Thanks for the straight answer. From what I gather, there isn't that much sexual content anyways, so maybe playing it on my desktop won't even be a problem.
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But why no one can die? I don't remember laying eggs...
*gasp!*
So everyone already laid thousand eggs at their home and just hid it? And no one actually need to copulate for that. Jure has already taken care about that. Sus...
(Sorry for f***ing around)
I see, so only Ehekatl cares about that, who is actually might have been taught humanity magic, regarding the name of her feat "Ehekatl's School of Magic".
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'Ehekatl's School of Magic' is just another name for wild magic, really. It's the 'original' school of magic where other schools are basing their their spells and formulated incantations from. Why do you think Itzpalt loves scrolls and rods? Because he likes to see how humans try and decipher the concept of magic and formulate their own system based on their current understanding of it.
Everything was born from chaos, isn't it?
Are you making things up? Any god likes something, meaning they will accept such item, because they value it for some reason.
Opatos likes ores, since it's the most valuable thing you can get from earth (in his opinion) and you must be strong to get it, meaning he respects strength
Lulwy likes bows and arrows, since they have good balance between lethality and speed (they don't weight much unlike guns and bullets). She respects ones who understand it.
Kumiromi likes vegetables. He respects ones who uses earth and own's energy to grow crops/flora.
Itzpalt likes only rods since... they don't require mana to use and they have no fail chance of casting? But their power is very limited, strange... But perhaps he respects ones who are capable of creating rods (yet you can offer any rod and he will not know anything).
Jure likes flowers. Make love, not war!
Mani likes guns and machinery, for obvious reason:
| "Flesh and blood, how pathetic to waste much of your limited life sleeping. But rest well for now, for you will need to serve me again." |
"I'll sing you a lullaby for 100gp...hey, what? You're already asleep?!"
*sigh* nevermind.
Ehekati likes fish,
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! And you need to be freaking lucky and patient to capture ones. COCONUT CRAB is just her personal favorite food. *sigh* you need to feed her, to get her attention. Simping as well.All of it barely makes sense actually, since:
You can be weak and buy ores, yet Opatos will still appreciate them.
Lulwy in her inner goddess form uses crossbow!
Kumiromi... is legit I guess, but it also strange to see in god of life and death/nature. Seems like he is insane a little.
Itzpalt... it is correct that he should like scrolls, like he likes rods, and also books, since he has impressive library in Lost Irva (Ylva), but he cares only about rods, WHICH HE DON'T EVEN USE.
Jure is legit, until her sanity will vanish.
Mani is legit 100%, nevermind.
Yacatect is legit business woman, but you can buy only Lulwy's photos. Wait... Nevermind, she is self-respected enough to not sell herself in Only Fans. SHE WILL ORGANIZE IT.
Ehekatl... is legit and insane, nevermind.
I guess gameplay and lore are not matching each other fully.
I also remember from NPCs talk:
1) Gods' power dependent on believers' faith.
2) Offerings are used as mediums between gods and believers, to show their faith.
I believe that gods simply used something that is not hard to get, and would somehow represent gods' interest.
*sigh*
I guess I answered my own question in the first sentence of this post.
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God's exerted power to that particular believer depends on how much Faith points they have on that god, and offerings are used to manipulate god to like that particular believer so they will show divine mercy and grant them boons.
The npc speech is more of simplification of game mechanics or an attempt to tie lore into game mechanics, really, about God's Gifts and whatnot. The Gods won't lose or gain power from any of the offerings (like, how do you expect Opatos to gain power from ore? Melt them into one massive dumbbell? What even Ehekatl gonna do with all those fishes???) nor by losing/gaining adherents. All of those only counts as an appeal---your personal appeal to said god.
Yeah, just as I thought, yet it is amusing trying to justify some silly things.
Like... maybe Opatos is actually planning on creating heavier and heavier dumbbells using the ores, to flex more after.
And Ehekatl is feeding her black cats, probably.
speaking of the cat goddess... im very suspicous of her. kill her and she spawn god inside ehekatl, while you can wish for the other gods you cant wish for that one the game just simply saying there is no god inside... that and the questionable existence of eyth makes me wonder if eyth is somehow related to that entity either ehekatl acting as a seal or eyth taking over the remains of ehekatl's avatar... or perhaps its more related to chaos who knows the thing is vague on purpose...
