Archived Summertime Saga: Incest mod(s). Solutions?

[dragonpiece]

It seems like the writing is less of an issue than the coding in that after the Jenny patch there wouldn't be much to do writing wise for say an Eve patch. The fact that'd you effectively have to reinvent the wheel every patch because the code is going to be a little different each time.... Arrg

If the game started off with no incest I'd still like it but this is like watching an anime where the voice actors are changed half way through. If .16 is the last version of the game with incest I think after the Jenny patch DC's membership will take a hit. He'll be fine I'm sure but I'd guess a fair number of people are going to bail.

Do you think he'll write the story in a way so it's impossible to even suspect it being incest or something? seems like that would be hard to do unless he redid even more scenes.

 

[j4yj4m]

Do you think he'll write the story in a way so it's impossible to even suspect it being incest or something? seems like that would be hard to do unless he redid even more scenes.

I'm sure he'll keep the incest theme in mind since he'd like to bring it back eventually. At least Diane's story still fits in really well and could be adapted without that much additional work. I'd expect that to continue, though overall there's not really much incest story left anyway. Jenny is getting her big rework, Debbie will eventually get a small one with little additional content and that's basically it - apart from possibly some aditional scenes here and there which won't really add that much story and apart from Erik's familie, Eve's sister, etc. which are comparatively minor things.

 

[01110011 01101011]

Look,
I have no problem with re-writing it all, have no problem spending 50+ hours looking at text and making it into a coherent incest story like the original.
Have enough time to do that while rendering things for my own game and between coding for myself, and can be done in less then a week at my rate.

However, because i have been working for my game for at least 3000+ hours i discovered 1 thing... I absolutely hate coding and programming.

So i would happily offer to do the reading, correcting and writing part, but somebody else will have to implement it in the game/mod and test it of course.
Also that's because i have been working in Unity, so my knowledge of Renpy is limited at best.
So think about it, and if you are interested then give me a shout .

Well i cannot agree more with you about coding, but as mentioned SS is a medium budget game now, so do keep in mind that if someone will "modify" the story, in order to integrate incest again, that someone must also consider the "legal aspect" just to avoid "problems", i'm sorry to point this but there are tons of mods for our games and sometimes modders had some hard time. As i see it the only way is to speak with devs and offer to mod the game with their blessing, F95 is like a big family but 99 % of devs here are half player half game devs, and is all very simple and friendly, but outside there is NOT always like this, actually is never like this. i had few words with 3 coders from Charkiv/Kharkiv , they may help us but only if the Devs bless the mod. As for me i don't like SS as a game and i consider it a waste of money, so i really don't care. Question: how a half polish graphic know ukranian programmers? answer: you have no idea how many funny characters you can meet looking for a NAS in barabashovo.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I want the incest patch as much as anyone, but this is clearly DC's problem.

Whether he wants to (or even can) admit it or not, a decent number of his patrons are supporting him because they expect incest patches to his game. Some of those people are going to stop funding him soon if new updates aren't fixed (I just did, for example, for exactly that reason). So it would be in his best interest for his team to use some of the money donated to his campaign for development time on a good incest patch for 17.1 and to upload it anonymously here, given that that is clearly what a goodly number of his patrons would want their funding used for.

As others have said, a quick find-and-replace isn't too hard for a game requiring a simple fix to patch in incest. But when the scale of this work requires another fucking funding campaign just to make the mod, I think that's the time when we have to consider how far we're willing to bend over backwards just to keep up the appearance of DC's hands being clean in this whole affair.

That's the thing, DC had about, what? 12, 13 thousand Patrons before the incest ban? And he was making about $35k? That's a hell of a lot of people who were quite literally invested in the game and it was obvious to everyone that it was an incest game and DC even made it clear early on that you's eventually be able to impregnate you mom, sister AND aunt, and yet the Patrons and funding kept going up.

So it seems to me like the vast majority of his funding did, and still does, come from people who clearly had no problem with the incest aspect of this game and I really hoped that all these people would pull their funding to send DC a message. But, like you said, they're probably holding out hope for incest patches or that the game will revert back when it's finished, but that could be years from now given how long it takes for each update and how many characters the MC will end up having sex with.

I'm so disappointed with DC because it seemed like they were really opposed to having to change their original vision for the game but it now seems like they've sold out their original fanbase because they're making so much money.

 

[j4yj4m]

@ Sexualis_Libertatis: I think you could very argue the opposite and say that most poeple who funded DC had no problem with the incest being removed either and supported SS because it's a good game. At least I personally don't really care about incest, I don't mind it in the game but it's certainly not the reason why I play the game, so why would I pull the pledge?

In the end SS was never advertised as incest game and incest was never going to be more than 20 to 30% of the total content at best. So it's not like "Big Brother" or DMD where incest was basically the prupose of the whole game.

In my opinion it's pretty hard to judge the fanbase. Yes, there's a (vocal) minority who'd die for incest, but one can't say how many people are among them. Given the patreon numbers, it seems pretty clear that the group wasn't as big as some may have thought.

