manneychin

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Do you guys think the tech update is ever gonna release? Summertime Saga is legitimately an amazing game and one of my favourites but it just updates so slowly that it can kill a lot of the excitement for it. I mean, how long has it been now that the tech update is allegedly in the works? Probably 2 or 3 years, right? It also seems like the progress bar is stuck in the 80% range for all eternity. Last time I played SS was all the way back in 2019 and I fell in love with it. I'm really itching to finally jump back in but I told myself that I would only get in again after the tech update (because it seems like the type of update that would completely reset anyone's save files).
There will be no more releases for Summertime Saga.

In 6 days it'll be 3 years since the last normal (story) release came out. Since then the profitability of NOT putting out a story release increased spectacularly while the risks of actually releasing anything new also increased, again, spectacularly.
This equation ensures there will be no more normal SS releases in the future because there's too much money in not releasing while simultaneously being a LOT of money to lose in releasing.

A breakdown:

(1) In 6 days, on 25-Mar, it'll be 3 years since DC has no excuse to claim work on the TU hasn't started. He actually first claimed this work started on 14-Feb-2021 (see Patreon post) but let's take the latest moment, which is 25-Mar-2021.
Now consider this date and remember that he sold the TU to paypigs as something that'll take "3-4 months to complete". That's what they voted on. He is now 36+ months into those 3-4 months and there is no release date in sight, no direction, no reliable progress. The project is dead in the water, going absolutely nowhere except towards the next paycheck.

(2) Across these 3 years the number of paypigs dropped when he nearly stopped simulating the project is alive but once he started putting on the theatre of wallpapers, word salads, empty words, etc. the imbeciles came right back. Today he has MORE supporters than he did when the TU vaporware started.

(3) A month ago DC reached an important milestone in how much he cashed in for SS. The total amount he got for the TU vaporware in the past 3 years (~$2.16+ million, you can find the exact calculation with graphs in my past posts) surpassed what he got for all of SS story/normal releases (~$2.11 million) from the beginning (Aug-2016) all the way up to when the TU Saga began in early 2021.

(1) + (2) + (3) = He can break his promises not once or twice over but ~10 times over and the paypigs won't budge. They will cling to hope like a drunk to his bottle so there is no end in sight to how much can be milked out of them. DC literally made more money by NOT delivering anything of value over the last 3 years than he did by delivering the whole of SS' stories in the years before that. So paypigs provide a STRONG financial incentive (we're literally talking millions of $) for DC to continue doing what he's doing and continue delivering what they actually paid for (i.e. hope).

At the same time, there are continuously rising risks in ever delivering the TU or any other future SS releases.

(5) The expectations his paypigs now nurture for the TU & future releases are now so intense they're practically bombs. There is no way in Hell these expectations can be met. If the TU is delivered as promised (i.e. no new story, just a behind-the-scenes update) the disappointment will detonate. Even with Rhonda's story baked in it will still be an immense disappointment because the paypigs will be faced with the reality of what their money actually bought. There was no serious work on the engine or anything DC promised. The paypigs will just be faced with a big turd they paid dearly for.

(6) The latest Patreon devolution into the insanity of policing fantasies creates a huge risk for any new SS releases. Patreon just banned a slew of devs, including some pretty big names (e.g. Zetan (Desert Stalker), UberPie (Taffy Tales)) for reasons that go FAR beyond any predictable rules a dev can reasonably work with.
Again and again we saw banned devs reporting years of work was abruptly terminated by one rando from Patreon being judge, jury and executioner, with no honest attempt at dialogue (all He said was "You're breaking T&C." then let a few days go by and then ban). Patreon ran out of resources and ability to define rules for what they don't like and now their rules are so vague and their fantasy policemen so unhinged that only the blandest most vanilla adult games imaginable can be safely financed through the platform.
Perhaps the worst fanaticism we've seen is in how they started policing the fantasy of "consent". Games can no longer depict any character being slightly drunk or in any state of mind where consent is not CLEAR (to Patreon, not to normal people). So MCs can not pressure, get LI drunk or on drugs, grope, perform anything but the mildest BDSM (and even then, with the girl yelling I CONSENT before any new move). I don't even need to mention mind control, rape, etc.
So now about every other common fantasy is a reason to be banned and Patreon has proven it intends to achieve the elimination of these fantasies through abuse, by being vague with devs who have been on the platform for years and then cutting them off. There is absolutely no good faith in what Patreon is doing. It's just abuse 101.
Now let's return to SS.
It has plenty of scenes where consent is very sketchy at best. I remember there was some hate fucking between MC and Jenny. There were also moments when MC took control of the fucking (breaking cuffs, fucking her during nighttime, cumming inside when she doesn't want it, etc.) without slavishly asking for consent like a purebred westoid now has to. Even Jenny & Mom have moments when they help themselves to MCs dick without asking for consent first, like the latest leftard hallucinations require.
MC steals panties without consent, giving them to perverts.
In the library people are filmed without their consent.
The whole story between the nun and Helen is predicated on Helen being just "taken" without much consent.
The whole story around the principle is again predicated on her just fucking over pupils abusing her authority, sometime physically, sometime psychologically. In fact, everything that has to do with the school is hugely problematic now as highschoolers fucking their teachers is WAY WAY WAAAAAY past the latest redlines.
The above is not an exhaustive list. It's a few things, off the top of my head, to underline how much SS is in the red when evaluated through Patreon's latest Fantasy Police insanity.

