VN Ren'Py Completed Freeloading Family [v0.32] [FFCreations]

[Ares02]

actually, I don't think that's NTR at all...

NTR has some pretty rules, even if not that neat...
a. the protagonist is the one cuckolded (or often cuckolded from first partner, when protagonist is female)
b. there's a betrayal going behind the back of the cuckolded
c. the whole point of the act is to steal the partner from the cuckolded

but here
a -> the protagonist isn't cuckolded because he and the girl aren't a couple or even promised to be. Actually it seems more to me that she is flirting with the protagonist, while Leah is her fuckbuddy (but I wouldn't too surprised to see another "buddy" maybe even male coming in...). The point is, Leah was there first, if someone calls for netorare, it's Leah the one getting cuckolded (I doubt Alice has said she's letting the protagonist getting plenty of eyeful and handful of hers on daily basis), but they aren't even a couple, and Alice is adamant on this, so it doesn't apply.
b -> no betrayal, protagonist knows and is quite cool with it... probably because... he is the one coming in second. And he is even getting some extra from it.
So, in the end, the one that could have been betrayed (if this could be the case) is, again, Leah.
c -> no one is trying to steal anything, at least. Leah has already what she wants between her hands (literally?). And the protagonist at the moment is only quietly flirting, grabbing some boobs and ogling uncladed pubes.

so, I think that, at worst, this could be called "sex triangle" or.... worst come to worst.... "public use" (somehow I would like to see that °__° )
As a note, if the protagonist is the one stealing the partner, is a netori (which, for instance, is a common occurence in many "romantic movies")



Anyway, speaking of important things, I did see the image in the gallery, but can't find a way to have Alice stroke my prick, after the shower before Leah comes...

 

[gestved]

this relation was probably the way the dev found to make the MC fuck leah in the future

he is already pretty close to making out with sister, but lesbian leah has no reason to fuck MC, but if she is in a relationship with sister and MC is in a relationship with sister, them the bridge is built for sexual development

melody for example doesn't need an excuse as she is a slut and if she fucks MC next update no one will find it weird, leah on the other hand is another story

 

[Pathvader]

I can't get upset about two woman hooking up

for me it just adds to the hype, and I think I'm in the majority here

lesbian NTR is good NTR, just saying

For me it is more of the attitude of Leah towards MC even after he is the one getting her what she wanted. And I guess I would be more of the minority here. Seeing as I have actually been married to a bi-sexual woman. We agreed to threesomes only as her way of fulfilling that desire. (Mainly because I told her sex is sex regardless if its man/woman or woman/woman and if she was going to go out and get some so was I. She didn't like the idea of me being with someone and her not being there. So it worked for us.) But on multiple occasions I let her have her female companions all to herself, while I slept in other bed room, so I have actually lived that part of this game in a sense. But that would never have happened if the other women had Leah's attitude. Since Alice pretty much told her that the MC was the one who approved her coming over and all. Seems to me like she would have at the very least said thank you to him and if nothing else would be nicer to him and be not trying to rub it in his face that she was fucking Alice and he was not included. I know it would ruin the incest part of this game but I think the MC should tell sis to f off and then just go after Melody and the teacher. Enough other women in the game to make it playable and enjoyable without having to deal with Alice and bitch. And as I said before I know some will enjoy this form of game play, but it would be nice for the rest of us to not be subjected to it. Like some other games that allow you to turn that off and it just doesn't show those scenes, instead of not saying it is in the game and then throwing it at us as a cliff hanger and calling it plot.

 

[User_10739]

To me when Leah comes into the bathroom and declares herself as the Alpha and the MC backs down, it was game over for me. With the second sex scene that sealed the fate. If Leah had gone home and Alice slept with MC after, even giving him a peck on the cheek and a thank you, all would have been forgiven. Likewise MC should have put Leah in her place in the bathroom basically telling her "the only reason you are here is because I let it happen."

