ChipLecsap

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My impression is that Josy is more of a DIK girl but is CHICK-neutral because of Maya
another one of the weakest aspect of DPC's writing is that instead of just focus on writing the characters, most specifically the girls, and let them grow. He decided to lock them in to a certian affinity too, which is preventing them to be actually develop as characters, becasue they can't step out of the role he wrote for them.

this also cause him inconsistency, and throw some curveballs at the players. Lets look at Nicole, while status and affinity not the same, ( - and frankly when an MC has oposite status compared to his affinity he kind of feels like some kind of bipolar character - )

earlier its seems Nicole is more for a Dik MC , you had to make Dik major choice to decide to party without limits, and you had to have Dik status to get her Blowjob, or anal scene. and out of nowhere, many many episode later he throw a curve ball at the player, by making it a requirement to have Chick affinity for her full lewd scene in episode 10.

Josy is kind of the same. RP+ for lots of dick comments and actions, but then she back down and compare you to steve. Hell even with Jill in the latest episode if you " Bully tybalt, " during yoga, that is an RP + with her.

DPC should have never do this whole affinity thing for the characters, it's limit the characters, now he probably see it but its to late
 
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My impression is that Josy is more of a DIK girl but is CHICK-neutral because of Maya
Josy for sure has a dik side to her if any girl truly is in the middle with affinity it Josy she at the very least is neutral
 

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another one of the weakest aspect of DPC's wiritting is that instead of just focus on writing the characters, most specifically the girls, and let them grow. He decided to lock them in to a certian affinity too, which is preventing them to be actually develop as characters, becasue they can't step out of the role he wrote for them.

this also cause him inconsistency, and throw some curveballs at the players. Lets look at Nicole, while status and affinity not the same, ( - and frankly when an MC has oposite status compared to his affinity he kind of feels like some kind of bipolar character - )

earlier its seems Nicole is more for a Dik MC , you had to make Dik major choice to decide to party without limits, and you had to have Dik status to get her Blowjob, or anal scene. and out of nowhere, many many episode later he throw a curve ball at the player, by making it a requirement to have Chick affinity for her full lewd scene in episode 10.

Josy is kind of the same. RP+ for lots of dick comments and actions, but then she back down and compare you to steve. Hell even with Jill in the latest episode if you " Bully tybalt, " during yoga, that is an RP + with her.

DPC should have never do this whole affinity thing for the characters, it's limit the characters, now he probably see it but its to late
I think it's hard to deal with potential inconsistencies in a story like this regardless. I suspect influencing and corrupting girls would be a branching nightmare. It would be quite inconsistent if Maya and Josy accepts you in episode 4 and the Maya tells you that she likes you because you are like a girl if you have picked every DIK options. Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc.
 

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Josy for sure has a dik side to her if any girl truly is in the middle with affinity it Josy she at the very least is neutral
A nice thing with Josy is also that she really likes the MC regardless of what alignment he has, even though she is too scared to be honest about it in episode 4
 

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I think it's hard to deal with potential inconsistencies in a story like this regardless. I suspect influencing and corrupting girls would be a branching nightmare. It would be quite inconsistent if Maya and Josy accepts you in episode 4 and the Maya tells you that she likes you because you are like a girl if you have picked every DIK options. Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc.
it's not about influencing them, it's simply just let them a having consistent personality, that is not limited in to a box. Also what you mentioned " Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc." - has nothing do do with Maya, it was always stupid approach from dpc, that a bunch of decision that not relate to the girls are define your relationship with them
 

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A nice thing with Josy is also that she really likes the MC regardless of what alignment he has, even though she is too scared to be honest about it in episode 4
Early on if MC has to many dik points Josy won't text mc a sexy pic and won't like MC's flirting but passed ep 4 she is ok with it
 

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it's not about influencing them, it's simply just let them a having consistent personality, that is not limited in to a box. Also what you mentioned " Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc." - has nothing do do with Maya, it was always stupid approach from dpc, that a bunch of decision that not relate to the girls are define your relationship with them
I meant that a DIK MC is clearly not acting like a girl based on the choices that he makes so Maya's comment wouldn't make sense. I don't think the level of inconsistency is that bad to be honest, it could be worse.
 