(5) + (6) = SS is under serious risk if it ever releases. (5) ensures there will be a LOT of unhappy paypigs wanting some revenge while (6) ensures there's a litany of reasons why SS can be banned under the latest rules.

Instead of running the risk of releasing, DC is presented every day with the alternative:
Keep doing what you're doing.
Predictably cash in at least one more million $ in the next 1-2 years by doing nearly nothing.
Then vanish with nothing bad attached to your real name.

This is why you will never see another SS release. Either the risks or the incentive to get money with nearly no work would've been enough to ensure the project has no real future. When you combine the two there is no chance in Hell.

In fact, the best strategy DC can take is to get himself banned when the money well runs dry. Then he can say "Patreon did it", whine a bit about how he was "SO CLOSE" and then vanish.
 

itsyeboii

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Aug 23, 2017
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There will be no more releases for Summertime Saga.

In 6 days it'll be 3 years since the last normal (story) release came out. Since then the profitability of NOT putting out a story release increased spectacularly while the risks of actually releasing anything new also increased, again, spectacularly.
This equation ensures there will be no more normal SS releases in the future because there's too much money in not releasing while simultaneously being a LOT of money to lose in releasing.

A breakdown:

(1) In 6 days, on 25-Mar, it'll be 3 years since DC has no excuse to claim work on the TU hasn't started. He actually first claimed this work started on 14-Feb-2021 (see Patreon post) but let's take the latest moment, which is 25-Mar-2021.
Now consider this date and remember that he sold the TU to paypigs as something that'll take "3-4 months to complete". That's what they voted on. He is now 36+ months into those 3-4 months and there is no release date in sight, no direction, no reliable progress. The project is dead in the water, going absolutely nowhere except towards the next paycheck.

(2) Across these 3 years the number of paypigs dropped when he nearly stopped simulating the project is alive but once he started putting on the theatre of wallpapers, word salads, empty words, etc. the imbeciles came right back. Today he has MORE supporters than he did when the TU vaporware started.

(3) A month ago DC reached an important milestone in how much he cashed in for SS. The total amount he got for the TU vaporware in the past 3 years (~$2.16+ million, you can find the exact calculation with graphs in my past posts) surpassed what he got for all of SS story/normal releases (~$2.11 million) from the beginning (Aug-2016) all the way up to when the TU Saga began in early 2021.

(1) + (2) + (3) = He can break his promises not once or twice over but ~10 times over and the paypigs won't budge. They will cling to hope like a drunk to his bottle so there is no end in sight to how much can be milked out of them. DC literally made more money by NOT delivering anything of value over the last 3 years than he did by delivering the whole of SS' stories in the years before that. So paypigs provide a STRONG financial incentive (we're literally talking millions of $) for DC to continue doing what he's doing and continue delivering what they actually paid for (i.e. hope).

At the same time, there are continuously rising risks in ever delivering the TU or any other future SS releases.

(5) The expectations his paypigs now nurture for the TU & future releases are now so intense they're practically bombs. There is no way in Hell these expectations can be met. If the TU is delivered as promised (i.e. no new story, just a behind-the-scenes update) the disappointment will detonate. Even with Rhonda's story baked in it will still be an immense disappointment because the paypigs will be faced with the reality of what their money actually bought. There was no serious work on the engine or anything DC promised. The paypigs will just be faced with a big turd they paid dearly for.