Any deity (god) "have god inside", but consider it as their second form, like you can see in Dark Souls' bosses, which have second phase for example. And you can't wish for it just because it's not programmed to be wished for, like you can't wish for precious items for example. Anyway, despite the name there is actually no god inside any god, but their second form, that is more closer to their true self in god realm. Understand that they do not come to Ylva by themselves, but they send their avatars, just like how you send your character to the game world, but your avatar/character is not you.
Eyth fell into the Void, due to Mani and Lulwy's scheming...
It's from Elin, a prequel of Elona.
I also wonder, who is making wishes true?
I remember trying to wish for "Who are you?"
And the healing potion of healer Odina appeared (Or Eris? I don't remember). Coincidence?
I remember trying to wish for "Who are you?"
And the healing potion of healer Odina appeared (Or Eris? I don't remember). Coincidence?
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Most people believes that it was Ehekatl that's playing the wish-granting role. She's the god of fate, after all; pulling some strings won't be hard for her!
Granted, her mind is fickle like a cat, so unless you asked nicely, with correct spelling, wording and all she could still hear wrong and grant you different thing than what you're asking.
For meta reasons, text parser isn't your friend.
Unlikely, responses are out of her character, and precision in asking (not asking nicely) as well, since she looks like carefree person.
It suits Mani more, but his thing is not wishes. Perhaps it's Eyth? Since he was the most powerful god, as far as I know. And if he made all or almost all wishes come true, it's only reasonable why people mostly choose him in the past. But now it's very hard to get wishes, since Eyth fell into the Void.
Sounds logical?
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Well, Rod of Wishes and Spell of Wishes exists, so whoever that granting everybody's wishes both can be easily reached and have a valid contact address since spells and such needs precise and exact formulation. Wish is non-elemental magic, so it wasn't related to any elemental gods; that left Mani, Yacatect and Ehekatl. As you have surmised, Mani doesn't want to do anything with non-machines, Yacatect won't give anything without money in return. That left only Ehekatl as the possible wish granter.
As far as the wish granter being Eyth, it's still possible since he can still do things like bless water if you drop it on empty altar and pray (while having Eyth as your god), so he can still exert some type of power from Void. It's just doesn't really fit with the game's lore.
As I said before, text answers for wishes are not typical for Ehekatl, they are too depressed. And for some reason the one who grants wishes, laughs, when you wish for a name. Why not giving scroll of a name instead? I guess the one, who is infidel (Eyth of infidel. Eyth in whom no one believes) just doesn't care about anything anymore after being stuck in the Void.
Why doesn't this fit the lore?
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You can summon both gods and their secret treasures with a wish. Granted, it's just a fragment of them, an avatar, if you want to put it that way, but why would the gods abide for a command from Eyth (especially Mani and Lulwy) to send their avatar before you? Do they have an obligation to fulfill Eyth's commands, even after he's being sealed in the Void? It simply doesn't make sense.
Yes, there are certain points that gives you the idea of Eyth being the wish-granter (like wishing for 'altar' always spawns a 'godless' altar, i.e Altar of Eyth) but it makes perfect sense: you created a brand new altar from nothingness. How could it be assigned to any of the gods? Even the holy waters you wished won't have the 'blessed by x god' bit.
Perhaps he is strong enough to send their avatars without asking them? Just like you can summon random monsters and allies.
You created? But it's not you who created, you just wished for something and someone granted that wish. Some wishes can't be granted like Holy Well. Instead you get the message "They are sold out". It means that someone tried to fulfill the wish, but it can't give you what you can't find/buy naturally, with some limitations as well. You can't wish for unique items. They are someone's property, and Eyth is not a thief. So, he can only give something, that don't belong to someone, or can be bought (Yeah, imagine Eyth taking something from someone's inventory leaving the money or items of equal cost, and sending you the item you wished for).
That's why he also gives altars that "don't belong to anyone", and you can find them in the Void and in random dungeons, if I remember correctly.