To me it is kinda like the I-train got derailed (maybe to appease Patreon?) and you will have no choice but to pursue other love interests like Melody or teacher (both of which are also trying to dominate you it seems)...

 

[Siddington]

this relation was probably the way the dev found to make the MC fuck leah in the future

he is already pretty close to making out with sister, but lesbian leah has no reason to fuck MC, but if she is in a relationship with sister and MC is in a relationship with sister, them the bridge is built for sexual development

I think you could be right but then I would have to say that it's poor writing. Why write Leah as such a bitch if it was going to be such a bother to get her and the MC together later on because of it. It could of been a fun story line to struggle to convert a bitchy lesbian but Alice didn't need to be involved imo

actually, I don't think that's NTR at all...

"Netorare (寝取られ) is a sexual fetish designed to cause sexual jealousy by way of having the heroine indulge in sexual activity with someone other than the protagonist.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:
1. The heroine either must be romantically involved with the protagonist, a potential romance for him or of someone that the protagonist shares such a close relationship (sister, mother, osananajimi etc.) that jealousy is a factor.

2. Related sexual events are explicitly shown to the player or later described in detail."

NTR isn't just about having a partner stolen from the MC. It's mainly about creating the jealousy the MC/player feels when a potential love interest or someone you care about is sleeping with someone else. Obviously this often ends with the MC losing said love interest but it's not always the case. Alice is the poster girl for this game and I would say it's main love interest. But you, as the MC can do nothing stop Leah and her from happening and are actually made to give your blessing to the relationship whether you want to as the player or not. Obviously this kink is very subjective and it's up to the player how much weight they put into moments like this but it doesn't change it from what it is.

For me it is more of the attitude of Leah towards MC

Yeah I mean you can't help but feel like the MC is just going to end up as a submissive third wheel in any action that he has with Leah and Alice. Basically a dildo on legs. I'm already getting flashbacks to the scenes Max had with Kate and Alice in Big Brother. Leah will tie him to a chair and maybe he'll get some release if he's lucky. I guess some people are into that...

 

[Pathvader]

this relation was probably the way the dev found to make the MC fuck leah in the future

he is already pretty close to making out with sister, but lesbian leah has no reason to fuck MC, but if she is in a relationship with sister and MC is in a relationship with sister, them the bridge is built for sexual development

melody for example doesn't need an excuse as she is a slut and if she fucks MC next update no one will find it weird, leah on the other hand is another story

I can see where you are coming from. But with Leah's attitude and (in truth) Alice's wishy washy attitude towards MC, if the MC has any balls at all and isn't a true gimp, he would drop them both and go for other females in game. Just Leah's attitude towards MC alone makes her not worth fucking (even in a threesome.) Leah's a bitch we all know that so no need to go into detail on her. But with Alice, she tempts MC from start to finish in this game so far, even to the point of laying naked in bed with him (after towel comes off of course) and then as soon as he approves of Leah coming over drops him like a bad habit. So the way it is written Alice is a conniving little tart who was just using the MC to give her some form of comfort since she couldn't have Leah come over.

 

[Pathvader]

To me when Leah comes into the bathroom and declares herself as the Alpha and the MC backs down, it was game over for me. With the second sex scene that sealed the fate. If Leah had gone home and Alice slept with MC after, even giving him a peck on the cheek and a thank you, all would have been forgiven. Likewise MC should have put Leah in her place in the bathroom basically telling her "the only reason you are here is because I let it happen."

To me it is kinda like the I-train got derailed (maybe to appease Patreon?) and you will have no choice but to pursue other love interests like Melody or teacher (both of which are also trying to dominate you it seems)...

Exactly. lol At least I am not the only one to see that.

