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why is BB so popular?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by styggtuff12, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. LimitIess

    LimitIess New Member

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    The reason it got as popular as it is now is quite simple.
    Back in the day, the whole adult game industry was filled with half-assed RenPy / RPG Maker games.
    Besides ICSTOR, ICCreations and a handful of others, there really weren't any quality projects out there.

    Here is where Big Brother entered. Quality renders and a refreshing interface, similar to those made by LOP, that departed from the oversaturated RPG Maker bullshit. No wonder it got the hype that it got.

    I'm not saying that I like the game, but at the time that it came out it had no competition.
     
  2. King Monkey Mon

    King Monkey Mon Well-Known Member

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    wasnt glassix dating my daughter and corruption out during the time big brother came out?
     
  3. DarthSeduction

    DarthSeduction Lord of Passion Donor Game Developer

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    Corruptions art looks creepy as fuck. And Dating my Daughter also did extremely well. So I am not sure of what the point you want to make is.
     
  4. Tommybuns

    Tommybuns Well-Known Member Donor

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    If anything MOTH is nowhere near the level of corruption and blackmail as BB. I agree with most of your point though. But some people play games to escape from reality. I doubt people who play games with rape or incest would actually do those kinds of acts irl.
     
  5. King Monkey Mon

    King Monkey Mon Well-Known Member

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    corruption is honey select art and i think its better then big brother and bad intention and dual family the point i was trying to make i think there were about 10 or so games that were popular around the time big brother came out not to mention there was akabur whos been around for a while
     
  6. DarthSeduction

    DarthSeduction Lord of Passion Donor Game Developer

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    I've only seen one honey select game that doesn't completely creep me out, and that's A Perverted Family.
    It's the unnatural plastic look that kills me.
    But look, you can probably go back and find a nice handful of games that came out then. That handful didn't compare to the flood that has resulted since.
     
  7. King Monkey Mon

    King Monkey Mon Well-Known Member

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    i guess we can agree to disagree since well i dont really consider perverted family honey select art since they dont have that Japanese feel to them like corruption and maxs life have and i made a side joke about that i rather fap to corruption then dual family since the only thing good about that game is the art which is probably even better then dreams and desire
     
  8. DarthSeduction

    DarthSeduction Lord of Passion Donor Game Developer

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    Incest and rape aren't even in the same category. I don't harbor any romantic feelings toward my family members, but if I'm honest, I don't see a problem with a consenting incestuous union. As long as they aren't pumping out retards who am I to judge.

    The moment you remove consent your fantasy is simply a nightmare in reverse.

    For the most part I think cartoon porn and violence is just that, cartoons. However there is something to be said for the effect of media on culture. No, grand theft auto isn't going to cause everyone who plays it to go on a rampage. No dating my daughter isn't going to cause a Pedo father outbreak. However, grand theft auto does normalise and even glorify violence in a way that makes us associate it with problem solving.

    Similarly games that depict women as an object to be obtained after jumping through a series of hoops reinforces misogynistic social norms like white Knights and the idea that girls like assholes.

    Yes it's all in a safe environment and no one is getting hurt, but this medium would be a great way to simulate a healthy sexual relationship for those who are in dire need of seeing what that means.

    A healthy sexual relationship doesn't mean no corruption and no taboo ideas like incest or exhibitionism. It means that the adults are both human beings who both take an active role in pursuing their personal perversion.

    If you're into the idea of dominating your sister and she's a willing sub, then go for it.
    Don't try and justify to me the concept of blackmailing her into it though.
     
  9. Tommybuns

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    I dont think I was trying to justify corruption just stating the obvious that MoTH really isnt a corruption game. Yeah you blackmail Veronica, but you find out she likes being submissive. Youre not forcing yourself on her, but finding out something new about her character. The end result is consensual just like everything else in the game. I get that theres a fine líne with corruption and blackmail, but MoTH doesnt cross it where as BB does. If youre not into it you would most certainly hate BB, but thats just one part of the game that makes it terrible for some people.
     