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I meant that a DIK MC is clearly not acting like a girl based on the choices that he makes so Maya's comment wouldn't make sense. I don't think the level of inconsistency is that bad to be honest, it could be worse.
and Yet, she say that to a Dik affinity MC anyway :LOL:
 

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Early on if MC has to many dik points Josy won't text mc a sexy pic and won't like MC's flirting but passed ep 4 she is ok with it
after you end up in a relationship with her She not give a fuck about dick choices, and often give rp+, for it , unless it's involve Maya too.
Maya holding her back, so much . . .:rolleyes:
 

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and Yet, she say that to a Dik affinity MC anyway :LOL:
Ehm she will reject a DIK MC no? And then instead of calling you a girl she wants you to stop saying beautiful words.

Or maybe you mean if you are right at the edge of neutral and then you pick a fight with Caleb right before the prep party. Sure that makes you a DIK but still borderline.
 

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Ehm she will reject a DIK MC no? And then instead of calling you a girl she wants you to stop saying beautiful words.

Or maybe you mean if you are right at the edge of neutral and then you pick a fight with Caleb right before the prep party. Sure that makes you a DIK but still borderline.
You can have massive DIK status and DIK affinity and Maya will still like you as long as you were neutral in ep 4, that's a big inconsistency. Same with Jill, status doesn't matter as long as you are not DIK affinity, status actually affects the dialogue and normal interactions with LIs, affinity only affects the big decisions that MC makes, DIK status should actually matter more than DIK affinity, but status makes no difference to how LIs see MC.

There's actually an argument to be made that Maya likes MC on all affinities but doesn't trust a DIK affinity MC not to hurt her, she kisses MC on all affinities, even if you have minus RP with her
 
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You can have massive DIK status and DIK affinity and Maya will still like you as long as you were neutral in ep 4, that's a big inconsistency. Same with Jill, status doesn't matter as long as you are not DIK affinity, status actually affects the dialogue and normal interactions with LIs, affinity only affects the big decisions that MC makes, DIK status should actually matter more than DIK affinity, but status makes no difference to how LIs see MC.

There's actually an argument to be made that Maya likes MC on all affinities but doesn't trust a DIK affinity MC not to hurt her, she kisses MC on all affinities, even if you have minus RP with her
As I understand it there is a big difference between status and affinity. Status is based on minor choices that you make and affects some decisions you can make and dialogues. But affinity determines what kind of vibes you send out. Girls will pick up on DIK or CHICK vibes easily but not on status unless they learn about what you did (Like Becky telling Maya and Josy that you flirted with her). Status is more of a secret so to speak.

I'm not saying that there are no potential inconsistencies only that it could be way worse. Also as I said if you have DIK affinity when Maya calls you a girl she is basing that on previous encounters when you were at least neutral.
 

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As I understand it there is a big difference between status and affinity. Status is based on minor choices that you make and affects some decisions you can make and dialogues. But affinity determines what kind of vibes you send out. Girls will pick up on DIK or CHICK vibes easily but not on status unless they learn about what you did (Like Becky telling Maya and Josy that you flirted with her). Status is more of a secret so to speak.

I'm not saying that there are no potential inconsistencies only that it could be way worse. Also as I said if you have DIK affinity when Maya calls you a girl she is basing that on previous encounters when you were at least neutral.
But that makes no sense when you actually think about it. Affinity is based on the major choices, status is based on the interactions you have with other characters (including LIs).