(6) The latest Patreon devolution into the insanity of policing fantasies creates a huge risk for any new SS releases. Patreon just banned a slew of devs, including some pretty big names (e.g. Zetan (Desert Stalker), UberPie (Taffy Tales)) for reasons that go FAR beyond any predictable rules a dev can reasonably work with.
Again and again we saw banned devs reporting years of work was abruptly terminated by one rando from Patreon being judge, jury and executioner, with no honest attempt at dialogue (all He said was "You're breaking T&C." then let a few days go by and then ban). Patreon ran out of resources and ability to define rules for what they don't like and now their rules are so vague and their fantasy policemen so unhinged that only the blandest most vanilla adult games imaginable can be safely financed through the platform.
Perhaps the worst fanaticism we've seen is in how they started policing the fantasy of "consent". Games can no longer depict any character being slightly drunk or in any state of mind where consent is not CLEAR (to Patreon, not to normal people). So MCs can not pressure, get LI drunk or on drugs, grope, perform anything but the mildest BDSM (and even then, with the girl yelling I CONSENT before any new move). I don't even need to mention mind control, rape, etc.
So now about every other common fantasy is a reason to be banned and Patreon has proven it intends to achieve the elimination of these fantasies through abuse, by being vague with devs who have been on the platform for years and then cutting them off. There is absolutely no good faith in what Patreon is doing. It's just abuse 101.
Now let's return to SS.
It has plenty of scenes where consent is very sketchy at best. I remember there was some hate fucking between MC and Jenny. There were also moments when MC took control of the fucking (breaking cuffs, fucking her during nighttime, cumming inside when she doesn't want it, etc.) without slavishly asking for consent like a purebred westoid now has to. Even Jenny & Mom have moments when they help themselves to MCs dick without asking for consent first, like the latest leftard hallucinations require.
MC steals panties without consent, giving them to perverts.
In the library people are filmed without their consent.
The whole story between the nun and Helen is predicated on Helen being just "taken" without much consent.
The whole story around the principle is again predicated on her just fucking over pupils abusing her authority, sometime physically, sometime psychologically. In fact, everything that has to do with the school is hugely problematic now as highschoolers fucking their teachers is WAY WAY WAAAAAY past the latest redlines.
The above is not an exhaustive list. It's a few things, off the top of my head, to underline how much SS is in the red when evaluated through Patreon's latest Fantasy Police insanity.

(5) + (6) = SS is under serious risk if it ever releases. (5) ensures there will be a LOT of unhappy paypigs wanting some revenge while (6) ensures there's a litany of reasons why SS can be banned under the latest rules.

Instead of running the risk of releasing, DC is presented every day with the alternative:
Keep doing what you're doing.
Predictably cash in at least one more million $ in the next 1-2 years by doing nearly nothing.
Then vanish with nothing bad attached to your real name.

This is why you will never see another SS release. Either the risks or the incentive to get money with nearly no work would've been enough to ensure the project has no real future. When you combine the two there is no chance in Hell.

In fact, the best strategy DC can take is to get himself banned when the money well runs dry. Then he can say "Patreon did it", whine a bit about how he was "SO CLOSE" and then vanish.
That's a breakdown alright
 

Ifllslonly

Member
Oct 17, 2023
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There will be no more releases for Summertime Saga.

In 6 days it'll be 3 years since the last normal (story) release came out. Since then the profitability of NOT putting out a story release increased spectacularly while the risks of actually releasing anything new also increased, again, spectacularly.
This equation ensures there will be no more normal SS releases in the future because there's too much money in not releasing while simultaneously being a LOT of money to lose in releasing.

A breakdown:

(1) In 6 days, on 25-Mar, it'll be 3 years since DC has no excuse to claim work on the TU hasn't started. He actually first claimed this work started on 14-Feb-2021 (see Patreon post) but let's take the latest moment, which is 25-Mar-2021.
Now consider this date and remember that he sold the TU to paypigs as something that'll take "3-4 months to complete". That's what they voted on. He is now 36+ months into those 3-4 months and there is no release date in sight, no direction, no reliable progress. The project is dead in the water, going absolutely nowhere except towards the next paycheck.

(2) Across these 3 years the number of paypigs dropped when he nearly stopped simulating the project is alive but once he started putting on the theatre of wallpapers, word salads, empty words, etc. the imbeciles came right back. Today he has MORE supporters than he did when the TU vaporware started.

(3) A month ago DC reached an important milestone in how much he cashed in for SS. The total amount he got for the TU vaporware in the past 3 years (~$2.16+ million, you can find the exact calculation with graphs in my past posts) surpassed what he got for all of SS story/normal releases (~$2.11 million) from the beginning (Aug-2016) all the way up to when the TU Saga began in early 2021.

