can someone please post a save with all 4 of them saved i just cant get to save the last one . thanks in advance 
no one can because once you start fighting for the last one you can't save anymore once you beat her you get the ending and donecan someone please post a save with all 4 of them saved i just cant get to save the last one . thanks in advance
here is mine all 4 monks saved good endingcan someone please post a save with all 4 of them saved i just cant get to save the last one . thanks in advance
it's not that hard i survived 25 times on the last one just max your defense with save editor and block her attacks
Yeah, I kind of have to agree. My fetish is kind of femdom in general so I'm pretty easy to please but this is the first floor that really just did absolutely nothing for me. Karen's main gimmick seems to be that she smells unnaturally awful and that being in the same room is like being exposed to a chemical weapon. In what world is that sexy? Yvonne smelled, but it was because she was constantly working out. She was taking care of herself and Ethan was being forced to provide a service by cleaning her sweat. There's strong elements of femdom in that. The Karen stuff is just torture and ridiculous anime torture at that with no grounding in real life BDSM.
Karen's personality is also super unfocused. She invites Ethan into her room to toy with him and gives him chores but she also acts like a merciless warlord who just wants to decapitate him. I really have no idea what they were going for with her.
Before this I would have said that what makes this game so great is that Bo Wei really understands femdom on a deep psychological level. There's even some almost positive messaging about BDSM in some of the scenes like in the Lady Cobra candle wax scene where she talks about how at its core femdom is really about putting your complete trust in another person. Now I kind of feel like it was really Koda with his expansion content who understood femdom and Bo Wei just knows how to draw women with absurd proportions and come up with contrived anime scenarios with them as villains.
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If you were a fan of the writing in regards to the submission content for each villainess, then yes, it's Koda's work that you really admire. He writes the out of battle content and additional scenarios of submission.
Bo Wei really writes the "story" and the in battle and immediate post battle scenarios. I'm sure they consult with each other somewhat, but generally speaking Bo Wei is the guy with the foot and smell fetish.
I think they have written themselves into a corner a bit lately as a team. I feel they have gone too far into the fantasy world where odors and auras are weapons in and of themselves and have left behind any sense of, and I hate to use this term for a videogame but I will anyway, "realism" is long gone. Because of that, some users, myself included, have felt a disconnect of sorts from the characters in the game. It started with Cobra and has been continued and expounded upon by Karen. I hope they prove me wrong and have some really good stuff in store, but I think they might be in too deep now.
Huh, I never got a sense of realism from the game at all, even from the first floor. Scarlet's way too hammy for that.
Not "realism" but "plausibility" or even "credibility" methinks. Or, you know, just not pushing the suspension of disbelief past the breaking point.
And when you start talking about weaponized body odors you're pretty much infringing on the territory of Nurgle, he of the Warhammer fame, which can start raising eyebrows if the setting wasn't originally into those levels of gleeful insanity...
And when you start talking about weaponized body odors you're pretty much infringing on the territory of Nurgle, he of the Warhammer fame, which can start raising eyebrows if the setting wasn't originally into those levels of gleeful insanity...
Real life BDSM IS super hammy. A huge part of it is theater and roleplay. But there's really nothing that Scarlett does or makes Ethan do that couldn't be emulated in real life. It's super easy to fantasize about. Khalan's really the first villainess where the things she does defy the possible. And even then, it's mostly just the trophy bad end. The beat downs and humiliation are somewhat plausible. Cobra has some supernatural stuff but her submission content is actually pretty grounded. You can find tons of real life examples of everything that goes on in those latex scenes.
Karen dominates you with her supernatural aura driving you insane. I don't even know how you fantasize about that. She's more eldritch abomination than dominatrix.
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with pantyhose and boots, lmao c'mon dude
personally i'm digging karen and this floor aesthetically. it's been a little disappointing so far in terms of h-scenes, but i love me a spooky evil bitch, and yes, i am aroused by the prospect of her actually being dangerous.
I'm glad people feel distressed and threatened by Karen (even though some people say it as a complaint, ha!). This is intentional, and even if she doesn't match your kinks, I'd like to believe it adds a sort of gameplay thrill in the same way that Lu Bu busting out the gates in Dynasty Warriors used to.
That said, I'm actually a big softie so I sympathize with not wanting anything bad to happen to the Monks (and dialed the endings way back from Bo's original drafts, which were borderline depression-porn). Hopefully the balance changes will make the task of saving them less daunting.
Please understand that when you work on something for so long, many non-obvious aspects of it become second nature, which caused Bo and I to overlook a lot of hints and telegraphy (sorry). I think Karen will be less frustrating when it's clearer that ATK/DEF are irrelevant, how her stacking ATK works, that her "Chains" are not traditional Grabs or Stuns and cannot always be prevented as such... and a few things to make the fight easier outright (most with ero elements~!).
For the people accusing us of punishing save editors: this is untrue. We don't care at all if you save edit (with the exception of making bug reports about something you broke that's impossible in normal play). It was simply an oversight that Karen deals % damage while Potions have flat healing, which causes an increasingly insurmountable disparity the higher level/HP you have. Many honest grinders were equally affected, poor guys. Potions are being given some modest % healing to accomodate this (something I wanted to do eventually anyway to avoid having to make a bunch of different potions).
That said, % based attacks will likely return and be increasingly common, simply because they are much easier to balance, but they should still primarily be a function of "story" bosses or optional mechanics (like Yvonne's boots or Khulan's meals), so getting swole and getting rewarded for it should still apply to most cases.