 

[DonStark]

+1 for the fact we can replace this bitch in place ... i understand that with the pacific path the MC is dominate by Leah, but in perversion i think that will be cool that we can dominate these bitch ( why the teacher and not leah ? ) but yeah leah can eat pussy because the kindness from MC so show some respect bitch xD

 

[Siddington]

So the way it is written Alice is a conniving little tart who was just using the MC to give her some form of comfort since she couldn't have Leah come over.

This exactly, you nailed it. Not only does it make Leah even less appealing than she already was, it also brings into question Alice's attitude towards the MC. She's willing to drop him as soon as she gets free reign with Leah. A person who opening treats her brother like shit in front of her. "I miss spending time with you. We should spend more time together"...my arse. Oh I'm sure we'll find out how immensely grateful she is in the next update but that will just make her look like a slut tbh. So yeah it has ruined Alice too imo.

 

[Pathvader]

I think you could be right but then I would have to say that it's poor writing. Why write Leah as such a bitch if it was going to be such a bother to get her and the MC together later on because of it. It could of been a fun story line to struggle to convert a bitchy lesbian but Alice didn't need to be involved imo



"Netorare (寝取られ) is a sexual fetish designed to cause sexual jealousy by way of having the heroine indulge in sexual activity with someone other than the protagonist.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:
1. The heroine either must be romantically involved with the protagonist, a potential romance for him or of someone that the protagonist shares such a close relationship (sister, mother, osananajimi etc.) that jealousy is a factor.

2. Related sexual events are explicitly shown to the player or later described in detail."

NTR isn't just about having a partner stolen from the MC. It's mainly about creating the jealousy the MC/player feels when a potential love interest or someone you care about is sleeping with someone else. Obviously this often ends with the MC losing said love interest but it's not always the case. Alice is the poster girl for this game and I would say it's main love interest. But you, as the MC can do nothing stop Leah and her from happening and are actually made to give your blessing to the relationship whether you want to as the player or not. Obviously this kink is very subjective and it's up to the player how much weight they put into moments like this but it doesn't change it from what it is.



Yeah I mean you can't help but feel like the MC is just going to end up as a submissive third wheel in any action that he has with Leah and Alice. Basically a dildo on legs. I'm already getting flashbacks to the scenes Max had with Kate and Alice in Big Brother. Leah will tie him to a chair and maybe he'll get some release if he's lucky. I guess some people are into that...

Mmmm Two games with the MC wanting sex from a female bi-sexual/lesbian and they both are named Alice. lol Conspiracy I tell you. lol

 

[Siddington]

Mmmm Two games with the MC wanting sex from a female bi-sexual/lesbian and they both are named Alice. lol Conspiracy I tell you. lol

It'll become a long running gag in future games. If one of the girls is called Alice, the MC will automatically comment that he think she's a lesbian. Just like when we see a guy called Eric, we automatically know he's going to be an arsehole!

 

[sansusername]

Anyway, speaking of important things, I did see the image in the gallery, but can't find a way to have Alice stroke my prick, after the shower before Leah comes...

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[Carlo S]

I should put that on my business cards. But again, just give this one a single update and you'll see this isn't ntr; it's actual plot.

With all my respect, being a former writer, I recognize that his story is very well written, but unfortunately I can not agree, that in this case is not ntr, even if it changes the course of history, has already happened Even with nothing against that

 

[Ares02]

But that would never have happened if the other women had Leah's attitude. Since Alice pretty much told her that the MC was the one who approved her coming over and all. Seems to me like she would have at the very least said thank you to him and if nothing else would be nicer to him and be not trying to rub it in his face that she was fucking Alice and he was not included.

I'm not all into this. Leah is a bitch (in the "jerk" sense), and even Alice remark this when she is trying to make her look better. But for her ways, she is treating the MC quite gently. From the first day, actually (but I suspect there were some "inside" hints from Alice in this matter, that would really make her a real bitch! - this time in the other sense).
If we even want to wildly guess, she is not above going almost naked around the house and doesn't even try covering herself when he barge in the bedroom and they're both naked. So I can see two options.
1. She doesn't care about MC, he is like a bug or a slow doggie
2. She is giving away visual candies as a sort of thanks, and this awkward approach is the only way she can thanks him, as she isn't (still) in the tsundere range (and eat on the other half of the table).

the (1) is relevant to what we did see about her,
but (2) is relevant to what Alice said about her when trying to make her seem less of a jerk
("she is not a bad person, even though she act each and every time as one!")

