BSoda

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tell the story, you like and tell it, how you prefer
you aren't paid by anybody here to make anything different
If you only take one thing away from this thread, L&P, let it be this.

Of course it's good to look at criticism, but be careful evaluating it. Imo you already listen *too* much and take some things too personal. Do your thing.

It got you to 3k / month and atm you seem to see a small upwards trend in your monthly donations. You're obviously doing something right.
 

hoeschy

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I liked the update a lot. Keep the pace and stay true to your original idea. Don't let the "I just want to fap" comments bother you. Character building is a very strong part in your game and you did a great job. I love the sexual tension in your scenes and can't wait to see what the future brings. Good job.
 
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N1K17Y

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okay i guess this is the type of game which tries to build things slowly and realistic. and yeah i admit the dev really puts attention to set up different scenes not use the same 3 images for thousand of words. yeah yeah its all great, except the only problem is that the writing SUCKS. which for what he is trying is FUNDAMENTAL. with other games (90%) where the writing is shit, it aint that huge of a deal, since dialogue isnt that much and isnt the focus and it serves the basic purpose to advance the plot (which is shitty as the dialogue) so you can get to the sex scenes. with this game problem is, its text heavy and there are no sex scenes.
i wanted to shoot myself on the intro. but i said come on thats not fair. well sorry but i endured it until day 2. then just skipped until the end to see if there is a sex scene.
@Lust&Passion YOU NEED TO HIRE A WRITER
 
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titokm10

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Sam is a very important character in different ways later. He has also a gradual approach to Sophia but in a different way than Dylan. The same goes for Ellie.

I've always informed my patrons about what I'm doing yet and the current stat. If I'd really abandon this project one day I'd definitely inform everyone. But this isn't sure now because I just want myself to finish it so bad because otherwise all the events I wrote for over a year would be in vain!

You have to read my statement on my patreon site! There I've wrote that some elements are deliberately lifted to make the change more evident later!
Why dont you get some help im pretty sure a lot of people in the forum have experience and they would help you fast forward things..
 

Ignazzio

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Actually writing is quite nice and natural. Especially for a non-native. No doubt it's much better than 90% of games we have here. If I didn't know dev I'd say he's female with how natural text feels. Guys usually are incredibly sex-focused in comparison.
 

Ignatz

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Actually, I think the writing is fine, it's the translation that is a bit clunky. You can see the characteristic problems endemic to Google translate (or whatever translation program being used). It shows up in syntax and tense confusion as well as possessives.

So, to amend the previous (over-enthusiastic) poster's request, I really think L&P could use an English proofreader. While there are many, many words in this game, you may be able to get volunteers from some of your patrons.
 

Blockout

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Quite a terrible news. Patreon is such a crappy platform for development. Guy is making over 3k in a couple of months which is a huuuge success nowadays and he keeps growing. But that's not enough for him he's cutting off all these elements that made him special. In a year or 2 he would most likely achieved his goals but it's just impossible to do it quickly right now. Sad to say that but you can't be a Patreon dev for a living at this point if you live in a Germany or similiary rich country. Depressing example of a highest quality VN we have on Patreon and delusional development plan.
Uh you can live in Germany if you earn $3.000|2600€/month. Even before taxes.

Just how expensive do you think it is in Germany?
 
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Ignazzio

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Uh you can live in Germany if you earn $3.000|2600€/month. Even before taxes.

Just how expensive do you think it is in Germany?
Full time development is not cheap. You can live and even then you're below average for a graduate. But to afford hardware and comfortable life you need like twice of that at least. Not to say at some point you have to pay other people. For 3000$ in Russia and many Eastern European countries you can live much above average for a half a year and more. There is a reason why most of the creators on Patreon is from Russia. That's crappy but I can't see anyone without a huge patience going for a full-tme development of erotic games on Patreon in country like Germany. Doing such a thing as a hobby or a part-time is fine but unless you reach a highest-tier level on Patreon it's too expensive to live out of it there. This dev is seriously cash focused so it's troublesome for him to live there. I see some opportunity in new Steam aproach but he would have to finish this game first. It would take years even tho it would probably give him a fortune
 
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Blockout

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Full time development is not cheap.
Once you have the rig you are set up. Electricity won't bankrupt you.


