VN Ren'Py The Libido Enigma [Ch. 2.5] [broiler_x]

[BTLD]

love how some are insulting everyone saying anything remotely bad (from their PoV) about the game and yet ... they are still not subbed ... ))
"yeah man keep the game with hoes and sluts and everything it's going great, look at all the support you're getting bruh!!"
yikes...

 

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Truth is some will leave but most will stay bcuz creatively and technically, this game is very good at it's core. In an era w/an ocean of shite adult games, that means something. And keep in mind, once this current wave of whiny dregs takes their toys and goes home, you'll have your loyals while still attracting new players. If and when you rework the story, ALWAYS communicate and clarify why in the changelog, and move on. Players in general are very forgiving as long as changes are legit improvements. Upgrade/maintain an engaging, provocative banner and gallery on the OP and most people will form a "Will I play or won't I" impression from these visuals, especially newbs. If your visuals "sell" the game well enough (and your models are hot enough to easily do this btw), most people won't even give AF about any shortcomings from the original v1 or v2. For newbs it will just be an extended v3.

Thanks. Chapter 3 is coming along so well, and I love it! I will make some changes to chapter 2 and release that soon. This game was really meant to be a romantic and intriguing thriller, and I wasn't trying to offend anyone really. I'm trying to focus on the quality of writing, visuals and music (no has mentioned the music, I spent so much time on that and even payed real money to license some of these songs... I suck for trying to play by the rules, lol). Anyway, I'm trying my best to be accommodating, without hurting the story arc. I think I can do both without compromise.

 

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love how some are insulting everyone saying anything remotely bad (from their PoV) about the game and yet ... they are still not subbed ... ))
"yeah man keep the game with hoes and sluts and everything it's going great, look at all the support you're getting bruh!!"
yikes...

Look, I'm listening and trying to make some changes that's all I can do. I still don't think that 38 year old Isabella is a hoe or a slut for having a couple of guys as booty call (in the past!). I've been there. She is certainly not a cum whore for thousands of guys as someone stated. But I will change that. Yeah, I get the Brooke hate and it will also be addressed. I think I'm being very reasonable, just give me some time. Thanks for the input, I honestly appreciate it.

 

[th3n]

Look, I'm listening and trying to make some changes that's all I can do. I still don't think that 38 year old Isabella is a hoe or a slut for having a couple of guys as booty call (in the past!). I've been there. She is certainly not a cum whore for thousands of guys as someone stated. But I will change that. Yeah, I get the Brooke hate and it will also be addressed. I think I'm being very reasonable, just give me some time. Thanks for the input, I honestly appreciate it.

I think the people are being a lot of harash on you, its your game do it like you like it. Personally I haven't played it and I don't know if I will play it, but I think the points that LI's are not attractive to players are already firmly made, I don't think there is any more need to attack the dev. If you want, get the feedback if you dont, then dont. I know it cost a lot of effort to do a game, dont surrender dev, your game it's not for me xd, but some people with like it, never give up!

 

[quinfax]

Take into account that this is a pirate forum. You'll get some useful help or suggestions. But most of the time people will complain that its not the same game as the previous one. With the exact same girls and characters. Most wont support the stuff even if you made their perfect game. Like some people have said the vocal minority speak the loudest while people who are okay with it will say nothing.

All I can say is stay true to the story, characters, and vision. If there are elements that can be modified that won't break these things then sure change them up. They say that the final product should be your 5th rewrite at least.

I overall enjoyed the release. Especially the Isabella scene.

Keep up the good work. Looking forward to chapter 3.

 

[Avaron1974]

I really enjoyed it. Be interesting to see where it goes from here.

That being said, as a woman I don't have the same opinion as some of the guys on the girls pasts because i'm not really putting myself in the MC's place. I'll hold of on commenting on that topic until things have been settled for everyones benefit.

That being said, everything else is good. Plenty of potential for this to be a pretty big game. From what i've read it seems the back stories can be altered in a way that doesn't hurt the story or characters so things are looking hopeful.

 

[Chris2041]

Look, I'm listening and trying to make some changes that's all I can do. I still don't think that 38 year old Isabella is a hoe or a slut for having a couple of guys as booty call (in the past!). I've been there. She is certainly not a cum whore for thousands of guys as someone stated. But I will change that. Yeah, I get the Brooke hate and it will also be addressed. I think I'm being very reasonable, just give me some time. Thanks for the input, I honestly appreciate it.

The problem is that she can have all the booty calls that she wants but i dont need or want to know that if when i starting to take a interest in a girl and then she talks to me about all his past sex experiences in gonna lose my interest very fast and leave her to the streets
The other girl whit his prostitution job is more hard to do probably worst idea for a job to a girl in a romance porn game .

