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Alternatives to Patreon - Maybe for Adult games

DarthSeduction

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And the purge of creativity and glorification of censorship continues.. just imagine how many creators already modified their game or their plans for it. If an alternative doesn't come up soon I'm pretty convinced this market (far more interesting than the usual porn) is just gonna die, be it by its quality or creativity standards or just by the lack of creators willing to invest on it.

PS: I'm just gonna end all my pledges this month, I cannot keep supporting censorship.

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That's sad, Patreon is only making 5% on those pledges, I'd much rather see the developers supported until they move. Maybe talk to them on discord about maker support and other sites, but complete loss of your income over this only hurts them, patreon could care less.
 

DarthSeduction

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Hello everybody. sorry for english. I use Google translator.
and whether it is impossible to create a site where the internal currency will be used. Analog patrona where you create an account and you have a purse on your site that you can replenish and then spend this money on this site as you want. on the idea here it will be difficult to get to know what projects donate money
or is it unrealistic
Forgive me, if I misunderstand your question, but put simply, a site like this would either have to use a third party payment processor, like PayPal, CCBill, or any of the others, or they'd have to create their own crypto currency and run not only the site, but the financial servers. This could get messy unless they're really really good. In the end the startup cost for something like this would be really high, and likely would never happen unless it was done by someone with a lot of money or a cryptocurrency that already existed opening a site surgically for adult content creators.
 

anne O'nymous

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Only other way is to just create a bitcoin patreon clone solution, supporting devs with bitcoins which were purchased using paypal etc
A funding site for porn, payed with crypto-currencies... I'm not enough a fan of NTR to be the one fucked by bad guys all day long, will security agencies from all around the world look at us with delight.
I have nothing against porn (it's obvious since I'm here), nor against crypto-currency. But coupling both, especially if the crypto-currency is the main source of income, is not asking for problem, it's begging for them. There's a reason why Patreon have 20% of its content flagged as "adult content". It was, and still is more or less, the only platform where people involved into the adult industry can be free and not exploited in a way or another. Like everything which is border line, porn is a magnet for bad guys ; it generate a lot of money with few efforts. And crypto-currency is the best way to move money and make it suddenly seem legal.
So yes, coupling both is not a so great idea...
 

DarthSeduction

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A funding site for porn, payed with crypto-currencies... I'm not enough a fan of NTR to be the one fucked by bad guys all day long, will security agencies from all around the world look at us with delight.
I have nothing against porn (it's obvious since I'm here), nor against crypto-currency. But coupling both, especially if the crypto-currency is the main source of income, is not asking for problem, it's begging for them. There's a reason why Patreon have 20% of its content flagged as "adult content". It was, and still is more or less, the only platform where people involved into the adult industry can be free and not exploited in a way or another. Like everything which is border line, porn is a magnet for bad guys ; it generate a lot of money with few efforts. And crypto-currency is the best way to move money and make it suddenly seem legal.
So yes, coupling both is not a so great idea...
I see and understand your apprehension, but a crypro patreon would still be able to moderate itself legally. If the site required personal information of all content providers, so that they could then send the information to authorities if anyone used the platform to promote something nasty, like kiddie porn. The ones that we would protect with crypto would be the consumers. It would give them a way to pay for our service without having "Brother and dog spit roast unwilling sister part 3" on their credit card statement. That's part of what made paypal so successful. A person could have a secret paypal that they loaded with cash or whatever, then use it to purchase their smut. It was reliable, didn't give your credit card information, and gave you a way to hide it from your significant other.

Bitcoin or something else would have the same effect, only be completely untraceable. Plus, the site would be public web, not some darkweb site that was hiding from the authorities. We want to actually fund our projects, so hiding wouldn't work.
 

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I have invested in games on the Patreon for sometime now, but I must make a stand any restriction on game developers is wrong. It up to the user to play invest or not, as of March I will no longer be a part of Patreon if a new site is created count me in only one requirement no restrictions on the developers let the users decide.
 
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I have invested in games on the Patreon for sometime now, but I must make a stand any restriction on game developers is wrong. It up to the user to play invest or not, as of March I will no longer be a part of Patreon if a new site is created count me in only one requirement no restrictions on the developers let the users decide.
I just did the same, deleted all the pledges and explained the creators and through the survey why. It's the only way, like we did when they tried to force the new charges.
 
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Their site is supposed to be launched on spring;
What features are planned?

  • Intuitive and rapid content navigation using galleries, filters, and tags.
  • Ability to have multiple goal and reward tier levels.
  • Ability to post images/video/polls/text (Of course).
  • Ability to set Pay Upfront.
  • Transparent billing process.
  • The low 5% + (payment processor cost) fee that's the gold standard in crowdfunding.
  • Chargeback protection.
If....IF they actually manage to put all those features, while accepting Every kind of content like they actually said, then it would be an awesome news...
Let's see how this will develop.
 
