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If the lack of a few boobs and ass shots makes you feel like that...yeah, maybe you should. Maybe go outside too, get some fresh air and reevaluate your life.
Tldr: Stop being so dramatic.
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- Jul 9, 2017
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There are more tits and ass in those two folders than most of the game tbh.A folder with exclusive images that's the DLC.
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Play the Beta with the decensor mod and the ipatch. No matter how deflated you are right now, just give it a try. You will like it far better I promise you.
Ocean was upfront about it and the second season will be 18+ and im pretty sure it will involve lewds but probably not already in chapter 6. I mean yeah he did cut a few semi-sexual (more like nudity really) scenes out of it but it was intentional that Nika isnt really up for sexy times from the get go.
I could understand the doubt of Ocean's intentions (and maybe abilitys?) if SG would be his only AVN. But Wiab s1 will already be 18+ and involves lewds which proves that ocean has the ability and no qualms with developing them.
Unlike Nika, William is sexually active and therefore lewds fit the story.
Not gonna lie, i think some of the nudity changes are strange too, its valid to discuss if reworks were necessary or if it was smart to make the first sg season 16+. Ocean obviously intended another outcome with the german steam fiasco and the music but i imagine it was a valuable learning experience as you said.
But due to Wiab i feel completly relaxed about Ocean's intention about lewds/nudity/18+ in SG.
I think he considered it a buisness opportunity going well along with the fact that nika isnt up for sex in the first 5 chapters anyway, it kinda fit together. While it would have been unthinkable to tone down wiab to such a level.
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The game will only end if he hires people to help him, there are 2 developers who I think have similar traits to Ocean, but I don't think they would stop their games to work on SG
Right, but to me the most mind-boggling thing is: Why even try to make S1 16+??? If he really is intending for S2 to be R-rated, like why even do that? How would that work? Is S2 gonna be its own game (as in not just DLC)? Is he just trying (and failing) to go around Steam's system? Is it just a money thing?
I dunno, it's all weird and pretty sus, tbh... as for it being a "valuable learning experience", I mean, sure I guess, but like he could've just taken notes of what happened with Undergrad Steve's "Unscripted"... that was a massive failure.
Ocean chose to get into the porn business, it's kinda disingenous that he'd even try to backpedal it and attempt to turn his game into a PG-13 thing... that's not what his consumers (and I mean the AVN consumers at large, not just his patreon fanboys) expect from this type of product.
Which also ties to the music thing, it's funny seeing people use that as a valid excuse, but like, I'm sure he was fully aware of the risks involved in licensing music when working on R-rated products, so then why do it in the first place? And if he actually wasn't aware and just spent money on music licenses without doing the bare minimum of research, then whose fault is that?
I get people defending stuff they like and enjoy, but at some point you need to ask some hard questions. There's been a lot of things Ocean has done wrong, either nefariously or just out of sheer incompetence or stuborness, that doesn't really matter, what matters is that it happened and people are right to point it out.
The girls all looking the same and the obsession with wealth and not having money is just tiresome, but not as much as the 'oh I'm so depressed I can't even get an erection'. lmao.
I mean the music fiasco is obviously oceans fault but i feel like we have to give these devs some slack. These arent professionall companys, these are in most cases (rather young) people who need to have pretty good digital-art skills and at least some writing skills and a understanding of storys and characters.
I just think its too harsh to blame them for not being the perfect buisness managers from the get go too.
I think he thought that when he keeps it 16+, he will be able to release it in germany with steam. I can understand that a dev tries to get some exposure in his homecountry with his game. From this viewpoint it wasnt a problem to get music which is only licensed for 16+ and not for porn games for the first season.
It obviously failed but the steam/germany guidelines are just completly nonsensical. Witcher 3 has literally more expicit lewds than SG at this point yet SG isnt allowed.
He took a risk and failed but it wasnt out of malice or anything like that.
In beta MC and Nami had a talk before his date with Bella where it's revealed he can only get hard if he thinks of Summer. Which is tbh fucking sick considering she was like 12 or 14 when they last saw each other. They also had this talk if you do the Nami romance and go to the lake. Not sure if both of these conversations were removed in the latest rework.
And normally I wouldn't blame them, I'm fully aware that this is an indie genre of games made by amateurs, who we shouldn't even call "devs", tbh, because they're really not... they're creators at best. But anyhoo, my point is, I do give them a lot of leeway because of that... HOWEVER, if they're just amateurs, maybe they shouldn't be trying to sell their stuff on Steam (or at all, tbh)... BUT if they're gonna do that, then we should ABSOLUTELY hold them to a higher standard too.
You just can't have your cake and eat it too... You can try, but that shit ain't gonna fly.
I haven't played the new update yet. So there is no new content? Just rework (or censor) of the existing content?
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Be realistic. You are actually articulate, and can list in detail what you like and don't like. Half the complaints here show people who downloaded the game on hype and did a speedrun at best. If someone doesn't like the game that's fine, but the repeated hysterics, repeated digs repeated jokes don't even have any effort put in. "My kids will play this" really? How original is that thought twenty times on the same page? I get there are new people, but they're not even reading the comment above them, let alone reading SG. I'd rater discuss things with people like yourself who have actual perception, even if I disagree. A litany of hate is not equal to a decent critque.