The major choices that decide your affinity are:

  1. Fight Troy or storm off.
  2. Quinn's restaurant.
  3. Comfort Steve or not.
  4. Fight the Jocks or run away.
  5. Party without limits at the Pink Rose.
  6. Fuck Jade.
  7. Rooftop smoke.
  8. Caleb fight.
  9. Punch Tybalt.
  10. Fight Tommy.
  11. Fake ID.
  12. Retirement home or Pink Rose.
  13. Make Alphas leave HOTs party.
Once you get through those options you then have your permanent affinity set, now lets look at what the LIs would know about the decisions:

  1. MC tells Bella (who doesn't care about affinity) but none of the other LIs know.
  2. No LI knows about the restaurant at all, let alone MC's use of it.
  3. No LI would know about this at all, Josy is the only LI who knows Steve exists and she hates him so has no reason to be in contact with him.
  4. Sage knows because she sees MC immediately afterwards (but like Bella she doesn't care about affinity) however I don't think the Jocks would brag about getting beaten in a 3 on 1 fight, or even that they won a 3 on 1 fight, I don't think this decision is public knowledge (except for Sage).
  5. Other than MC finishing the night doing pole dancing of his own nothing that happened there is public knowledge. (Maya knows what happened when he got back to the dorm but we don't know what happened either).
  6. Totally secret for now (unless you made the DIK status decision to show the DIKs, but even then it's unlikely the LIs have any knowledge of it).
  7. The DIKs know (thanks to Jacob) so knowledge may have leaked, but no-one talks about it so that seems unlikely.
  8. A fight ending in a draw isn't good gossip, no reason to think any LI knows about it.
  9. Jill and Bella definitely find out about this, Tybalt is disliked enough to believe this would be gossip and the other LIs could know about it too.
  10. Josy and Maya know about it, otherwise not public knowledge.
  11. Only public knowledge if you take the status decision to post the cluck selfie with Nicole and Sandy.
  12. This one is public knowledge because you post the cluck from the retirement home if you take that option.
  13. Only Jacob knows that you had any influence over that. I don't think he'd be bragging that MC got rid of the Alphas because he was too scared to talk to a girl while they were there.

So it's clear that the majority of the decisions that decide MCs affinity are not know by the LIs. Individual LIs would only know 2 or 3 at most of the decisions that decide whether they like MC or not. Meanwhile the everyday interactions that they have with MC which decide his status have no impact on whether they like him or not.
 
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The point I was trying to make (though admittedly worded badly) was his mindset in making the game. I don't think he's really interested in the story, writing it is just a chore that enables him to enjoy his hobby while making a living. I also don't think he's much concerned with finishing it. He seems to do just enough to keep his patrons happy, then when that's out of the way he can go back to enjoying those things that interest him.
Why wouldn't he finish the game? This is his life’s project, his alma mater, no matter how he feels about it. There are no prerequisites that indicate that he is losing interest, burnt out from the project and intends to abandon it. He continues to provide feedback and work steadily on the game, no matter what. He took time off a couple of times, but that was it.
There was already one guy, Arigon. He predicted that Ep.10 would be the last. It didn't come true.
Probably they are, already. We are at the place of the story where there is no space to grow but to reveal the secrets, get the answers instead of bring the new questions and manage branches which we already have.

DPC told about SGs already. He will satisfy all possible paths in general but only partially in each new episode, speaking of SGs. Some of SGs will have nothing from time to time and they will exchange from episode to episode. We already seen it in EP9 and EP10 and even before in S1-2. And the most part of content will be getting the side girls with a real potential paths, while the ones with filler role (Camila, Sarah, Mel, a bunch of dormies, etc) are exist only to bring us some lewd scenes from time to time. MGs are in much better position, they will always get content and amount of it will be balanced as much as possible.
I forgot I'm talking to Kpyna and you love long posts. Fuck me :HideThePain:
There is some truth here, SGs are divided into two types - those with full-fledged relationships, and others just for fucking. We see that those who focus on relationships will receive their own blocks of content every episode - Riona (Ep11 - ?), Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Zoey. They all received some kind of activity (not necessarily lewds) in both Eps 9 and 10. At the same time, Sarah/Mel and Camila continue to receive episodic content. They were practically absent in Ep.10
Long animations was new for EP9, but now it's a routine and with his new rigs it's not a big deal either. He was quite modest with animations in EP10 btw. The only long one was a BBQ party intro. Nothing compared to EP9 3 long ass animations.