You can live and even then you're below average for a graduate.
Well you aren't doing a graduates work. So you earn less.


But to afford hardware and comfortable life you need like twice of that at least.
Hardware is basically a one-time investment and a comfortable life is a ridiculous demand.
Especially since he already earns above the median.


so it's troublesome for him to live there
Then how is everyone else surviving? Most people earn way less.

For crying out loud...
 
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Ignazzio

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Once you have the rig you are set up. Electricity won't bankrupt you.




Well you aren't doing a graduates work. So you earn less.




Hardware is basically a one-time investment and a comfortable life is a ridiculous demand.
Especially since he already earns above the median.




Then how is everyone else surviving? Most people earn way less.

For crying out loud...
He left his college to develop this game so he can expect higher wage than a typical graduate. Live is not about survival. Hardware is nothing like a one time investment but even if it was, most of the funds go for other people you have to hire. Even Russians have problems to hire people with 3k and that's something crucial as you can't develop such a game yourself. Even simple VN is demanding, and this one for a smooth progression would require a decent team of developers. All in all it's just how he mostly described his situation a couple of times. Everything under 9k$ is a failure for him even tho he's probably the most succesful new dev on Patreon and nowadays such tiers are unreachable in fast pace. As always I hope he's wrong and he'll take it slowly but who knows
 
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Frankline

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0.4 ver - no sex. So how it will be in the all near update:
SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP - Sex, SKIP, SEX close

This game already big, I skip most of the scene, because they useless. #1

And this game WITH OUT CHOICE - this is bullshit. I cant make her vulgar with out been cheap whore - this is the problem #2
 

Blockout

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He left his college to develop this game so he can expect higher wage than a typical graduate.
No he can't because he isn't a graduate yet. He's a student that has paused his studies.
Most students work in not well paying jobs because they 1. Don't have the time or qualifications for a full-time job and 2. Because University is not that expensive in Germany.


Live is not about survival. Hardware is nothing like a one time investment but even if it was
So what kind of Hardware does he have to purchase every month? I'd really like to know.

And sure life is not only about survival. That said: HE IS EARNING ABOVE THE MEDIAN ALREADY.
Do you know what the median income is?


most of the funds go for other people you have to hire.
But that hasn't happened yet. And I doubt that it will.


Everything under 9k$ is a failure for him
And that is crazy talk. Just crazy talk.
7.777€/month before taxes
Holy crap. That's the income of two graduates in Germany.
Of that around 4.100€ should still be there after taxes.
That is almost 50k/year. The median in Luxembourg, the country with the highest median on earth was $36.399 in 2010, or 31.450€. Keep in mind that this was the median income of the entire household, so 2 working parents in most cases.

So even above the median in Luxembourg.


Like seriously... what the hell.
 
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Hyped

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No he can't because he isn't a graduate yet. He's a student that has paused his studies.
Most students work in not well paying jobs because they 1. Don't have the time or qualifications for a full-time job and 2. Because University is not that expensive in Germany.




So what kind of Hardware does he have to purchase every month? I'd really like to know.

And sure life is not only about survival. That said: HE IS EARNING ABOVE THE MEDIAN ALREADY.
Do you know what the median income is?




But that hasn't happened yet. And I doubt that it will.




And that is crazy talk. Just crazy talk.
7.777€/month before taxes
Holy crap. That's the income of two graduates in Germany.
Of that around 4.100€ should still be there after taxes.
That is almost 50k/year. The median in Luxembourg, the country with the highest median on earth was $36.399 in 2010, or 31.450€. Keep in mind that this was the median income of the entire household, so 2 working parents in most cases.

So even above the median in Luxembourg.


Like seriously... what the hell.
GPU cards burn out pretty fast. Often with rendering, you'll need to purchase replacements.

When discussing income, please remember that this is not something he can add to his resume. Compared to a regular job, this isn't experience he can talk about or get paid for. He's losing precious years from the prime of his life. A year in your twenties is worth a whole lot more than one in your sixties.

I think its great that he's being honest upfront about what it'll take for him to do this long term. Considering all the risks, like patreon shutting him down and him being without any income for months.
 
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Lust&Passion

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Since You are here L&P

You say you have game written down with every event over 30 days.
Can you at least tell us at what point we can expect any real Sexual scenes inside the game ?