 

[Takkertje]

Damnit, I meant to adjust the volume, but it totally slipped my mind, sorry! I'm not familiar with CTRL hold for skipping, I need to look into that. Is that a way to skip things you haven't seen yet? I know TAB is for skipping content you have already seen.

A few other things on the lab questions: The two people behind her in the hallway don't work in a lab, they are both admin/regulatory folks. They are headed to an office. The lab is new in that it was a recent expansion into an unused space at the company as they needed more lab space heading into clinical trials. I've worked in biotech for many years at the bench and this has happened to me personally twice. So she has been there 6 months but she just got moved into a new lab space. Lastly regarding her parents and the lack of libido I had similar potential reservations, but my wife signed off on that so I decided that was enough for me!

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it!

Please dear dev , it's been for over a month (almost 2) now players over here reported CTRL (Skip function) isn't working.
Usually a standard 'tool'.
Is it really that difficult for you to make a fix for this or did you forget?
I would really appreciate if you do.
I'm sure that i'm not the only one.
I'm a skipman who doesn't need all conversations.

 

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Please dear dev , it's been for over a month (almost 2) now players over here reported CTRL (Skip function) isn't working.
Usually a standard 'tool'.
Is it really that difficult for you to make a fix for this or did you forget?
I would really appreciate if you do.
I'm sure that i'm not the only one.
I'm a skipman who doesn't need all conversations.

Really? Crap. I fixed that the day it was brought up and I tested it on both a Mac and PC. I'm using it right now and both Tab and CTRL work for skipping. I also tested that function on Monday with the final build of Chapter 2 on a naive PC and naive Mac just to be certain.

Can you tell me some information so that I can try and figure this out? What platform are you running? Did you originally play Chapter 1 when it came out and then recently installed the new update this week, or did you start from the beginning this week for the first time? Does the skipping function never work, or only in certain parts. Does Tab work for skipping?

As an aside, for those who want to know what caused this issue, it was quite simple. I didn't know how to make a splash screen (the 'broiler_x' logo at the start of the game). I found a tutorial and copied the example code and added my logo and sound effect. Unfortunately within that code was the following line:

$ _skipping = False

Oops! I assume it was in there so people couldn't skip the splash screen in the example? That was one of the last things I did for chapter 1 and I didn't catch it. Once i removed that code skipping is working great (for me and also my wife and a friend).

Are others having this issue?

 

[shamtiiomi]

when i say i didnt like brooke this doesnt mean dev need to change anything,not bcs me or bcs anyone ,is his work his idea and creativity,but also not everyone had to like everything someone throw at you,right now i dont see the problem to dont go brooke route bcs i think is a non consequentional ,but maybe ther is some bad changes in the future if we not interact at all wiith her,i dont know only dev knows for sure,last but non least to the dev good job bro the game is good have a nice script\story behind so no matter if the girls personalities are not top notch ,you already did the best part ,good luck to you

 

[broiler_x]

when i say i didnt like brooke this doesnt mean dev need to change anything,not bcs me or bcs anyone ,is his work his idea and creativity,but also not everyone had to like everything someone throw at you,right now i dont see the problem to dont go brooke route bcs i think is a non consequentional ,but maybe ther is some bad changes in the future if we not interact at all wiith her,i dont know only dev knows for sure,last but non least to the dev good job bro the game is good have a nice script\story behind so no matter if the girls personalities are not top notch ,you already did the best part ,good luck to you

Thanks!

I actually do understand the hate for what I did with Brooke. Brooke was originally not intended to be a main LI. I was actually going to have her secret be a plot device that was going to be revealed in Chapter 3. Her being an escort is actually tied to the issues they are having with the erratic drug efficacy (as crazy as that sounds!). So she was just going to be a side character originally, although I was always planning for the sex scene with her in Chapter 2. I thought the whole concept was kind of fun too, as she is this button down chick during the day and wild at night. But what happened was Brooke got a HUGE positive response from the brief glimpse we got of her in Chapter 1. I got lot of people asking for more Brooke, a lot more than I was expecting. So I decided to promote her to main cast for Chapter 2. I even announced her promotion on my patreon page.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do with Brooke. I have some ideas, but the plot is not coming together. I have time and I think I'll figure it out. I'm even considering moving her back to her original status and the MC will never have relations with her again, but she will fulfill her role in the plot. But, I've really fallen for her and I like her a lot (remember, I know what's going to happen and a lot happens with her so I have more information which to judge her). Also, she just looks hot when fucking, so I would hate to remove any more opportunities!