  10. DarthSeduction

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    Yeah you totally don't turn your older sister into a sex slave and trick your mother into incest while also exploiting your younger sister's curiousity to get laid. What was I thinking.

    Again. I'm not calling out corruption in general. Corruption is a thing that totally happens concentually. I do condemn it when it happens in the context of blackmail or some other form of hyper manipulative power dynamic.

    There are plenty of ways to write female characters who are active participants in the relationship. Take Dreaming of Dana for instance. Even the sub, your secretary with daddy issues, is an active participant in your relationship. The other women in the game, Dana, Jessica, Maria, the girl who replaces your secretary if you have her move in, your secretary's roommate all initiate the sexual relationship on their own.

    Wicked Choices starts with what looks like a corruption plot based around your niece but its revealed that A your niece wanted it, and B she was the one taking advantage of you. Later there's even a Rape scene involving that niece, but it's made very clear who the bad guy is in that scene.

    The childish crap you get in BB or MotH isn't healthy. It isn't even all that good.

    I tend to set aside mind control. It is a completely science fiction element. Also, if you made someone decide they wanted you with a mental suggestion then they did want you, so while it isn't morally clean, it's not technically rape.
     
  11. Tommybuns

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    Youre kind of throwing up the think of the children nonsense vibe. These are games first and foremost. If someone cant seperate fiction from real life than its on that person not the game. A rapist is still going to rape, a murderer is still going to kill someone. You can find plenty of research on the effect of games on behavior and most if not all support that games have little to no influence on behavior. But this is going off topic so Im just going to end this discussion here Feel free to disagree if you want.
     
  12. DarthSeduction

    DarthSeduction Lord of Passion Donor Game Developer

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    I very clearly defined the difference between the think of the children nonsense vibe and the very real social impact of art on culture. I don't think these games create sexual predators. I simply think they reinforce dangerous stereotypes that allow a normalization of certain behaviors in the public consciousness. For instance, think of the whole movement over sexual assault in the world right now. Its not like sexual assault suddenly became worse, its simply that people stopped ignoring it. When you look at media though, you see that we've been normalizing sexual assault for years. In every single Indiana Jones adventure he forces a relationship on the female lead. In Blade Runner he boxes her in a corner and makes her beg for it after she has clearly said no and attempted to leave multiple times. Even the Romance between Han and Leia is full of clear no's from her and an obvioius wearing down of Leia.

    Now, I'm not singling out Harrison Ford for this, he doesn't have enough influence in hollywood to force that into all his movies. Instead I believe he was type cast as an ideal masculine idol. Writers and directors forced their ideas of sexuality into their scripts and onto the screen. As a result there's a whole generation or 3 that grows up seeing this as normal. And it is designed to look normal. The music after the characters relent all of the sudden becomes romantic, the relationship continues at least till the end, etc. It also isn't just Ford's characters. I can't think of a single Bond who isn't guilty of at least one sexual assault. Take for instance the scene from the most recent Bond film where he corners the widow of the man he killed, which of course hangs in the air between them, as she brings it up. In her home after breaking in, he forces himself on her, with an implied threat of violence.

    There's a very simple concept out there called the Bechdel Test. In this test the only requirement is that there be two women in the movie who interact with one another and who don't use this interaction solely to talk about a man. Only about half of all movies in hollywood pass this test. As a result, art influences culture, women are treated as supporting characters in their own lives. They are treated as if their purpose is to serve men. Boys grow up with the impression that a girl is an object to be won.