(1) + (2) + (3) = He can break his promises not once or twice over but ~10 times over and the paypigs won't budge. They will cling to hope like a drunk to his bottle so there is no end in sight to how much can be milked out of them. DC literally made more money by NOT delivering anything of value over the last 3 years than he did by delivering the whole of SS' stories in the years before that. So paypigs provide a STRONG financial incentive (we're literally talking millions of $) for DC to continue doing what he's doing and continue delivering what they actually paid for (i.e. hope).

At the same time, there are continuously rising risks in ever delivering the TU or any other future SS releases.

(5) The expectations his paypigs now nurture for the TU & future releases are now so intense they're practically bombs. There is no way in Hell these expectations can be met. If the TU is delivered as promised (i.e. no new story, just a behind-the-scenes update) the disappointment will detonate. Even with Rhonda's story baked in it will still be an immense disappointment because the paypigs will be faced with the reality of what their money actually bought. There was no serious work on the engine or anything DC promised. The paypigs will just be faced with a big turd they paid dearly for.

(6) The latest Patreon devolution into the insanity of policing fantasies creates a huge risk for any new SS releases. Patreon just banned a slew of devs, including some pretty big names (e.g. Zetan (Desert Stalker), UberPie (Taffy Tales)) for reasons that go FAR beyond any predictable rules a dev can reasonably work with.
Again and again we saw banned devs reporting years of work was abruptly terminated by one rando from Patreon being judge, jury and executioner, with no honest attempt at dialogue (all He said was "You're breaking T&C." then let a few days go by and then ban). Patreon ran out of resources and ability to define rules for what they don't like and now their rules are so vague and their fantasy policemen so unhinged that only the blandest most vanilla adult games imaginable can be safely financed through the platform.
Perhaps the worst fanaticism we've seen is in how they started policing the fantasy of "consent". Games can no longer depict any character being slightly drunk or in any state of mind where consent is not CLEAR (to Patreon, not to normal people). So MCs can not pressure, get LI drunk or on drugs, grope, perform anything but the mildest BDSM (and even then, with the girl yelling I CONSENT before any new move). I don't even need to mention mind control, rape, etc.
So now about every other common fantasy is a reason to be banned and Patreon has proven it intends to achieve the elimination of these fantasies through abuse, by being vague with devs who have been on the platform for years and then cutting them off. There is absolutely no good faith in what Patreon is doing. It's just abuse 101.
Now let's return to SS.
It has plenty of scenes where consent is very sketchy at best. I remember there was some hate fucking between MC and Jenny. There were also moments when MC took control of the fucking (breaking cuffs, fucking her during nighttime, cumming inside when she doesn't want it, etc.) without slavishly asking for consent like a purebred westoid now has to. Even Jenny & Mom have moments when they help themselves to MCs dick without asking for consent first, like the latest leftard hallucinations require.
MC steals panties without consent, giving them to perverts.
In the library people are filmed without their consent.
The whole story between the nun and Helen is predicated on Helen being just "taken" without much consent.
The whole story around the principle is again predicated on her just fucking over pupils abusing her authority, sometime physically, sometime psychologically. In fact, everything that has to do with the school is hugely problematic now as highschoolers fucking their teachers is WAY WAY WAAAAAY past the latest redlines.
The above is not an exhaustive list. It's a few things, off the top of my head, to underline how much SS is in the red when evaluated through Patreon's latest Fantasy Police insanity.

(5) + (6) = SS is under serious risk if it ever releases. (5) ensures there will be a LOT of unhappy paypigs wanting some revenge while (6) ensures there's a litany of reasons why SS can be banned under the latest rules.

Instead of running the risk of releasing, DC is presented every day with the alternative:
Keep doing what you're doing.
Predictably cash in at least one more million $ in the next 1-2 years by doing nearly nothing.
Then vanish with nothing bad attached to your real name.

This is why you will never see another SS release. Either the risks or the incentive to get money with nearly no work would've been enough to ensure the project has no real future. When you combine the two there is no chance in Hell.

In fact, the best strategy DC can take is to get himself banned when the money well runs dry. Then he can say "Patreon did it", whine a bit about how he was "SO CLOSE" and then vanish.
According to you, it's possible to report summertime saga right now for breaking these new rules.
Do you think anyone will bother?
 

WadeWilsoon

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Oct 1, 2019
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Big crew doing what exactly?

What has been done in the last 2 years that is worth $65K - $197K per month?
Do you think this creator deserves to be the top 1 NSFW game developer on Patreon based on the past two years?

Same :LUL: But probably not for the same reason.
What part of my comment made you think I was defending the developer or her/his crew? Or did I say they deserve to be top 1 due to their hard work? On the opposite, I rather think they were lucky that they released this game earlier than many other competents and cut a big slice from the market. And it's true. 7 years a long time for not being able to end this story .