Edit: Else it's probably true that most players who played the game a long time before those changes are so much into the game, that they don't really need a patch anyway. At least for me the roles of mom, sis and aunt are set, no matter the current scenario.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

@ Sexualis_Libertatis: I think you could very argue the opposite and say that most poeple who funded DC had no problem with the incest being removed either and supported SS because it's a good game. At least I personally don't really care about incest, I don't mind it in the game but it's certainly not the reason why I play the game, so why would I pull the pledge?

In the end SS was never advertised as incest game and incest was never going to be more than 20 to 30% of the total content at best. So it's not like "Big Brother" or DMD where incest was basically the prupose of the whole game.

In my opinion it's pretty hard to judge the fanbase. Yes, there's a (vocal) minority who'd die for incest, but one can't say how many people are among them. Given the patreon numbers, it seems pretty clear that the group wasn't as big as some may have thought.

Edit: Else it's probably true that most players who played the game a long time before those changes are so much into the game, that they don't really need a patch anyway. At least for me the roles of mom, sis and aunt are set, no matter the current scenario.

Yes, it's a good game, one of the best out there, and I'm sure that a lot of people didn't pull their funding because they like the game overall, but there could also be those who were into the whole incest part that haven't pulled their funding because they want the game to be finished so that it can (possibly) come back and worry that if the funding drops it will take longer for this to happen, or if it drops radically then it may not be finished at all.

My major gripe is that even if incest wasn't 100% of the game's purpose, it was still part of DC's original vision for the game and whilst they obviously had to change the game in order to keep it going, they could be principled in holding true to that original vision by either making it easy for modders to revert it back or make the patch themselves but pretend it isn't them like other developers are doing and getting away with.

 

[j4yj4m]

Yes, I'd agree about the modability to a degree but I'm not sure about the patch itself. DC is the 4th biggest creator on patreon, the biggest in the NSFW department and he has been under review once. That means they'll watch him and if they find out (however) that he's involved in bringing back the content they prohibited him to release and thus intentionally violates their TOS, they'll have no choice but ban him permanently and the game could be gone for good. And let's be honest, the chances of that to happen aren't that low. So it's probably a good thing that he himself keeps his hands clean. Other, smaller creators are likely lucky that patreon doesn't really care that much about their content and won't bother to really investigate.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Yes, I'd agree about the modability to a degree but I'm not sure about the patch itself. DC is the 4th biggest creator on patreon, the biggest in the NSFW department and he has been under review once. That means they'll watch him and if they find out (however) that he's involved in bringing back the content they prohibited him to release and thus intentionally violates their TOS, they'll have no choice but ban him permanently and the game could be gone for good. And let's be honest, the chances of that to happen aren't that low. So it's probably a good thing that he himself keeps his hands clean. Other, smaller creators are likely lucky that patreon doesn't really care that much about their content and won't bother to really investigate.

Well I certainly don't want that to happen because the quality of their game is great, I just think it sucks that Patreon is squashing the creative freedoms of developers and artists. I feel like this whole situation is perfectly summed up in the "My Sister, My Roommate" game (via the incest patch) which has a bit of dialogue between 2 characters that subtly hints at this whole situation and the MC points out that they, "shoot people, plant bombs, and beat up hookers, but that's all in games", and that, "just because something is wrong in real life doesn't mean it shouldn't be in video games."

 

[rommeltje]

Apparently, there are people willing to translate the entire game in Spanish. That sounds like a much more gargantuan task then just rewriting the incest parts. I take it they'll need to do something with the code as well. Right? Or is it different? Are they just underestimating the amount of work? If not, would it be an idea to ask them for help in writing a patch?

 

[CsoiretgeFsM]

If not, would it be an idea to ask them for help in writing a patch?

Yeah but there are factor at work. Are they fluent in english? Terms, colloquialisms, references likes memes or tropes?

Not trying to be racist, but as a french person, I've seen my fellows and other translators from other languages like portuguese translators, chinese translators, korean translators, thai translators, more often than not change/rewrite jokes, mannerisms, and colloquialisms from the original text to something unique to their language because they're unable to understand what the original material's language is referencing or talking about.

But if they're really familiar with english already then I'm all for it because unless @bossapplesauce comes back or somebody else just as skilled in coding and editing scripts steps in to help out, then I'm afraid we won't be seeing an incest decensor patch past the terrible, buggy 0.16 lewdpatcher one anytime soon...

 

[bas]

I'm here, was just on vacation for a bit.

I put an insane amount of time into the v0.15 patch. It's a tremendous amount of work to do it correctly; I spent most of my waking hours for ten days or so on it. Then I'd spent so much time with it, I didn't even want to play the game. I still haven't played v0.16 or v0.17.x.

So I'm sorry, but I have zero desire or willingness to go through that again right now. It pretty much ruined the game for me, and I really liked that game. Maybe when it's finished?

 

[baldoso]

I'm here, was just on vacation for a bit.

I put an insane amount of time into the v0.15 patch. It's a tremendous amount of work to do it correctly; I spent most of my waking hours for ten days or so on it. Then I'd spent so much time with it, I didn't even want to play the game. I still haven't played v0.16 or v0.17.x.