    Aside from actual sociopaths, no one goes out of their way to hurt other people. For the most part, sexual assault occurs not as a physically violent act, but as a response to the subversion of the expectations of people. As I said, boys grow up with the impression that they just have to win a girl. So they do things for her, get her alone, and assume that they have in fact won her. This doesn't not affect women though, there is a nagging feeling of guilt for them, do they owe him this? Couple that with the fact that many times when sexual assault actually occurs its based on a power dynamic, ie politicians, big movie producers, executives, bosses at work, etc., and you have a powder keg of men who are generous to women with the expectation of sex and the power to destroy their lives if they don't go along.

    Now, you're going to say that its all fiction, we know that. But do we really? Most of us don't really have parents who feel comfortable talking to their children about something as personal as maintaining a healthy relationship. Hell, more than half of us aren't capable of doing so, according to divorce rates, so in the end, we take our education in a roundabout way. We watch romance in movies, we try to date on our own, we figure out what works. Some of us are quick to figure out where the boudaries are, so many more of us are not. We try to get a woman drunk so she won't be as likely to say no, we lie and trick people into sex, we manipulate and subvert.

    Now, again, these things are not necessarily always bad. Alcohol is a great social ice breaker, in moderation. A few white lies to get someone to talk to you aren't going to hurt them. But it is always in moderation. And these games are so over the top that moderation is thrown out the door. If they had better writing they could give us engaging and representative stories that are far hotter than the bullshit we see in BB and the like. There are two ways to get you to an invested end, appeal to your kinks, and appeal to your emotions. If you are emotionally invested in an outcome then when it comes it is so much better than if you just walk up and watch some fucking. Add your kinks on top of that and...

    That's why for me, dreaming of dana will always be better than BB or MotH or even Dreams of Desire, which I enjoyed, because not only did I have a story with a goal of fucking my sister, but I was able to get emotionally invested in doing so.
     
  13. spooge_nugget

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    You don't seem to understand.
    The thing about incest is that it's not socially accepted, labeled as wrong and taboo. Due to this, even if there is sexual attraction there then people will repress those feelings as due to those reasons the risk is too great to act on those feelings without knowing for sure that the other party feels the same (it could destroy relationships/families) or because they're scared of how others will view/treat them.

    Take the mother in MotH for instance. She is sexually attracted to the son and the son is sexually attracted to her, yet due to the taboo of incest she tries to repress those feelings and seek help because society has taught her that it's wrong. The sons actions essentially just act as the catalyst for her to act on her feelings rather than repress them.

    The younger sister isn't being exploited. She is also sexually attracted to her brother and the whole teaching thing is merely a way of testing the waters (seeing if their feelings coincide) and an excuse to do the things that they want to. If anything, I feel that she is more the one doing the exploiting/manipulating (The sis seems to be the one most in control of things and not as naive as she appears).

    Turning the older sister into a sex slave. Really?
    Most of the advancement comes AFTER the blackmail material you have on her becomes worthless (unknown to you at the time). The initial blackmail and dominance essentially awoke her inner sub and from that point on it essentially became a consensual play (again, unknown by you until later).


    In the end, I personally feel that Faerin has dealt with the issues rather well and in a somewhat realistic way.
     
  14. sfc

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    The simple fact is the BB gets the most comments on this website and that is because it stirs something in people. For those who like(d) it, I think the reason is simple. Compared to many a porn game it avoids many common pitfalls.

    The interface is not a chore to use (RPG maker games or The Twists constant fade to black delays). The story avoid the opening monologue of many a visual novel were the MC whines about his life. It has build in hints giving you an idea of what you are supposed to be doing. The art is not so specific that it alienates many people (Summertime Sage cow tits). The writing is at readable. Incest is a popular theme but it seems to give you a choice who to pursue (not a real choice but it caters to a wider audience then a pure MILF game).

    I find it interesting that the original post claims there are many better games but fails to list any. Posts like that are common and a reason BB gets so many posts to begin with but invariable I find that the person just doesn't like games of BB story style since their preferred games have just as many language errors, grinds and unrealistic a plot.

    Personally I don't think BB is all that good but it is a lot easier to play then many other games.
     
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