NTR isn't just about having a partner stolen from the MC. It's mainly about creating the jealousy the MC/player feels when a potential love interest or someone you care about is sleeping with someone else. Obviously this often ends with the MC losing said love interest but it's not always the case. Alice is the poster girl for this game and I would say it's main love interest. But you, as the MC can do nothing stop Leah and her from happening and are actually made to give your blessing to the relationship whether you want to as the player or not. Obviously this kink is very subjective and it's up to the player how much weight they put into moments like this but it doesn't change it from what it is.

yep, all fine (I tried to generalize it all down to earth, make it more simple)
But the point is that, up to now, Alice is NOT a love interest for the MC.
Of course, he likes are, in more than one way, but he is basically a horny teenager with a cool head. So, apparently, he doesn't mind letting her play around.
And she is playing around, because she too admitted Leah is not a love interest. As a perk, she apparently doesn't mind having him pawn her from time to time

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If you look at it this way, is all more linear (ok, it's linear for me, I don't want nor I'm able to force my opinions on people XD ) that they are just a boy and a girl -in very friendly terms- freely pleasuring themselves. I'm not above saying there can be a development on the romantic point of view (something has already been said), or better, I think there would be one, surely. But at the moment his reaction is simply "oh, cool, the housemate that goes naked all the week around is having a lez party in her room... let's see if I can get some fap material out of it".

Ok, you can get jealous even of a friend (oh yeah, highschool was a field day on this matter XD), but that's up to the personal point of view, and apparently not for the MC at the moment.
No romantic interest -> no netorare

But, again, the only NTR I can see is on Leah, that apparently would like a sort of "commited relationship", meanwhile HER love interest flirt and make out with the MC

 

[kiteares]

Soo much to read and too late...so apologies for reiterating.

NTR and all that was new to me until I joined this site, so still coming to grips with it. In some ways it's written I just hate it, in others I have no issue and I can see in both ways if done well can lead to progressing a story well.

I think a lot of the comments need to wait until the following morning...how do Alice and Leah react to the MC, if they turn up thanking him 1st thing it's a sign that a bridge can be built.
However, Leah has been said to be into chicks, so if she is lesbian then while not minding sharing Alice (she was there 1st), even at the same time, she would not under normal circumstances want to have the MC trying to get in her. Leah the bitch may well be a facade and may drop now the MC has been generous, but please don't follow the normal porn thinking of "she just has had the right dick"...
Alice has said she is bi, even leaning to a preference for men so that door is wide open for the MC, even to the point of Leah getting pushed out.
Personally, I think MC missed a few chances to put his foot down - when he said about Leah being nicer to him if he allowed her to come over. And the face off in the bathroom.

Not forgetting there are at least 2 potential routes - Passive and perverse. You want to be a spectator and/or submissive go passive, to participate and/or dominant go perverse or mix it up....the dev has the points can that use them to effect.

Melody is an open book atm, bit of a nut case, but could be fun. She seems to like exhibishionism but no other obvious kinks atm.

The teacher appears to be a weak Dom who easily switches. Question is can the author write a decent D/s story? I'm not holding my breath as I've only ever read 1 :FeelsBadMan:

Then there's the whole dad and getting a job palavour....other than the potential to meet more people (because college doesn't give enough oppourtunity...) all I can see that doing is keeping MC away from Alice.

The author seems to have opened a lot of threads, let's hope they can juggle them all decently. Suppose this and everything above will be seen in time.