The game is very good and one of my favorites but definitely not top 1.
 

j4yj4m

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Jun 19, 2017
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According to you, it's possible to report summertime saga right now for breaking these new rules.
Do you think anyone will bother?
DC has been very, very catious when it comes to patreon's TOS, as he's been banned before and as he'll certainly be the one who is scrutinized the most - I'm indeed sure he has been reported like hundreds of times during the last years, given the huge hate boners some people developed. As such he avoids certain content (we didn't get a very flat chested schoolgirl, he remade Jenny's sleeping sex scene, etc.) and as long as patreon doesn't crack down on NSFW content in general, SS should be safe. It's very vanilla after all and it's going to stay that way.
 
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jefi2000

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Apr 23, 2020
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There will be no more releases for Summertime Saga.

In 6 days it'll be 3 years since the last normal (story) release came out. Since then the profitability of NOT putting out a story release increased spectacularly while the risks of actually releasing anything new also increased, again, spectacularly.
This equation ensures there will be no more normal SS releases in the future because there's too much money in not releasing while simultaneously being a LOT of money to lose in releasing.

A breakdown:

(1) In 6 days, on 25-Mar, it'll be 3 years since DC has no excuse to claim work on the TU hasn't started. He actually first claimed this work started on 14-Feb-2021 (see Patreon post) but let's take the latest moment, which is 25-Mar-2021.
Now consider this date and remember that he sold the TU to paypigs as something that'll take "3-4 months to complete". That's what they voted on. He is now 36+ months into those 3-4 months and there is no release date in sight, no direction, no reliable progress. The project is dead in the water, going absolutely nowhere except towards the next paycheck.

(2) Across these 3 years the number of paypigs dropped when he nearly stopped simulating the project is alive but once he started putting on the theatre of wallpapers, word salads, empty words, etc. the imbeciles came right back. Today he has MORE supporters than he did when the TU vaporware started.

(3) A month ago DC reached an important milestone in how much he cashed in for SS. The total amount he got for the TU vaporware in the past 3 years (~$2.16+ million, you can find the exact calculation with graphs in my past posts) surpassed what he got for all of SS story/normal releases (~$2.11 million) from the beginning (Aug-2016) all the way up to when the TU Saga began in early 2021.

(1) + (2) + (3) = He can break his promises not once or twice over but ~10 times over and the paypigs won't budge. They will cling to hope like a drunk to his bottle so there is no end in sight to how much can be milked out of them. DC literally made more money by NOT delivering anything of value over the last 3 years than he did by delivering the whole of SS' stories in the years before that. So paypigs provide a STRONG financial incentive (we're literally talking millions of $) for DC to continue doing what he's doing and continue delivering what they actually paid for (i.e. hope).

At the same time, there are continuously rising risks in ever delivering the TU or any other future SS releases.

(5) The expectations his paypigs now nurture for the TU & future releases are now so intense they're practically bombs. There is no way in Hell these expectations can be met. If the TU is delivered as promised (i.e. no new story, just a behind-the-scenes update) the disappointment will detonate. Even with Rhonda's story baked in it will still be an immense disappointment because the paypigs will be faced with the reality of what their money actually bought. There was no serious work on the engine or anything DC promised. The paypigs will just be faced with a big turd they paid dearly for.

(6) The latest Patreon devolution into the insanity of policing fantasies creates a huge risk for any new SS releases. Patreon just banned a slew of devs, including some pretty big names (e.g. Zetan (Desert Stalker), UberPie (Taffy Tales)) for reasons that go FAR beyond any predictable rules a dev can reasonably work with.
Again and again we saw banned devs reporting years of work was abruptly terminated by one rando from Patreon being judge, jury and executioner, with no honest attempt at dialogue (all He said was "You're breaking T&C." then let a few days go by and then ban). Patreon ran out of resources and ability to define rules for what they don't like and now their rules are so vague and their fantasy policemen so unhinged that only the blandest most vanilla adult games imaginable can be safely financed through the platform.
Perhaps the worst fanaticism we've seen is in how they started policing the fantasy of "consent". Games can no longer depict any character being slightly drunk or in any state of mind where consent is not CLEAR (to Patreon, not to normal people). So MCs can not pressure, get LI drunk or on drugs, grope, perform anything but the mildest BDSM (and even then, with the girl yelling I CONSENT before any new move). I don't even need to mention mind control, rape, etc.
So now about every other common fantasy is a reason to be banned and Patreon has proven it intends to achieve the elimination of these fantasies through abuse, by being vague with devs who have been on the platform for years and then cutting them off. There is absolutely no good faith in what Patreon is doing. It's just abuse 101.
Now let's return to SS.
It has plenty of scenes where consent is very sketchy at best. I remember there was some hate fucking between MC and Jenny. There were also moments when MC took control of the fucking (breaking cuffs, fucking her during nighttime, cumming inside when she doesn't want it, etc.) without slavishly asking for consent like a purebred westoid now has to. Even Jenny & Mom have moments when they help themselves to MCs dick without asking for consent first, like the latest leftard hallucinations require.
MC steals panties without consent, giving them to perverts.
In the library people are filmed without their consent.
The whole story between the nun and Helen is predicated on Helen being just "taken" without much consent.
The whole story around the principle is again predicated on her just fucking over pupils abusing her authority, sometime physically, sometime psychologically. In fact, everything that has to do with the school is hugely problematic now as highschoolers fucking their teachers is WAY WAY WAAAAAY past the latest redlines.
The above is not an exhaustive list. It's a few things, off the top of my head, to underline how much SS is in the red when evaluated through Patreon's latest Fantasy Police insanity.

