay? La mia scala, per esempio, è 2. Come faccio a dire questo? Semplice, da come mi rapporto con questo fetish.

Il tradimento è una cosa che nessuno può sfuggire, fosse anche la minima cosa, come una promessa non mantenuta, fare qualcosa alle spalle delle persone a cui tieni, magari pensando di fare la cosa giusta o giustificandosi in vari modi, incolpando altre cose.

Il NTR/Cheating è il tradimento del rapporto coniugale, vale sia per gli uomini e sia per le donne. Tutti gli uomini e le donne tradiscono, non esiste la figura casta e pura in assoluto. La Vergine Maria è una cazzata inventata dal Vaticano, okay?

Il problema sta nel consenso e nella partecipazione ambilaterale dei coniugati se non c’è allora è un rapporto tossico e non salutare. Il problema di fondo è che gli uomini che “subiscono” (nelle storie NTR) vengono visti come infelici, deficienti e/o “castrati”. Quando vedo certi Hentai, a volte mi viene voglia di impugnare una doppietta (O la Javelin Gun mia nd. Isaac Clarke) tanto che la situazione è irreale e oscena. Se stai così male, perché non reagisci? E mi rivolgo sia all’uomo tradito e sia alla donna tradita.

Qui mi sposto alla seconda parte della mia spiegazione: il NTR fa di tutto (nell’accezione “classica”) per farti legare emotivamente con il tradito e mai con il “traditore” e/o il coniuge che tradisce.

Prendiamo d’esempio, due giochi erotici che ho giocato negli ultimi tempi:

Shrine Maiden Inaho e Me, Milf and Shota. (Qui entra in gioco la mia scala di valori che è 2)

La prima, abbiamo una donna che praticamente si scopa un villaggio intero e il marito ha più corna di una mandria di cervi. Eppure non sentiamo niente, perché siamo dalla parte della donna, il marito non lo conosciamo, non abbiamo un rapporto empatico con lui.

La seconda, è molto peggiore, abbiamo un protagonista che ha un rapporto d’amore per la sua ragazza, la madre, la maestra ed è una persona fondamentalmente buona. Poi abbiamo Shota (Mi sa che dovrò caricare la sega circolare… meglio fare scorte. nd.Isaac) che è un pezzo di merda fatto e finito. Viene disegnato anche in maniera poco piacevole alla vista, proviamo repulsione per lui. S’arringa il diritto di prendere il posto del protagonista, di NOI per prenderci quello che è nostro. Questo ci fa arrabbiare e alimenta così quell’ODIO che unisce i NTR-hater. (Almeno da quello che io ho capito, perché se fosse per l’odio sul tradimento in generale, allora dovrebbero proprio spararsi, perché questo mondo non fa per loro).

Quindi, così detto, non è tanto i contenuti ma è la parte emotiva e della tendenza fetish che si ha, a cui bisogna considerare.

Quando si hanno rapporti sessuali, anche se non sembra, la parte emotiva: amore, odio, rabbia, giocano in primissimo piano. Scopare la persona che ami, ti dà gioia, scopare la persona che hai sempre odiato, per vendetta, ti dà appagamento. Vedere la persona che ami, diventare una larva umana, ti fa rabbia. Vedere la persona che ami che ti tradisce, delusione e sconforto. Vale per entrambe le parti, l’idea dell’uomo stuprato e non consenziente esiste e non è uno “baciato dalla fortuna”, sappitelo!

Le conclusioni di questo ragionamento portano a questo punto:

Se il marito/moglie è una testa di cazzo che considera la sua controparte come una serva e/o una banca allora ha tutto il diritto di avere le corna. Capite?

Ma se la controparte è un povero cristo che si spacca la schiena per portare a casa il pane, o una persona che si preoccupa e il sorriso del/la suo/a amato/a è l’unica cosa che lo/la fa andare avanti, che diritto si ha di tradire queste considerazioni?

Esistono il confronto, la medicina e il processo per risolvere i problemi. È chiaro, questo, no? È semplice buon senso.

Le storie che trattano di violenze e costrizioni psicologiche fini al piacere che ne deriva sono REATO. Nella vita reale sarebbero perseguibili penalmente, come la pedofilia e il guro. Rispondo così a chi gioca questa carta.

Tornando così alla tua questione, mio buon amico sviluppatore, da una parte ti consiglio di seguire la tua strada e dall’altra che è inutile cercare risposte da terzi visto e considerato che le nostre pulsioni sessuali sono in continuo mutamento.

Tu scrivi prima un copione, sviluppa le tue idee e quello che vuoi dire al tuo pubblico. La base sempre quella è.

Anche se è porno, deve avere un filo logico e una fine che lasci qualcosa a chi lo seguirà.

Lo spiegone di prima serviva a farsi un’idea chiara di cosa si tratta il NTR (per me e sulle mie esperienze dietro a uno schermo del pc e sugli studi di psicologia spicciola sui forum) e sperando che ti apra nuove strade su aspetti che, forse, prima non avevi considerato.

Quando si racconta una storia, devi sempre ricordare che i personaggi, se scritti bene, diventano una parte empatizzata degli utenti e quindi, prima o poi, è facile trovarsi con o contro tutti i personaggi e tutta la storia.

Non ho più altro da aggiungere, se non buona fortuna per il tuo progetto.

A presto.