Regarding 60 fps... well, probably he should use the middle path and do interpolation instead of native 60 fps rendering. But honestly, 60 fps is looks much smoother than 30. If it doesn't increase the development time and makes him happy, since rigs don't stay idle periodically - I'm ok with them. The thing is, that the 30fps will probably won't decrease the dev time either. At least now.
By the way, I remember that DPC said that the openings and endings of the episodes would be fully animated, which was not the case in Ep.10, apparently he refused this. It is possible that the criticism of long animations reached the DPC, and he heard it. He will never admit that it was a mistake, but he can quietly remove it or reduce it.
What else mini-games do you expect? I think he didn't lied when he said he did the base work and most of them till the rest of the game. He is done with them for Season 3 and I don't expect something significant or brand new in Season 4, because this season supposed to be quite special and the last half of it will barely have something like new mini-games. Probably none at all, since we will be in the phase of highly branched story outcomes and endings. Even if he will bring some new ones, they will not be so complicated and difficult to code as it was with the party planner and so on.
Something small can be added in a winter setting. The same snowball games. Honestly, I don't mind it. Snowballs are fun.

Now to the free roams and big events. How much of this did we had in EP10? 3 events, mostly. DIK mansion party aftermath and cleaning. BBQ party and Thanksgiving at Maya's place. All other ones are minor and was ranged from middle to tiny ones. And he mentioned that he already done with at least 2 big events (probably free roams). And that sounded promising. Because the other facts are:

- more than 50% of lewd scenes are done and only 8 was left 2 weeks ago and he said that 2 more was almost ready. So at this moment and probably following the next status updates he will only have to complete the 6. And this is amazing, since it's not only about the posing, but rendering them too. It's safe to assume that they are completely done - posed and rendered.

- mini-games are done, tweaking and adding content to the existent ones is quite easy task.

- at least 2 big events (free roams) are done too, which compairing to EP10 is also more than 50% currently.

The rest and major part of work left are canon and branched scenes, static renders and writing.


Throwing 1-2 lewd scenes for 1-time fuck purposes as it was with Heather in EP9 or dorm girls in EP8 is not that hard.


I'm not so sure about the last episodes and such potential huge development time for them. He will have to unroll all the possible outcomes of branches and sub-branches and not fuck up and spoil the whole game, because the end is the most important part, bring us consequences and so on, but at the same time the last episodes are usually quite linear. I'm not even sure that we will have a free roams (at least the big ones) and mini-games in the last episodes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it useful in the epilogue part.

Despite all his obsession and constant desire to add or improve something, he is still aware that the game cannot be in development for 10 years or even more. And that the time for such games is running out and that the gap in quality between the first and last episodes is getting bigger and bigger. It's no news that many players are scared off by the visual part of the first season. Because you have to hook and hold on the old players and bring the new ones. What the new ones have to start with? Right, from the first episodes, the first season... The more years will past from now, the more awful it will look and feel for new players and the more old players will be lost due to different circumstances. At the same time, it is also impossible to remaster and pause the current development in order to bring the game and its visual part to a common denominator at the moment, and he has already expressed his point of view on this matter. That if it will be done, it will be only after the release of the final episode.
I'll be honest, let it be as you say. I myself want the episodes to come out as soon as possible. Nobody likes to wait, and I am no exception. Plus BaD spoils me a lot - I play no more than 10 high-quality AVNs, the game has raised the quality bar for me, so I can't kill time with other AVNs. We'll see how it goes. But in order not to get too upset in the future, I set a time limit for myself of one year. If the release is faster, that's good.
 
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