As for the kink discussion: a lot of you need to broaden your horizons. Stuff like "weaponized odor" and "eldritch domination" is actually more vanilla and common-place than a lot of stuff in the game. There's a ton of lewd stuff involving mind-flayers and otherwise tentacular/psionic mind-breaks, as well as gas-masks, medical/stink bondage... even SS/Nazi stuff if you want to fetishize the idea of Karen being some sort of evil, leather-clad threat more than the stink itself. (Picking those examples because they're the most recent, not trying to call those users out.)
The same is true for the "shonen drama" some people are complaining about. For myself (and many others), the submissive options and scenarios the MC encounters are sexier if there's an actual heroic counterweight. Becoming a legitimate threat to the tower also ups the ante (psychologically, if nothing else) about what the women can/will/must do tame him. It's fine if that does nothing for you or you think it's cheesy (it absolutely is), but analyzing those events under the assumption that they're not meant to have fetish value will lead you to incomplete conclusions.
Obviously I'm not saying anyone needs to like, appreciate, or approve of any particular kink, but a lot of people seem to draw the line at what's even a "conceivable" fetish at precisely where their own tastes end, which is silly and solipsistic. It's nearly 2019: if you don't understand a fetish, look it up (this goes triple for the folks who still haven't figured out that pegging/futa/traps/mm are different things, by the way).
Anyway, thanks for everyone's feedback. I can't read everything because this thread tends to move super fast, but I do try to check in now and then. Cheers!
That said, I'm actually a big softie so I sympathize with not wanting anything bad to happen to the Monks (and dialed the endings way back from Bo's original drafts, which were borderline depression-porn). Hopefully the balance changes will make the task of saving them less daunting.
Please understand that when you work on something for so long, many non-obvious aspects of it become second nature, which caused Bo and I to overlook a lot of hints and telegraphy (sorry). I think Karen will be less frustrating when it's clearer that ATK/DEF are irrelevant, how her stacking ATK works, that her "Chains" are not traditional Grabs or Stuns and cannot always be prevented as such... and a few things to make the fight easier outright (most with ero elements~!).
For the people accusing us of punishing save editors: this is untrue. We don't care at all if you save edit (with the exception of making bug reports about something you broke that's impossible in normal play). It was simply an oversight that Karen deals % damage while Potions have flat healing, which causes an increasingly insurmountable disparity the higher level/HP you have. Many honest grinders were equally affected, poor guys. Potions are being given some modest % healing to accomodate this (something I wanted to do eventually anyway to avoid having to make a bunch of different potions).
That said, % based attacks will likely return and be increasingly common, simply because they are much easier to balance, but they should still primarily be a function of "story" bosses or optional mechanics (like Yvonne's boots or Khulan's meals), so getting swole and getting rewarded for it should still apply to most cases.
As for the kink discussion: a lot of you need to broaden your horizons. Stuff like "weaponized odor" and "eldritch domination" is actually more vanilla and common-place than a lot of stuff in the game. There's a ton of lewd stuff involving mind-flayers and otherwise tentacular/psionic mind-breaks, as well as gas-masks, medical/stink bondage... even SS/Nazi stuff if you want to fetishize the idea of Karen being some sort of evil, leather-clad threat more than the stink itself. (Picking those examples because they're the most recent, not trying to call those users out.)
The same is true for the "shonen drama" some people are complaining about. For myself (and many others), the submissive options and scenarios the MC encounters are sexier if there's an actual heroic counterweight. Becoming a legitimate threat to the tower also ups the ante (psychologically, if nothing else) about what the women can/will/must do tame him. It's fine if that does nothing for you or you think it's cheesy (it absolutely is), but analyzing those events under the assumption that they're not meant to have fetish value will lead you to incomplete conclusions.
Obviously I'm not saying anyone needs to like, appreciate, or approve of any particular kink, but a lot of people seem to draw the line at what's even a "conceivable" fetish at precisely where their own tastes end, which is silly and solipsistic. It's nearly 2019: if you don't understand a fetish, look it up (this goes triple for the folks who still haven't figured out that pegging/futa/traps/mm are different things, by the way).
Anyway, thanks for everyone's feedback. I can't read everything because this thread tends to move super fast, but I do try to check in now and then. Cheers!
I think the shinning scene of boots sniffing could be the scene, though it only mainly shows the upper half of the picture.
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Plausibility is a good word for it. It seems that since Cobra started talking about mind controlling venom sweat in her pantyhose, we have crossed over into the supernatural in a way that, at least for me, takes away from the appeal of the bosses. It's one thing to stretch the idea of what is or isn't actually possible, it is quite another to tear it to shreds and piss on the remains. I have to think that super powerful, cum-inducing foot stink has crossed into the "not plausible" territory.
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It's hardly a choice if you're being nudged heavily in one direction. You really don't think there are people who want to get the good end but don't want to submit to Karen? Best CG for me this update (which doesn't involve Karen, of course) is locked behind Karen submission. Where's MY choice?
All you need to do to get past Scarlett is let her beat you up once, not four times. You don't need to let her grab you, and no one is getting lobotomized by her smell if you lose. You don't need to have played the Shoe Challenge to move the story forward. You can skip Scarlett, it's possible to fight Yvonne at lvl 2, she even has dialogue for it if you do. However you can't skip Karen, even if you don't want to get the best ending, you'll still have to sit through a lot of her shit if you ever decide to start a new run, she's the first non-optional villainess, and I don't care if it's explained in the story, if it's because Bo would've felt bad if you skipped it, or if it's because that's what femdom is all about. It goes against the devs' design philosophy.