Anyway, I'm taking in all the comments and I think I'll be able to come up with a great solution. My goal is to make it work even better with the biotech plot.

 

[Vortex@]

Thanks!

I actually do understand the hate for what I did with Brooke. Brooke was originally not intended to be a main LI. I was actually going to have her secret be a plot device that was going to be revealed in Chapter 3. Her being an escort is actually tied to the issues they are having with the erratic drug efficacy (as crazy as that sounds!). So she was just going to be a side character originally, although I was always planning for the sex scene with her in Chapter 2. I thought the whole concept was kind of fun too, as she is this button down chick during the day and wild at night. But what happened was Brooke got a HUGE positive response from the brief glimpse we got of her in Chapter 1. I got lot of people asking for more Brooke, a lot more than I was expecting. So I decided to promote her to main cast for Chapter 2. I even announced her promotion on my patreon page.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do with Brooke. I have some ideas, but the plot is not coming together. I have time and I think I'll figure it out. I'm even considering moving her back to her original status and the MC will never have relations with her again, but she will fulfill her role in the plot. But, I've really fallen for her and I like her a lot (remember, I know what's going to happen and a lot happens with her so I have more information which to judge her). Also, she just looks hot when fucking, so I would hate to remove any more opportunities!

Anyway, I'm taking in all the comments and I think I'll be able to come up with a great solution. My goal is to make it work even better with the biotech plot.

Hope you can figure out Brooke, she is hot. But having sex for money is not, so it kills her for many people. I would hate to lose her

 

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Hope you can figure out Brooke, she is hot. But having sex for money is not, so it kills her for many people. I would hate to lose her

Don't worry, I'm with you. In this whole process of making this VN, something I wasn't expecting was to become so attached and fond of these characters. I've been trying to stay calm and polite, but it really hurts me when people come down so hard on my characters. Especially the Isabella comments. Calling her a slut, whore, town bike and "cum dump that has fucked thousands of NPC's"... I know it is hyperbole to make a point, I get it. But I have a real soft spot for Isabella (my wife's new nickname is "real Isabella", as I modeled a lot of Isabella after her).

Thank god there has been no hate for Emily. I have a paternal protective instinct for her. But don't worry guys, she is as pure and sweet as she seems. No surprises, I promise!

 

[DA22]

Don't worry, I'm with you. In this whole process of making this VN, something I wasn't expecting was to become so attached and fond of these characters. I've been trying to stay calm and polite, but it really hurts me when people come down so hard on my characters. Especially the Isabella comments. Calling her a slut, whore, town bike and "cum dump that has fucked thousands of NPC's"... I know it is hyperbole to make a point, I get it. But I have a real soft spot for Isabella (my wife's new nickname is "real Isabella", as I modeled a lot of Isabella after her).

Thank god there has been no hate for Emily. I have a paternal protective instinct for her. But don't worry guys, she is as pure and sweet as she seems. No surprises, I promise!

hahaha, it would be a bad thing if you as a dev did not have feelings for your character. Not played yet and considering your remarks will def wait for next update. Just one tip you may or not take into consideration, be careful with making girls that are considered to be Li's in game too mysterious and hide their good points for story reasons or fall into the trap I make an Adult game so everything has to be sexual, there is a thing as TMI (too much information) based upon your goals with a character.

You as a dev may well know your whole story and why MC should and could fall in love with them, we as players do not. So do not forget to show us before or at least quickly after we have to deal with a less desirable side of them. LI's do not have to be perfect per se, but if the game is also about romance the reasons why MC should be happy to end up with them beyond they are hot and he wants his dick wet has to outweigh their cons and if we only find out why we should or could like them after 6 months with loads of baggage before it is likely too late to change our minds, for example Carly from depraved awakenings managed to be one of the top 5 LI's for many players in AVN's despite her background.

Another example just in general "about it does not has to be Adult" with LI and might not fit game at all as you want it, you could not have shown the cheating GF sex at all ( I get why you did it, but those who play a game for the MC's exploits never really like it when first sex scene and only one is not MC), just have MC walk in, get out and get drunk with Isabella and her letting him hook up with some rebound sex with another woman, prostitute or not, where she would let him go bit regretfully and think/whisper I wish it was me, but our friendship is more important as just sex especially when drunk and on rebound and I will not risk it for just one night or even for not about adult not let MC hookup at all if ok with not having adult scene in episode 1 and let her bring him home safely tucked in and asleep and leave. You immediately set her up as interested in MC as more as another notch for her and having brains and self respect as well even if has a stable of boys on call up. Sometimes wiser to let MC come off as a bit of an ass or stupid within reason as a LI Nope, not intended that you would use this or change what did, just an example how could have done part setup differently.