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Yeah, that argument makes less sense. Unless Eyth is responsible for creating monsters (it's Tezcatlipoca's domain) and he has enough power to force-send avatars like that he's gonna be a valid bona fide god of summons that people worship.
Secondly, there's supposed to be an 'if' on the altar argument. 'If you created a new altar from scratch, it doesn't belong to any god'. And you CAN wish for things like Dowsing Opatos, Yacatect Bank, Mani Alarm, Secret Experience of Kumiromi (which are godly items) or Secret Experience of Lomias (!) which is only obtainable by killing him, meaning it's his property. You also can wish for redemption/atonement, which means whoever granting the wish can make people forget about your crimes.
Why following that logic Eyth should be the one responsible for summoning monsters? That makes no sense. His specialization is for summoning things, yes, but not for the sake of evil, since he doesn't even rob anyone. Yet if you wish for death, it's your problem.
You can buy them for 100000 gp
You can find them in the Void by killing doppelgangers/copies of Lomias and fairy. Creatures there are obviously not original ones, so, it doesn't matter if you kill them, BUT ROBBING THEM IS A CRIME for some reason. Killing them is okay.
You can buy such service in Noyel. Consider Eyth paying for your crimes.
Didn't understand this. After all. it's not you who creating wished things, and Eyth summoning only "his" altars, regarding creating them from scratch or not, since you already can find them anywhere.
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It's a hypothetical question. Suppose you, with lumber, nails and cloth, create a new altar by your hand. That altar won't be aligned to any gods, right? Then if an 'empty' new altar gets summoned, how do you know it's Eyth's? Who actually responsible for tracking whose altar's which?
And that links to the summoning/items problem: how can you 100% say the items granted by wish are not pre-owned by anyone? The nefias are chock-full of items, that we do know (by lore) got put there as treasures to lure adventurers inside. You can also find corpses of adventurers which you can bury for karma or loot for items, but what about items they dropped? Who can distinguish between items 'dropped' by adventurers during their travels and items spawned by nefias? Yes, you can buy the godly items for money, but that also opens the question: can it be that those items got bought from someone blessed by those gods for money and then resold to others for money, or did that items were bought straight from the gods by money? Certainly, it's not the latter, since other than Yacatect most gods doesn't care about money.
Next, for the absolution problem. The church in Noyel is quite famous, and related to the kingdom. Churches (even IRL) (used to) sell absolution services, i.e indulgences, which is actively monitored by the goverment. Hence, "buying" yourself out of crime is actually a paralegal activity as much as bribing the police to forgot your crime. But WISHING for your crime to be absolved is another thing; there's nobody to witness you getting absolved; both the church and the kingdom doesn't know that you made a wish to be absolved, yet your crimes gets pardoned somehow. How does it work? Did the wish-granting individual casted a collective memory-loss spell and erases your criminal record, or made an oracle that 'individual x's (insert certain crime here) is absolved!' to the members of the church or the army? If the second scenario was the case, then whoever individual it is must be a god which has significant amount of believers.
Since you start the game believing in Eyth, perhaps it means there is no such thing as atheism, and any altar belongs to someone.
Of course you can't distinguish how items were obtained, but there is no evidence that would deny my logic, right? So my theory is still possible.
Consider game's logic as very simplified, since when you have negative karma, entering the Noyel, guards will try to kill you immediately. And once you buy indulgence, they forget about anything. Sounds stupid, right? So, Eyth buying indulgence for you sounds not so stupid in this case.
I never thought I would find a lore/logic discussion on elona here of all places, I am not really an expert in terms of lore, or gameplay for that matter other than the hours spent reading the wiki, but is Eyth not just a made up name for ateism?
I remember reading somewhere that he does not actually exist, I may be wrong and maybe I should read the entire conversation if it has already been answered but that is what I know, the entire whish system is something like a dev tool as far as I know, it does not really have an in universe explaination, it would be kinda cool if it did,
man now I want to play the game again, I never got that far into it normally, the controls are a bit too much for me, but it is to this day one of the most in depth games I have ever seen, only games like this are so incredibly complex, forgoing graphics for gameplay is something that more modern games should do honestly,
this is a very different comment from my usual ones, the mindset with which I approach an RPG like this is very different from the mindset I have for porn games, still sorry for the wall of text