VN Can we say there is NTR in my game ?

[_Doux]

Hey guys, my game is about 95%.
I'm taking care of every detail. And I'm also polishing the game. But the question is this:

I'm reading the F95 Survival Guide and I have a question about NTR:

At some point, the MC's step-sister decides to go out with a guy (who won't appear), she says she's going to have sex with him. (The sex scenes won't be show).

Is this NTR ?

 

[NebulousShooter]

No, it is not, but judging by this being your only NTR related question, I guess you game caters to a vanilla Harem/Incest/Romance audience, it is better to not have that talk at all, assuming its the only instance it happens. The people that hate ntr are also people that hate hearing about LI, potential LI, or family members' sexual experiences, while not being ntr they have the exact same narrative purpose and evoke the same type of emotion out of the player.

That doesn't mean you should not write LI that are already in a relationship at the start of the game, it just means people don't want to know sexual details of that relationship, think of this concept something like 'out of sight, out of mind'.
Being a DIK is a masterclass in this, a majority of the secondary characters are sex workers, yet most are fan favorite characters and rarely will you see people complain about NTR. Everyone know that they are sluts, but the game never rubs it in the player's face, we don't catch them in the act, don't see photos and videos of it, we don't hear them fondly remember how many dicks they sucked and what gangbang sluts they were in the past, its all about the type of atmosphere your game projects.

This is something a lot of devs fail to get when they add these 'technically not ntr' type of content and then are surprised they get backlash, it has the same narrative purpose, doesn't matter how you define it(which trust me, people love to get stuck on their definitions). You can write a slutty girl without making her as undesirable as possible as a romance option.

Good luck with your game!

 

[desmosome]

Man, just write whatever the fuck you want. You are the one writing it, so you should know what the intent behind the scenario is.

It can be a netori set up where some typically deranged incest MC steals her from her lover. It can be a realistic situation where MC's sister wants to date some dude and wants advice from her well-adjusted brother. It can be a "sex positive" narrative that doesn't shame women for having sex. And yes, it can even be NTR that is designed in a way to emasculate the MC and make players feel bad.

But yes, regardless of what you intended and how you framed it, there will be crazies who will be frothing at the mouth that they pirated a game that makes their penis sad. If you don't want to deal with any of that shit, you could consider axing that whole arc if it's not something you find important to the overall story and characters.

 

[Loro]

Since you don't say anything more than you already said about the game, I can only guess and assume.

Strictly judged: She is his stepsister. They are family. It should be impossible for NTR feelings to exist between them in the first place, because they are family. But if you go the Incest (or even Incest+Harem) route: When MC already has feelings for his stepsister by the time his stepsister tells him about another boy and how she is going to have sex with him, then it slightly gives off the feeling of NTR in that moment, even if you reassure the player later on, that nothing happened. Becuase it will (probably) take time until you reassure the player, that nothing actually happened. But when the point of 'having feelings for each other' was not reached yet, then I would say, that no one would care. I think it is all about the context, where and when you make this scene happen. You could even use that as 'I want to make the MC envious' or even as a trigger scene for the MC to finally realize that he has feelings for his stepsister. It is all about how you use that scene and in what context it will appear, and how far and deep the romance is developed. Another example: The MC could be easy-going and has a 'friends with benefits' relationship with his stepsister and with many other girls, too. Then it wouldn't even matter, if the stepsister tries dating someone else once in a while, to find real love.

In the end, it actually all depends on you: Do you like NTR and did you plan to add NTR? If you dislike NTR, you will know yourself if the scene feels like NTR or not. If you like NTR, you will proably know the limits, when NTR starts or not. For that, you consider context, story and relationship progression.