(5) + (6) = SS is under serious risk if it ever releases. (5) ensures there will be a LOT of unhappy paypigs wanting some revenge while (6) ensures there's a litany of reasons why SS can be banned under the latest rules.

Instead of running the risk of releasing, DC is presented every day with the alternative:
Keep doing what you're doing.
Predictably cash in at least one more million $ in the next 1-2 years by doing nearly nothing.
Then vanish with nothing bad attached to your real name.

This is why you will never see another SS release. Either the risks or the incentive to get money with nearly no work would've been enough to ensure the project has no real future. When you combine the two there is no chance in Hell.

In fact, the best strategy DC can take is to get himself banned when the money well runs dry. Then he can say "Patreon did it", whine a bit about how he was "SO CLOSE" and then vanish.
So basically, DC is Keyser Söze?
 

manneychin

Member
May 8, 2017
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According to you, it's possible to report summertime saga right now for breaking these new rules.
Do you think anyone will bother?
My point was that Patreon's rules are a joke. They are applied very arbitrarily but on average they are increasingly insane.

Ban-abuse works, usually in silence, because the ones being abused don't usually have any way to respond.
The only blowback that can happen is once in a blue moon a PR issue is created by some side-effect. Then the company swears they didn't mean it, it was a mistake and they try again later.

If Patreon bans SS now it WILL produce a huge PR issue. DC can claim his old content was fine for 3 years under the old rules. What changed? He can victimize himself. His paypigs will side with DC. Sparks will fly. It's not the right moment.

The right moment is when a new release comes in, especially one that offers such a wide attackable area like a fully reworked game.

However, at the bottom of everything there's always MONEY vs. risk. As long as there's enough of the former and little of the latter, Patreon will arbitrarily turn a blind eye to SS breaking the rules.
When SS will slip, either financially or by stirring the paypigs into a report frenzy, the ban hammer will come. DC's accumulated money play no role in this. He won't reveal his real identity by taking Patreon to court.
 

dkatryl

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May 26, 2018
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DC has been very, very catious when it comes to patreon's TOS, as he's been banned before and as he'll certainly be the one who is scrutinized the most - I'm indeed sure he has been reported like hundreds of times during the last years, given the huge hate boners some people developed. As such he avoids certain content (we didn't get a very flat chested schoolgirl, he remade Jenny's sleeping sex scene, etc.) and as long as patreon doesn't crack down on NSFW content in general, SS should be safe. It's very vanilla after all and it's going to stay that way.
I'm still a bit grump face about the Jenny sleep sex changes, where it made her the aggressor. Same with the night time couch sex scene. And as a result, kinda boring.

I understand why, if i had a cash cow like this, i'd do the same, and anyone that says otherwise is lying and/or grandstanding.

But still grump face.

Im hoping, if the tech update ever finishes before the heat death of the universe :rolleyes:, and the inevitable incest mods are made, a mod will be made to restore the tone of some of the old content.
 

j4yj4m

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Jun 19, 2017
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I'm still a bit grump face about the Jenny sleep sex changes, where it made her the aggressor. Same with the night time couch sex scene. And as a result, kinda boring.

I understand why, if i had a cash cow like this, i'd do the same, and anyone that says otherwise is lying and/or grandstanding.

But still grump face.

