Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

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@DarkSilver , I really Like BB as you have created it. I was a patron until they interfered with your work. I am not interested in BB being diluted into something else, however I understand alterations may have to be made in order to stay with patreon. I hope that if this is the direction you are heading than please provide an alternate version that is true to what you originally created. I wont be using Patreon any further because of their interference with creators. If you ultimately create your own web site I would be happy to support your work through that. Oh and if you got rid of the character Eric that would be awesome too lol. Keep your chin up, you will get through this.

 

[bluehound36]

Kinda feels like Patreon is shooting its own foot.

Not necessarily, if this is a legal matter for them, then they are taking the necessary steps to prevent having to face a lawsuit. If it's not a legal issue then they're just being complete dicks and definitely are shooting themselves in the foot. I'm leaning more towards the former cause nobody is that stupid to kill off that much revenue for their business.

 

[Pelele]

Not necessarily, if this is a legal matter for them, then they are taking the necessary steps to prevent having to face a lawsuit. If it's not a legal issue then they're just being complete dicks and definitely are shooting themselves in the foot. I'm leaning more towards the former cause nobody is that stupid to kill off that much revenue for their business.

It isnt legal reasons, i think its all for the reputtation of Patreon. If its illegal Game of throne is illegal, Boardwalk empire is illegal, taboo is illegal, all porn industry its illegal (family strokes, Milfbangteens, puretaboo, dadcrush....)

For the same reasons why some brands dont want to be relate to porn, Patreon excludes some types of porn.

 

[megadork]

It isnt legal reasons, i think its all for the reputtation of Patreon. If its illegal Game of throne is illegal, Boardwalk empire is illegal, taboo is illegal, all porn industry its illegal (family strokes, Milfbangteens, puretaboo, dadcrush....)

For the same reasons why some brands dont want to be relate to porn, Patreon excludes some types of porn.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well.

As much as I hate the story of BB, I really didn't want to see it killed this way.

I wonder if PornHub or something similar would be interested in setting up a patreon kind of system. Something that's mainly set up as for Adults Only already.

 

[bluehound36]

It isnt legal reasons, i think its all for the reputtation of Patreon. If its illegal Game of throne is illegal, Boardwalk empire is illegal, taboo is illegal, all porn industry its illegal (family strokes, Milfbangteens, puretaboo, dadcrush....)

I just don't see any businessman/woman being that stupid as to restrict a large revenue source over a social taboo, especially considering some countries and states in the US do have prohibitions on certain content like incest and child pornography. If it really isn't a legal issue then they're just plain idiots to give up that much profit so long as the devs take the necessary steps to censor the games at least on patreon. What happens after, outside of that, is none of their business (i.e. patches to restore the content from it's censored state).

This is straight from some articles addressing this matter and it stinks cause it isn't just about a taboo, nobody does this without there being an underlying legal matter as their primary concern. "producers of pornography and sex workers more generally have always been "operating outside of the Community Guidelines." "Patreon's legal head Colin Sullivan explained the difficulties of creating a policy that empowers creators without harming the site's "ability to be a home for all creators." Sullivan said that the platform is being more explicit on banning adult content concerning incest, bestiality, children and sexualized violence."

That just stinks of them trying to keep from having to face a lawsuit in countries or states in the US that have prohibitions on such things.

 

[chuckypetya]

So patreon killed all of this kind of games? :O

 

[Pantisocrat]

I wonder if PornHub or something similar would be interested in setting up a patreon kind of system. Something that's mainly set up as for Adults Only already.

There's manyvids too. I don't see why they'd object to having people download software from their servers rather than video content. Probably, if they were to move to a site like that, creators would have to accept moving to a "per update" rather than a "per month" payment system, and I'm not sure it could be automated. Apart from that, I don't really see the issue. manyvids is absolutely rife with incest content.

 

[dutchpete]

It seems from now on the only ones getting fucked are we, the players who indulge in these harmless fantasies.
I have played lots of shooter games over the years and never felt the urge to shoot someone in real life.
So the probem is.......................................?

 

[bluehound36]

It seems from now on the only ones getting fucked are we, the players who indulge in these harmless fantasies.
I have played lots of shooter games over the years and never felt the urge to shoot someone in real life.
So the probem is.......................................?

How could you say we're the ones getting fucked? It's the devs that are having that happen to them. Some rely on this as their source of income to some extent or another. How angry or upset would you be if someone basically threatened your livelihood from a financial standpoint? You'd really be pissed then. As consumers, we'll always be able to find something else to entertain ourselves with. Developers on the other hand don't have that luxury. As far as the problem? Look no further than patreon's CEO, Jack Conte. The guy is a douchebag and a lying sack of manure. I'm not sure what the policy is about posting links to other websites so i'll put this in a spoiler.