No one literally knows. Ocean has decided that publishing LI status is too much of a spoiler, so you will have to play blind for now.
100%. Some of Nika's responses were pretty telling: "It ...wasn't my fault ...I had no other choice". I'm pretty sure that wasn't like that before, it's definitely elevated the idea that there was a situation and Nika was an active participant of whatever went down, he did something he believes negatively affected Summer, and is potentially the reason for her absence.Just a slight change in the MC's answer to Amber's question: "I get the feeling that you are... Let's say in some way blaming yourself?" certainly gives more food for theories
I'm outta reactions, but yeah, I also believe he'll learn. The big difference between this rework and any future editing, is that in order to remove the parts of the game that had Regium's involvement (pretty sure that'd be a potential legal headache), the continuity from Ch1 to Ch2 looked disgusting. Ch2 to Ch3 is passable, but I absolutely value the depth Ocean went to to make things more consistent. Even little touches like the bar scene, explaining that they've been let so Layla can make sure everything's working/soft launching the bar. Before they just appear in a bar, and then the bar is opening later. There are still a few coninuity problems, but on the whole I think the rework was net positive, as the anticipation of the workload was vastly underestimated. In reality, he should have just initiated the same process as WiaB once he cut the dark path, I sincerely believe that would've been faster. But that's all history, I don't think there will ever need to be a situation where Ocean will need to do this. Since Wiab restarted, it's been remarkably consistent, so I believe that same continuity will be possible now SG S1 is done.
I think you should play it and make your own mind up. the signal to noise ratio here is pretty screwed up. I wouldn't play the beta, because there is no forward development for the beta. Make your decision about whether you like the game on what is canon. If you play the beta and then decide not to play the full, you'll have wasted time, because S2 takes over from S1, and there are currently significant continuity errors in the beta, so you have to guess some of what's beening shown. The full has a consistent approach, barring a few minor inconstencies few people would trigger.
It's been stated many times, you just chose not to believe it. You are sure he knew the risk? that sounds like an assumption. Probably 90% of AVN devs just pirate (and risk takedown notices) sounds - there's my assumption - so who does Ocean have to ask advice from? Didn't it happen to Drifty and DPC too? Should they not sell because they should've known better? It actually seems to me that Ocean navigated a bad situation the only way he could work out. Could he have done better? Probably, but here we are. To assume any kind of malice or ulterior motive regards the probelms the music created in this situation is just projection of your desires of what you wish the project could be.
No one ever becomes a legit business by this artificial standard. All businesses were once amateur startups. Once people reach a certain level of people wanting their product, it's natural to capitalise it. You're making it weird, as though some people are allowed to be an enterpreneur and others are not even allowed to learn. If Ocean finds a market (he has) then he can sell and learn as he goes, just like governments and banks make it up as they go. If he fails, well, we've seen banks collapse before right?
Ch5 Full was simply the reworks that hadn't been added to Ch5 beta. All the reworks are done. Once Ocean submitted to steam, he ticked 'occasional nudity" as a content description, which steam rejected because 1.5% ish is frequent nudity to them. So Ocean started cutting lewd content to get it under the line so he didn't lose the music.
The next update will be all new content, with no limitation of music licenses as I'm pretty sure Ocean has PTSD over the music issue by now.
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I mean you can of course demand that only AVN's which excell in everything from the get go are sold on steam. But where does that leave us? In this case there would only be a single avn sold on steam in my opinion. And this AVN wouldnt even have been made without a strong temptation for the dev to earn money with it.
It would leave us with way less avn's being made which i think is a bad thing. The devs being able to full invest themselfes into the creation of the avn without money struggles just leads to more avns being created which means more good ones will arise aswell.
Its not like anyone is forced to buy it on steam and lets not forget what a buggy mess a lot of normal games (or even worse early excess games) on steam are when they are published. Theres a lot of good and bad indie stuff. If you want a only aaa-store you have to look at ea origin or whatever its called, there are a lot of "polished" aka soulless aaa-games for everyone who wants this kind of stuff.
More money due to sales allows the devs to become more profesionall aswell and esp in ocean's case .. i dont even want to know how much he pays for electricity every month, its fucking expensive atm in germany and he invests his money in a lot of pc upgrades too.
Im just saying, more avn's on steam - even bad ones - isnt a bad thing imo if you want more AVN's to be produced.
Of course youre free to hold them to a higher standart or to say "an avn like SG is below my standarts and i would prefer avns like these to not exist" but it seems pretty selfish and strange.
And AVNs and the involved topics/kinks have so many traps for devs, you wont be able to make everyone happy anyway. There will always be a crowd of people disliking certain aspects so strongly that they dislike the entire avn.
I mentioned the nami spanking scene and her not pulling down her pants down anymore on discord and ocean said he will bring that back with the topless nami lake scene.
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