 

[Danv]

At some point, the MC's step-sister decides to go out with a guy (who won't appear), she says she's going to have sex with him. (The sex scenes won't be show).

is step-sister in relationship with MC? -> it is NTR
will she be in relationship with MC in future? -> it's not NTR, but people won't like it
she is not a LI -> it's not NTR, but some people probably still won't like it

whenever you show scene or not doesn't matter

 

[_Doux]

is step-sister in relationship with MC? -> it is NTR
will she be in relationship with MC in future? -> it's not NTR, but people won't like it
she is not a LI -> it's not NTR, but some people probably still won't like it

whenever you show scene or not doesn't matter

Please, let me know what LI means. I'm Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker.

 

[Danv]

Please, let me know what LI means. I'm Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker.

love interest - character who have intimate relationship with MC, common term in adult visual novels or porn games in general

 

[_Doux]

Man, just write whatever the fuck you want. You are the one writing it, so you should know what the intent behind the scenario is.

It can be a netori set up where some typically deranged incest MC steals her from her lover. It can be a realistic situation where MC's sister wants to date some dude and wants advice from her well-adjusted brother. It can be a "sex positive" narrative that doesn't shame women for having sex. And yes, it can even be NTR that is designed in a way to emasculate the MC and make players feel bad.

But yes, regardless of what you intended and how you framed it, there will be crazies who will be frothing at the mouth that they pirated a game that makes their penis sad. If you don't want to deal with any of that shit, you could consider axing that whole arc if it's not something you find important to the overall story and characters.

The MC don't have a relashionship with her, he is just interested in have sex with her. This scene is important to show to player a flaw she has. But do you think I better delet It?

 

[_Doux]

No, it is not, but judging by this being your only NTR related question, I guess you game caters to a vanilla Harem/Incest/Romance audience, it is better to not have that talk at all, assuming its the only instance it happens. The people that hate ntr are also people that hate hearing about LI, potential LI, or family members' sexual experiences, while not being ntr they have the exact same narrative purpose and evoke the same type of emotion out of the player.

That doesn't mean you should not write LI that are already in a relationship at the start of the game, it just means people don't want to know sexual details of that relationship, think of this concept something like 'out of sight, out of mind'.
Being a DIK is a masterclass in this, a majority of the secondary characters are sex workers, yet most are fan favorite characters and rarely will you see people complain about NTR. Everyone know that they are sluts, but the game never rubs it in the player's face, we don't catch them in the act, don't see photos and videos of it, we don't hear them fondly remember how many dicks they sucked and what gangbang sluts they were in the past, its all about the type of atmosphere your game projects.

This is something a lot of devs fail to get when they add these 'technically not ntr' type of content and then are surprised they get backlash, it has the same narrative purpose, doesn't matter how you define it(which trust me, people love to get stuck on their definitions). You can write a slutty girl without making her as undesirable as possible as a romance option.

Good luck with your game!

Thank you for you answer. Please read what I answered to our friend "desmosome". I would like to know your opinion too.

 

[NebulousShooter]

But yes, regardless of what you intended and how you framed it, there will be crazies who will be frothing at the mouth that they pirated a game that makes their penis sad. If you don't want to deal with any of that shit, you could consider axing that whole arc if it's not something you find important to the overall story and characters.

I suggest to think of this forum as potential costumers, since he is starting out, for good, or bad this is the biggest AVN site on the internet, if his major target audience hates a certain type of content, why should he purposely shoot himself in the foot? Just to prove a point?

Do what you want sound good on paper, but in practice only works if he does it as a hobby with no financial incentive in mind. If not, its always wise to pick his crowd early and stick with it, it gets more followers and less headaches with endless confrontations.

The MC don't have a relashionship with her, he is just interested in have sex with her. This scene is important to show to player a flaw she has. But do you think I better delet It?

It depends, if that is major part of the story going forward and you feel the storyline does not work without that scene, then keep it, if not I think its better to not be in the game at all, there are always other less controversial plot devices that can be used. Keep in mind that I don't know the extent of the story like you do, same will happen when the players play your first release, they will judge the scenes for what is already in the game, they don't know where it will end up going and how it will get resolved. First impressions are important.