So I'm sorry, but I have zero desire or willingness to go through that again right now. It pretty much ruined the game for me, and I really liked that game. Maybe when it's finished?

>It pretty much ruined the game for me, and I really liked that game
I couldn’t agree more

 

[Mab's Thrall22]

I'm here, was just on vacation for a bit.

I put an insane amount of time into the v0.15 patch. It's a tremendous amount of work to do it correctly; I spent most of my waking hours for ten days or so on it. Then I'd spent so much time with it, I didn't even want to play the game. I still haven't played v0.16 or v0.17.x.

So I'm sorry, but I have zero desire or willingness to go through that again right now. It pretty much ruined the game for me, and I really liked that game. Maybe when it's finished?

That is unfortunate to hear, because you did such an excellent job on V0.15, but I completely respect your decision and actually understand it. For a long time I wanted to work on video games, and thought testing could be a fun way of getting into that world. Then I met a guy at one of my friend's weddings ( I think he was a cousin or something like that) who actually was working as a video game tester for an independent company at the time. Anyways, I spoke to him about it, and he asked me one simple question, " Do you love playing video games?". My answer was, of course, yes. As soon as I said that, he told me that I do not want to be a video game tester, because it made him hate playing video games. Instead of being the escape from reality that it used to be, it just reminded him of work and would stress him out more than being the escape he needed. So long story short, I could see how modding this game could ruin it for you. Anyways, I wish you luck in any future endeavors you do, because you have a knack for this stuff. Thanks again for all of your hard work! It really is appreciated!

 

[manneychin]

I'm here, was just on vacation for a bit.

I put an insane amount of time into the v0.15 patch. It's a tremendous amount of work to do it correctly; I spent most of my waking hours for ten days or so on it. Then I'd spent so much time with it, I didn't even want to play the game. I still haven't played v0.16 or v0.17.x.

So I'm sorry, but I have zero desire or willingness to go through that again right now. It pretty much ruined the game for me, and I really liked that game. Maybe when it's finished?

I pretty much got the part about how much effort is needed from reading your previous posts as well as ikaruga's.

I haven't played SS since v0.14.5 and won't get involved with dev a mod precisely because I already know it would ruin the game for me.

I would pay for a decent mod though and was hoping for a discussion that would surface some kind of similar case we could use for inspiration.

 

[obiwan]

Dang, that's unfortunate to hear. Guess we will have to wait a while longer for a good incest patch until someone else is willing.

Its entirely understandable that one does not want to go through the arduous task of making another one for it to be inevitably repeated when the next update arrives.

Glad to hear you're still alive bossapplesauce!

 

[Bahamut Zero]

Well hope is always hope. I always hope to see an incest patch again. The last version i play was the v0.15 with bossapplesauce patch. After i try some patch with the new content, but when i see that the game was unplable, i just stop to play it. For me the game is like dead. And yes i start to play it only for the incest thing.
Perhaps for other the incest was just an option. But i really like it. And when i stat a game with a particular fetish i cant play it without it. And i dubit that a real incest fan continue to play and pay DC.
Till now no one or just a small group will have left DC because DC till now have always say that in the end he restore the incest thing in game. But the day that DC say that he never restore... i think that perhaps the 30% perhaps almost 40% of his revenue surelly go away. If DC is sly better to him not to say never, because he really lost an huge ammount of money.

The sad part is that till now no one are really think of putting his game on his site. DC have open his own site, but i just do not understand why he do not put the game there and remove it from patreon.
He just need the money go there, so who is the problem to put his game on his site and only let ppl pay on patreon?
Anway i also do not understand why DC with every update are reinforced so much his script, that do not let other do incest patch. Really why he need to make all the thing so hard? I really hope that in the end someone really restore the incest thing.

 

[Mab's Thrall22]

I pretty much got the part about how much effort is needed from reading your previous posts as well as ikaruga's.

I haven't played SS since v0.14.5 and won't get involved with dev a mod precisely because I already know it would ruin the game for me.

I would pay for a decent mod though and was hoping for a discussion that would surface some kind of similar case we could use for inspiration.

Actually, I have thought about throwing that out there. I know I would personally pay for a mod for this game, but not sure how many other people would, especially if they are already supporting DC. I currently only pay $1 a month to DC, and am thinking of even dropping that minor amount. I would gladly take that (and more) and put it towards an incest mod. It could be posted on a site like BMAC (Buy Me A Coffee, for those who don't know). That way the person, or people, doing the mod would get paid for the time they spent on it. It might not be great money, but it is better than nothing. If someone were willing to do this mod, I would present that as a possible selling point to not just do it, but do it as well as bossapplesauce did (or at least as close to it as they can). By the way boss, this is not me trying to goad you back into doing this mod. As I said before, I respect your decision to not work on this game. These are just thoughts I have had for some time now, and figured I would finally throw them out.

 

[robertj]

I've been working on a new patch for 17.5, currently about halfway through the text.

 

[obiwan]

I've been working on a new patch for 17.5, currently about halfway through the text.

Woah wait what for reals??

 

[robertj]

Woah wait what for reals??

For reals! After a few years on f95 and not doing anything I figured it was my turn to contribute.