Spoiler: Patreon BS

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He really is a blowhard for the statements he made only to go back on his word there at the end of that article. So, either he's the world's biggest idiot businessman or he's afraid of a legal issue.

 

[Ignazzio]

DS on discord just said that Patreon asked him to remove BB from their site. He can't modify it. He's most likely switching to Glamour to get his site back

 

[stoper]

@dutchpete , it's their platform and they don't want to be represented by this type of content. I don't see what's so hard to understand.

 

[Whitenicky]

DS on discord just said that Patreon asked him to remove BB from their site. He can't modify it. He's most likely switching to Glamour to get his site back

Omg,what? :O

 

[redevil70]

DS on discord just said that Patreon asked him to remove BB from their site. He can't modify it. He's most likely switching to Glamour to get his site back

I do not understand ... we gave him a lot of solutions and it's not good either?

 

[Ignazzio]

Spoiler: Message to DS from Patreon

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He said that next update will be released somewhere (I bet it's here) but I wouldn't be overly optimistic about future of BB. Looks like Glamour site will come in a days.

 

[armion82]

Spoiler: Message to DS from Patreon

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He said that next update will be released somewhere (I bet it's here) but I wouldn't be overly optimistic about future of BB. Looks like Glamour site will come in a days.

Then he should expect losing a massive amounts of patrons.Most of them are not suporting him for Glamour.

 

[Ignazzio]

Then he should expect losing a massive amounts of patrons.Most of them are not suporting him for Glamour.

He will lose a lot. That's for sure. But it's still better than dissapearing. It all depends on Glamour's quality as it might be even better than BB. But loss of patrons is unavoidable. I would seriously just release BB here and close it in 1-2 updates as it's not a problem at all. DMD has it more difficult

 

[armion82]

He will lose a lot. That's for sure. But it's still better than dissapearing. It all depends on Glamour's quality as it might be even better than BB. But loss of patrons is unavoidable. I would seriously just release BB here and close it in 1-2 updates as it's not a problem at all. DMD has it more difficult

I doubt it Glamour can be better than BB.First try wasn't realy that good to be optimist.He admit he don't get incest,but he prove that he don't undersand porn games either.Only good renders don't make the game.Surely they can help but this is porn after all and so far he do it way too softcore.Hell even some series on HBO showing much more.

 

[dutchpete]

@dutchpete , it's their platform and they don't want to be represented by this type of content. I don't see what's so hard to understand.

It`s just like MacDonalds dropping hamburgers and deep fried products. You made a name, earned lots of money and suddenly they want to go clean and healthy. I can respect their decision but do not expect me to like it.
I will just frantically roam around to find burgers and fries

 

[Asphyx]

As a former conservative myself, most of you fear that mindset without understanding it. Except for the more Jerry Falwell types, most conservatives I talk to understand the war against porn is lost, and tend to take a more libertarian view on it anyway. As long as you don’t try to use their tax money to pay for incest training or incest plays or something, most of them couldn’t care less what you spend your money on.

Most Conservatives I know (and I consider myself a Conservative/Libertarian) don't care much about the Moralistic issues as we are more about the Government doing too much of things it has no business being involved in. That includes who you can marry, what you do with your body and getting involved in issues that we deem not the responsibility of the Government. The problem is the religious right has tagged along onto the conservative ideals as a way to try and reverse the supreme court ruling on Abortion so they can go back to the draconian laws their states had in place before the ruling.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. They've added a "report content" button (...) that you can see even if you're not a patron. This button will be abused by asshats more than it will be used by people who actually are offended (and lets be real, you have to try VERY hard to find this stuff in the first place). This has to be the reason that BB got flagged, and it will continue to happen to other devs as well.

This is most likely what is happening...There are some agenda asshats going around Patreon and targeting games they don't like using the Report feature.
There are legal considerations Patreon needs to take into account. But the truth is only those who SUBSCRIBE to get the games have access to them on their infrastructure. So it should not be any more of a problem than a Porn channel on Cable.
The EU is the real worry here...They tend to be quick to file suits against any Internet company that doesn't follow the strict laws that may exist on any one EU member's books.

 

[Ignazzio]

I doubt it Glamour can be better than BB.First try wasn't realy that good to be optimist.He admit he don't get incest,but he prove that he don't undersand porn games either.Only good renders don't make the game.Surely they can help but this is porn after all and so far he do it way too softcore.Hell even some series on HBO showing much more.

We didn't see nothing except for a few decent renders. Only concept of old Glamour should remain. When it comes to unusual gameplay mechanics I think DS is really good. He's coding is also on point. His overall lack of design is terrible but this one might be good as it's being developed for months. Might be crap but I think it should be at least decent without any forced content so he can do it his way. Only time will tell