Most important in the end though is you like your chars and have fun making the game as you want and your story, you can not please everyone and should not try either. If characters do not land as you wish, always wise to think why that might be, but where appropriate live and learn and where not be stubborn and trust in what you want to do.

 

[ArunPrime]

Don't worry, I'm with you. In this whole process of making this VN, something I wasn't expecting was to become so attached and fond of these characters. I've been trying to stay calm and polite, but it really hurts me when people come down so hard on my characters. Especially the Isabella comments. Calling her a slut, whore, town bike and "cum dump that has fucked thousands of NPC's"... I know it is hyperbole to make a point, I get it. But I have a real soft spot for Isabella (my wife's new nickname is "real Isabella", as I modeled a lot of Isabella after her).

Wow you are really love your characters
Same for me i like Isabelle


What is more dislike the character is the way described as a prostitaute, escort, slut, whore......
Mentioned her sex life
(why would I want know her previous sex life)
That's why some people hate her in the games including me.


I'm just played ch.2 so far okay, then the porn studio rejected her (don't know name).
Next brooke the escort there is no option avoid her.
So yeah I quit the game and writing here.

please make option to whether players want her or not

I'm not going to say how to write a stories in your game. That's not why I am here.
I say write a story, people like your characters , love your characters and want to see more her storyline.

please rewrite/reconsider the scripts don't want to ignore this game.
because of some pointless lines.

 

[broiler_x]

Wow you are really love your characters
Same for me i like Isabelle


What is more dislike the character is the way described as a prostitaute, escort, slut, whore......
Mentioned her sex life
(why would I want know her previous sex life)
That's why some people hate her in the games including me.


I'm just played ch.2 so far okay, then the porn studio rejected her (don't know name).
Next brooke the escort there is no option avoid her.
So yeah I quit the game and writing here.

please make option to whether players want her or not

I'm not going to say how to write a stories in your game. That's not why I am here.
I say write a story, people like your characters , love your characters and want to see more her storyline.

please rewrite/reconsider the scripts don't want to ignore this game.
because of some pointless lines.

Yeah, I get it totally. I am going to re-write some parts and address the issues. Re-writing Brooke is going to take some time and likely some new renders. There are big impacts on the plot for Chapter 3 that I'm trying to figure out. I have several ideas, just need to figure out what works best. I will likely make the Brooke scene optional as well, but I hope with the changes that you and others will like her so much that you will check out the sex scene because it is really good (well, at least for a novice like me). I will also change Isabella's dialogue to remove any mention of previous hook-ups (aka "booty call"). I do want to leave in the part where she talks about her previous failed relationships and that she is now single and available as that's important to establish. I really like her rare show of vulnerability and it also sends a clear signal to the MC that she is looking for Mr. Right but is worried she will never find him. Would that be acceptable to you and others?

This might take a couple of weeks, but I will be releasing a chapter 2.5 here with the changes to Brooke and Isabella.

Thanks for your input!

 

[Vortex@]

Yeah, I get it totally. I am going to re-write some parts and address the issues. Re-writing Brooke is going to take some time and likely some new renders. There are big impacts on the plot for Chapter 3 that I'm trying to figure out. I have several ideas, just need to figure out what works best. I will likely make the Brooke scene optional as well, but I hope with the changes that you and others will like her so much that you will check out the sex scene because it is really good (well, at least for a novice like me). I will also change Isabella's dialogue to remove any mention of previous hook-ups (aka "booty call"). I do want to leave in the part where she talks about her previous failed relationships and that she is now single and available as that's important to establish. I really like her rare show of vulnerability and it also sends a clear signal to the MC that she is looking for Mr. Right but is worried she will never find him. Would that be acceptable to you and others?

This might take a couple of weeks, but I will be releasing a chapter 2.5 here with the changes to Brooke and Isabella.

Thanks for your input!

"I do want to leave in the part where she talks about her previous failed relationships and that she is now single and available as that's important to establish. I really like her rare show of vulnerability and it also sends a clear signal to the MC that she is looking for Mr. Right but is worried she will never find him. Would that be acceptable to you and others?"

Very acceptable.

Look at it this way, it was a nice learning experience for what content to include in a wholesome romance tag VN

 

[DA22]

Yeah, I get it totally. I am going to re-write some parts and address the issues. Re-writing Brooke is going to take some time and likely some new renders. There are big impacts on the plot for Chapter 3 that I'm trying to figure out. I have several ideas, just need to figure out what works best. I will likely make the Brooke scene optional as well, but I hope with the changes that you and others will like her so much that you will check out the sex scene because it is really good (well, at least for a novice like me). I will also change Isabella's dialogue to remove any mention of previous hook-ups (aka "booty call"). I do want to leave in the part where she talks about her previous failed relationships and that she is now single and available as that's important to establish. I really like her rare show of vulnerability and it also sends a clear signal to the MC that she is looking for Mr. Right but is worried she will never find him. Would that be acceptable to you and others?