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DarthSeduction

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Their site is supposed to be launched on spring;

If....IF they actually manage to put all those features, while accepting Every kind of content like they actually said, then it would be an awesome news...
Let's see how this will develop.
Well, my game has about 2 months of art to do still. If they're up I'll consider them.
 

gamersglory

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I don't know how well they will do as in taking with them it kind of sounds like that are making it up as they go along which could be dangerous.
 

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This got posted on SS thread if anyone wants to take a look at it. No idea how trustworthy Payza is.

 
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DarthSeduction

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Both artistic integrity (Not having, for the dev., one's content being dictating to) and crowdfunding platform dev. 's intinial investment on brand new equipment have their price, my friend.

Personally, I wouldn't mind forking a few extra bucks for it, provided that fees eventually stabilize, after that initial push, say somewhere between mid and long term.
So look at Sponsorion which launches this spring and guarantees the same rates as patreon

furthermore, the donation model is already making a lot of people uneasy. It would be beneficial for most games that their tiers not go above 3 dollars. Because for a 1 year project thats 36 dollars for that game.
 

DarthSeduction

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It would appear, darthseduction, that there could very well emerge, as a response, since demand is now very high, multiple players offering that desperately needed option to Patreon.

It's what is seemed we are poised for, game devs. and players alike.

Time will tell which will turn out to be good, and others not so good.

There may be some that eventually, didn't have what it took to survive.

Others will be cheapper priced, for sure, but their interface leaves something to be desired. ( Or turn out to be lackluster in some way).

Others will be well though of and conceived platforms, well-suited for the purposes outlined.

My point is, even though this is a niche, market forces will still drive this...industry (or sector), so to speak.

We shall see...

There are consumers driven by what is at the best price, others, by the best quality and service.

I'll wait for them to emerge, before marking too hastily a preference.
As a consumer, sure, however as a Dev I'm already preferring the one that works for me, and not the one that works best for you. It's basic business sense. To be completely honest, its nice that they have provided a platform, but this is my hard work. To put it in further perspective, I'm not even working alone. So in reality, on 1 dollar donations I make $0.125 on a 2 dollar donation I make $0.575 on a 3 dollar donation I make $1.025. There's no incentive for the creator to create at such low profit margins. It isn't a matter of whether they will be a better quality service, it's a matter of being able to turn a profit from this. They are profiting from my work with those fees. Because the consumer isn't paying for the platform, they're paying for the project.
 

DarthSeduction

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I see your point.

It would be a good thing if przewodo would take notice.

Perhaps, if he were to still maintain his pricing structure, a bundle approach could be considered.

After all, most players are fans of the works of just not one game developper, but of many.

So, for a single patronage, he might keep that price, but if the player decides to patron another one in addition, more favorable percentages could be alloted from the bundle to both game dev., the first one's percentages being recalculated and reallocated more favorably.
What really bugs me is the extra 65 cents. The 10% is what you lose from Patreon, but 5 of that is patreon and the other 5 is payment processing, so where is the 65 going? Or is he taking all of the 10 and the 65 is for payment processing every time? See, with the way Patreon does it, the larger donations subsidise the smaller ones allowing patreon to mitigate the transaction fee. That is what Sponserion is planning as well.

The problem of course would be that the lowest donation tier on my project at those rates would be 3 dollars, and you woudn't get perks out of it. So the people who wanted in on the discord or wanted to be able to give input when I add a poll, will have to be donating 5 dollars. My first game will only be a 6 month project, but that's still 30 for a visual novel. To put that in perspective, each episode of Life Is Strange is only 17 dollars. The difference in quality and gameplay makes Life is Strange only slightly more expensive. And if we are talking about a year long project, Life is Strange comes cheaper. It's not a realistic pricing scale.

His platform could work for other media, for instance camwhores, but it wouldn't really work for gaming.
 

gamersglory

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The platform that my team and I are working on will be a full-featured platform That we are still trying to find funding for. The reason we don't have anything ready yet is well funding for one and the other is we don't want to just slap something up haphazardly. We are going to do it within the law and make sure that Creators and ourselves are protected under the law. Plus we want to learn from patreons mistakes of underwhelming features for Creators and set a new standard in customer services. We are Planning to take on Patreon across the board not just for adult creators but all creators in general as well. When you mention Adult content to potential investors they like to dismiss you. But they seem to forget the Adult industry is one of the biggest money makers in the world.
 
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