Im hoping, if the tech update ever finishes before the heat death of the universe :rolleyes:, and the inevitable incest mods are made, a mod will be made to restore the tone of some of the old content.
I mainly disliked the old scene because it was so random, given how messy Jenny's old "story" was. MC just had to sneak into her bed/the shower without any indication or reason. That's probably the main reason why I prefer the new one and Jenny's new story in general.

At least the scene itself is still there, albeit in a different context.
 

Ifllslonly

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My point was that Patreon's rules are a joke. They are applied very arbitrarily but on average they are increasingly insane.

Ban-abuse works, usually in silence, because the ones being abused don't usually have any way to respond.
The only blowback that can happen is once in a blue moon a PR issue is created by some side-effect. Then the company swears they didn't mean it, it was a mistake and they try again later.

If Patreon bans SS now it WILL produce a huge PR issue. DC can claim his old content was fine for 3 years under the old rules. What changed? He can victimize himself. His paypigs will side with DC. Sparks will fly. It's not the right moment.

The right moment is when a new release comes in, especially one that offers such a wide attackable area like a fully reworked game.
Yeah, I got your point. The thing is, I don't think there are many subs who really believe DC is worth supporting. If we are talking about 30000 subs, I would say that only about 5k are active. Most of the subs are on autopay and probably about 20000 don't even remember they are giving him money.
So if he gets banned he will lose most of the subs forever.
Edit: PR won't help either. It's hard to imagine a "huge" PR company without a real update.
However, at the bottom of everything there's always MONEY vs. risk. As long as there's enough of the former and little of the latter, Patreon will arbitrarily turn a blind eye to SS breaking the rules.
Yes, it is very likely.
Im hoping, if the tech update ever finishes before the heat death of the universe :rolleyes:, and the inevitable incest mods are made, a mod will be made to restore the tone of some of the old content.
This is much more likely.
 
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There will be no more releases for Summertime Saga.

In 6 days it'll be 3 years since the last normal (story) release came out. Since then the profitability of NOT putting out a story release increased spectacularly while the risks of actually releasing anything new also increased, again, spectacularly.
This equation ensures there will be no more normal SS releases in the future because there's too much money in not releasing while simultaneously being a LOT of money to lose in releasing.

A breakdown:

(1) In 6 days, on 25-Mar, it'll be 3 years since DC has no excuse to claim work on the TU hasn't started. He actually first claimed this work started on 14-Feb-2021 (see Patreon post) but let's take the latest moment, which is 25-Mar-2021.
Now consider this date and remember that he sold the TU to paypigs as something that'll take "3-4 months to complete". That's what they voted on. He is now 36+ months into those 3-4 months and there is no release date in sight, no direction, no reliable progress. The project is dead in the water, going absolutely nowhere except towards the next paycheck.

(2) Across these 3 years the number of paypigs dropped when he nearly stopped simulating the project is alive but once he started putting on the theatre of wallpapers, word salads, empty words, etc. the imbeciles came right back. Today he has MORE supporters than he did when the TU vaporware started.

(3) A month ago DC reached an important milestone in how much he cashed in for SS. The total amount he got for the TU vaporware in the past 3 years (~$2.16+ million, you can find the exact calculation with graphs in my past posts) surpassed what he got for all of SS story/normal releases (~$2.11 million) from the beginning (Aug-2016) all the way up to when the TU Saga began in early 2021.

(1) + (2) + (3) = He can break his promises not once or twice over but ~10 times over and the paypigs won't budge. They will cling to hope like a drunk to his bottle so there is no end in sight to how much can be milked out of them. DC literally made more money by NOT delivering anything of value over the last 3 years than he did by delivering the whole of SS' stories in the years before that. So paypigs provide a STRONG financial incentive (we're literally talking millions of $) for DC to continue doing what he's doing and continue delivering what they actually paid for (i.e. hope).

At the same time, there are continuously rising risks in ever delivering the TU or any other future SS releases.

(5) The expectations his paypigs now nurture for the TU & future releases are now so intense they're practically bombs. There is no way in Hell these expectations can be met. If the TU is delivered as promised (i.e. no new story, just a behind-the-scenes update) the disappointment will detonate. Even with Rhonda's story baked in it will still be an immense disappointment because the paypigs will be faced with the reality of what their money actually bought. There was no serious work on the engine or anything DC promised. The paypigs will just be faced with a big turd they paid dearly for.