This might take a couple of weeks, but I will be releasing a chapter 2.5 here with the changes to Brooke and Isabella.

Thanks for your input!

Just remember you have to sell your LI's to us as potential LI's we like our MC to end up with for years and be able to trust to mainly have our backs as they should also trust we would have theirs as partners, who do not have all information about them that you have. They do not have to be perfect, just be aware you have that information advantage so try to make sure you do not fall into trap you think you sell them on information you have already, but we do not have yet.

Acceptable will depend on player to player, some of the absolute virginity cult might complain she at 38 is no virgin , while I would think it would be a big red flag something is the matter with her if she were. Hell I do not mind even if it is only during story a girl would change her mind into being open to a serious single relationship as long as makes sense within game, just I do not wish to see all her former conquests or be reminded of them constantly, but that is me. Others would love to see those scenes, it also depends on what audience you want for your story. There is no good or bad about that, just taste. Try to at least make it sense to you though MC wants to be with that LI beyond she looks hot, makes it easier to develop.

 

[broiler_x]

I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread, but I just made a huge breakthrough in figuring out how to handle Brooke. It was really tricky to figure this out, but I feel very good about this solution and I think you all will find this more palatable than any of the ideas I or others have thrown around. Not only do I think you won't be offended in the slightest, I think it will make you like Brooke even more. I hated the non-sexual escort route, there were way too many issues and everything seemed very implausible.

I don't want to post the solution here as I'd like to make it a surprise. However, I would like to bounce it off one or more of my most vocal critics and see what you think, to make sure I haven't opened up another can of worms. Send me a private message if you are willing to critique my idea. I will not provide any spoilers past what I plan to do for Chapter 2.

Thanks!

 

[Raziel_8]

Yeah, I get it totally. I am going to re-write some parts and address the issues. Re-writing Brooke is going to take some time and likely some new renders. There are big impacts on the plot for Chapter 3 that I'm trying to figure out. I have several ideas, just need to figure out what works best. I will likely make the Brooke scene optional as well, but I hope with the changes that you and others will like her so much that you will check out the sex scene because it is really good (well, at least for a novice like me). I will also change Isabella's dialogue to remove any mention of previous hook-ups (aka "booty call"). I do want to leave in the part where she talks about her previous failed relationships and that she is now single and available as that's important to establish. I really like her rare show of vulnerability and it also sends a clear signal to the MC that she is looking for Mr. Right but is worried she will never find him. Would that be acceptable to you and others?

This might take a couple of weeks, but I will be releasing a chapter 2.5 here with the changes to Brooke and Isabella.

Thanks for your input!

I think that will be a overall good choice and remove most of what was criticized for Isabella.
A choice to reject sex with Brooke will also be possitive received, how well she will be liked depends on the new idea you mentioned.

Giving the player a choice with which girls they are romantic/sexually involved is always good.
As player being forced to be involved with LI's you don't like isn't a pleasant experience for most (also a reason why having a gf/wife at the start of a game isn't popular, not a problem in this game), even more so if you want include romance and solo paths, there are even those among us which like to play monogamous runs.
Not to mention, a lot of different preferences, being it looks or personality.

Thought, personaly i'd still like to have the option to reject Isabella and/or sex with her.

It's not that i hate her character, neither do i hate Brooke (just the escort part) and yes her sex scene is good.
As for Isabella, so far she didn't convince me, so i'd like to reject her, that doesn't mean i do want her gone from the story or as a friend of the MC.
Ideally, even if you give the choice to reject them now, that doesn't need to be a final choice.
As DA22 said nicely in his post, give us and the MC the opportunity to see more of the LI's and their good sides.
This will give us the chance to see the LI's in a different light, for example Isabella being a good friend for the MC which is there and supports him, let them change our minds and grow on us.
Then you can give us another choice, if we want to pursue these LI's at a later point.

Also keep in mind, we don't have the information you have, we can only work with what we have at the moment.


I give you credit that you adress the critics which were given in a calm manner and try to improve these parts.
And i think as long as you don't go against the story you want to tell, it will be an improvement.
I'm not a creator, but i can imagine that some of the reactions you got stung, the game and characters are something you like and spend a lot of time on after all, i can only say, try to not take it too personally.