We can get any HJ/BJ from non-husband character arround day 10 ?
Seeing first dick-in-vagina sex arround 15 or later still ?

I guess If I had any complaint to this version of the game and day 5 it was that it didnt move any relationship forwards realy. (Well Ellie and Julia maybe).

I was kind of hoping for something like at least kiss from Sam at this point.

Nevertheless - game is realy well done, and is keeping us intrested, wondering how will the story unfold rather than simply gattering points and getting checkpoint sex scenes.
Well, closest to that is of course still with the husband. I mean they are married and the others need an approach first. After all, Sophia is everything but a slut! Something definitely really "wild" what is not with the husband is planned the first time for playable day 16 and it will be something no one will definitely expect at the moment! I think it's one of the highlights in the story. Before, there will be a lot of other hot scenes and much more lucid approaches which are not "casual events"! As far as I can tell now, there won't even be such "casual events" anymore.
And the problem with the updates is, that people awaiting every update to get lewder and lewder. But this is a developing story which has many plot lines. I already said that I'm not developing porn episodes for every update. Why the last update was lewder than this one is because I had to include these few scenes for people who wanted to see a little more. And I put much effort into them. But after reading how disappointed many have still been, I decided that I just follow my script from now on and let it develop like I planned from the beginning because the most won't be satisfied before a hardcore gang bang including people, dogs and donkeys! That's why I also won't put such a huge effort anymore in wife/husband sex scenes, except at the very end of the story where you get some "reward options" for being a good wife!

okay i guess this is the type of game which tries to build things slowly and realistic. and yeah i admit the dev really puts attention to set up different scenes not use the same 3 images for thousand of words. yeah yeah its all great, except the only problem is that the writing SUCKS. which for what he is trying is FUNDAMENTAL. with other games (90%) where the writing is shit, it aint that huge of a deal, since dialogue isnt that much and isnt the focus and it serves the basic purpose to advance the plot (which is shitty as the dialogue) so you can get to the sex scenes. with this game problem is, its text heavy and there are no sex scenes.
i wanted to shoot myself on the intro. but i said come on thats not fair. well sorry but i endured it until day 2. then just skipped until the end to see if there is a sex scene.
@Lust&Passion YOU NEED TO HIRE A WRITER
So, you mean someone, who will just delete 50% of the text and renders? Well, actually I could do this myself. From the actual point of view, yeah, I think there is too much text and renders, and I should have reduced it. But this is my first project and I've been just too ambitious. But you know, there are a lot of people supporting me who say that they like to read more, what gives you a better insight into the characters and make everything more authentic. There are also a lot of hints in many dialogues for further events! Much text results also from many characters with whom you can talk! Actually, today I'd really like to reduce it a bit because the great majority just don't like to read much and just want to get to the action as fast as possible, and just screw a build up and dialogues, where you get a lot of hints for future events! But on the other hand it's also a huge pity to delete a lot of renders for which I've spent hundreds of hours of development! And actually it's also a really funny thing to criticize someone so extremely, because he is more ambitious than others and puts more effort in his project. Even if I think myself, that it should be a little less text and renders.
 
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I followed the game for a couple updates before becoming a patron, so I think there's something to be said for the quality of their work output.

That said, if you read this Lust&Passion, have you considered shifting to a more "standard" vn style where there's a couple CGs to set the scene initially, and then a couple more to show actions, but with majority of the dialogue using character cutouts with various expressions/poses? That might help with trimming down on scene rendering while not needing to cut text, I can think of some moments like the Sophia/Alyssa conversation where that would work well.

Of course maybe by now that would feel out of place or maybe rendering a scene from different angles isn't that work intensive, I've never done it.

If you're a "Good Wife" and u use the subway, you'll get to see the guys who were staring at Sophia and her sister at the park, they'll come to Sophia and touch Sophia's boobs but then Sophia will use her pepper spray
This is an area that could be improved/adjusted, I think. For example, I was avoiding the son one time and had an event where the MC woke up and had a drink of water, then went to bed. It was pretty inexplicable, until I did another run with more son points, where it turned out that there's an eavesdropping scene that I was missing. I'm not sure what the right answer is though, a pop-up saying your score wasn't high enough to trigger the scene?
 
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