(6) The latest Patreon devolution into the insanity of policing fantasies creates a huge risk for any new SS releases. Patreon just banned a slew of devs, including some pretty big names (e.g. Zetan (Desert Stalker), UberPie (Taffy Tales)) for reasons that go FAR beyond any predictable rules a dev can reasonably work with.
Again and again we saw banned devs reporting years of work was abruptly terminated by one rando from Patreon being judge, jury and executioner, with no honest attempt at dialogue (all He said was "You're breaking T&C." then let a few days go by and then ban). Patreon ran out of resources and ability to define rules for what they don't like and now their rules are so vague and their fantasy policemen so unhinged that only the blandest most vanilla adult games imaginable can be safely financed through the platform.
Perhaps the worst fanaticism we've seen is in how they started policing the fantasy of "consent". Games can no longer depict any character being slightly drunk or in any state of mind where consent is not CLEAR (to Patreon, not to normal people). So MCs can not pressure, get LI drunk or on drugs, grope, perform anything but the mildest BDSM (and even then, with the girl yelling I CONSENT before any new move). I don't even need to mention mind control, rape, etc.
So now about every other common fantasy is a reason to be banned and Patreon has proven it intends to achieve the elimination of these fantasies through abuse, by being vague with devs who have been on the platform for years and then cutting them off. There is absolutely no good faith in what Patreon is doing. It's just abuse 101.
Now let's return to SS.
It has plenty of scenes where consent is very sketchy at best. I remember there was some hate fucking between MC and Jenny. There were also moments when MC took control of the fucking (breaking cuffs, fucking her during nighttime, cumming inside when she doesn't want it, etc.) without slavishly asking for consent like a purebred westoid now has to. Even Jenny & Mom have moments when they help themselves to MCs dick without asking for consent first, like the latest leftard hallucinations require.
MC steals panties without consent, giving them to perverts.
In the library people are filmed without their consent.
The whole story between the nun and Helen is predicated on Helen being just "taken" without much consent.
The whole story around the principle is again predicated on her just fucking over pupils abusing her authority, sometime physically, sometime psychologically. In fact, everything that has to do with the school is hugely problematic now as highschoolers fucking their teachers is WAY WAY WAAAAAY past the latest redlines.
The above is not an exhaustive list. It's a few things, off the top of my head, to underline how much SS is in the red when evaluated through Patreon's latest Fantasy Police insanity.

(5) + (6) = SS is under serious risk if it ever releases. (5) ensures there will be a LOT of unhappy paypigs wanting some revenge while (6) ensures there's a litany of reasons why SS can be banned under the latest rules.

Instead of running the risk of releasing, DC is presented every day with the alternative:
Keep doing what you're doing.
Predictably cash in at least one more million $ in the next 1-2 years by doing nearly nothing.
Then vanish with nothing bad attached to your real name.

This is why you will never see another SS release. Either the risks or the incentive to get money with nearly no work would've been enough to ensure the project has no real future. When you combine the two there is no chance in Hell.

In fact, the best strategy DC can take is to get himself banned when the money well runs dry. Then he can say "Patreon did it", whine a bit about how he was "SO CLOSE" and then vanish.
Not bothering reading that post.

But: You may be right, you may be wrong. What did that wall of text change?

Do you even think you were the first person rising that argument? Did that change anything?

And yes I know this (mine) post will be deleted again. Who cares.
 

siatugst

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i fucking hate this game's sex scenes! the normal art is fabulous but when we sex its just a hot garbage! i want to fuck jenny without her looking like a fucking mess. thanks (y)
 

dkatryl

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I mainly disliked the old scene because it was so random, given how messy Jenny's old "story" was. MC just had to sneak into her bed/the shower without any indication or reason. That's probably the main reason why I prefer the new one and Jenny's new story in general.

At least the scene itself is still there, albeit in a different context.
Oh, i dont disagree, the updated Jenny story flows better.

However, iirc, there is a MC sub and MC dom route. It seems that the sub route, Jenny would be the aggressor, and the dom route, MC would be the aggressor.

Should have beeb a simple tone shift to the same scenes, maybe with minimal cosmetic differences.
 

sucklepuck

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Oh, i dont disagree, the updated Jenny story flows better.

However, iirc, there is a MC sub and MC dom route. It seems that the sub route, Jenny would be the aggressor, and the dom route, MC would be the aggressor.

Should have beeb a simple tone shift to the same scenes, maybe with minimal cosmetic differences.
Man, that pseudo-split was the one thing I disliked about Jenny's update. Those choices only affect the dialogue in the scenes directly after you choose, but they don't affect anything beyond that. If they did what you suggested and changed up the scenes a bit to incorporate some sub/dom stuff, that would've made that update a lot better IMO. I know DC's tastes are super vanilla, but if you're gonna bring up that kind of dynamic during game choices, it should actually impact the game beyond a few lines of text.
 
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