 

[Centurion]

This exactly, you nailed it. Not only does it make Leah even less appealing than she already was, it also brings into question Alice's attitude towards the MC. She's willing to drop him as soon as she gets free reign with Leah. A person who opening treats her brother like shit in front of her. "I miss spending time with you. We should spend more time together"...my arse. Oh I'm sure we'll find out how immensely grateful she is in the next update but that will just make her look like a slut tbh. So yeah it has ruined Alice too imo.

That's it in a nutshell. Alice's sincerity isn't to be believed.

 

[bas]

Attached is a full incest patch for the game. Also modded to allow you to choose your sister's name and fixed a few typos from the last update.

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[JenusKudo]

I think you could be right but then I would have to say that it's poor writing. Why write Leah as such a bitch if it was going to be such a bother to get her and the MC together later on because of it. It could of been a fun story line to struggle to convert a bitchy lesbian but Alice didn't need to be involved imo



"Netorare (寝取られ) is a sexual fetish designed to cause sexual jealousy by way of having the heroine indulge in sexual activity with someone other than the protagonist.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:
1. The heroine either must be romantically involved with the protagonist, a potential romance for him or of someone that the protagonist shares such a close relationship (sister, mother, osananajimi etc.) that jealousy is a factor.

2. Related sexual events are explicitly shown to the player or later described in detail."

NTR isn't just about having a partner stolen from the MC. It's mainly about creating the jealousy the MC/player feels when a potential love interest or someone you care about is sleeping with someone else. Obviously this often ends with the MC losing said love interest but it's not always the case. Alice is the poster girl for this game and I would say it's main love interest. But you, as the MC can do nothing stop Leah and her from happening and are actually made to give your blessing to the relationship whether you want to as the player or not. Obviously this kink is very subjective and it's up to the player how much weight they put into moments like this but it doesn't change it from what it is.



Yeah I mean you can't help but feel like the MC is just going to end up as a submissive third wheel in any action that he has with Leah and Alice. Basically a dildo on legs. I'm already getting flashbacks to the scenes Max had with Kate and Alice in Big Brother. Leah will tie him to a chair and maybe he'll get some release if he's lucky. I guess some people are into that...

Lol.... pretty weird fetish.

 

[JenusKudo]

That's it in a nutshell. Alice's sincerity isn't to be believed.

As far as I can see the game is ruined for me.

 

[JenusKudo]

I should put that on my business cards. But again, just give this one a single update and you'll see this isn't ntr; it's actual plot.

Maybe I'm just failing to see the positives of this for anyone who is not a fan of Leah. Is the sister going to suddenly realise she wants the MC more and dump Leah to the curb? Unlikely considering how she seems to relish the fact that she know longer needs to hide her relationship anymore. Plus would make me think the sister is a bitch who gets easily bored in a relationship and would end up fucking around. Will it turn out Leah actually really likes the MC and her hard exterior is just a defence mechanism thus turning into a cock hungry slut for the MC? Can't see that happening with how she's been written so far as it would be too much of a jump. Is the MC just going to have to get comfortable with the fact that if he wants a piece of his sister, he has to share her with Leah. The more likely scenario considering what happened in the last update. Unless Leah's attitude makes a massive unrealistic shift not everyone will like this.

Also consider this. You are interested in a character and she's in you but you find out she's been secretly sleeping with another character. Not only are you unable to prevent this but you are actively forced as the MC to encourage this relationship and forced to listen in or watch the two characters have sex. I don't know about you but that sure sounds like NTR to me. Whether you change the relationship dynamic in the next episode or not, it still happened. Also all those comments from the sister about needing to spend more time with the MC seem a bit hollow now her fuck buddy can come over whenever she wants...

Unfortunately you have already included the ntr material in the game even if it's not proper ntr. Even if you don't realize that it's already done and you can't undone it probably. And because of this I have lost interest in Alice (sis). And if I'm not wrong then I am not the only one in this position.