lorkdubo

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Dude is shitting on the dev because his imaginary girlfriend got hurt on a super violent game. Its directly hurting the game i like. Are you fucking blind or are you upset because you self insert too?

While I do find the act of "self insertion" incredibly sad, I won't ever bring it up unless someone tries to use it enforce their own will on how something should be.
Self-insertion is key and is always guaranteed because of how a visual novel game is structured. Even if it is kinetic, because it needs the involvement of a third party to enable the actions of the main character, as this game has "choices" that are enabled by your action. It's way different from a book that's independent of anything you do.
It doesn't mean an ego trip either, as if you have choices to make, you will rationalize the best choice or what you want to see, and that's inserting yourself.
 

Bleh21

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Self-insertion is key and is always guaranteed because of how a visual novel game is structured. Even if it is kinetic, because it needs the involvement of a third party to enable the actions of the main character, as this game has "choices" that are enabled by your action. It's way different from a book that's independent of anything you do.
It doesn't mean an ego trip either, as if you have choices to make, you will rationalize the best choice or what you want to see, and that's inserting yourself.
I think you and I both know there's a world of difference between making choices to lead the story in a certain direction and identifying yourself as the mc.
 

lorkdubo

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I think you and I both know there's a world of difference between making choices to lead the story in a certain direction and identifying yourself as the mc.
That, I agree. I also don't enjoy senseless power tripping and a main character that is a Super Gary Stu or Super Mary Sue elevated to infinity. I do have to say that using Gary Stu's or Mary Sue's as archetypes for main characters in amateur visual novels is great, as 99% of the developers and/or writers don't have any experience writing, and frankly, they suck ass. But... chill out with the character.
 

Demandred20

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Whats the ETA on the update?
If WW timeline from a couple of weeks is still holding any day now. His releases are usually in the middle of the week and the week before release he usually puts out a little teaser image just like what happened last week so unless things are radically different this time we are looking at the next couple of days.
 

Snugglepuff

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People like you are the worst kind of community member. Why do you care if people self-insert? That is their preference. It doesn't hurt you.
The problem isn't people who self-insert, it's the ones who carry that self-insert too far and stop seperating fiction from reality - they bitch about things that happened "to them", or the absolute worst that happens on these forums of people bitching about some fictional woman having sex in a game with other fictional characters that aren't "them".
 

Gtdead

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The problem isn't people who self-insert, it's the ones who carry that self-insert too far and stop seperating fiction from reality - they bitch about things that happened "to them", or the absolute worst that happens on these forums of people bitching about some fictional woman having sex in a game with other fictional characters that aren't "them".
I tend to call this phenomenon mirepresentation, but the sad reality is that some people act so fucking entitled that there is no reasonable approach that will work on them.

At the very least, in the discussion thread, as long as you are not offensive, you can post whatever you like and you will be subject to scrutiny/criticism. So when someone misrepresents for whatever reason, people can respond and set the record straight.

The worst part is when they voice their problems in the reviews.

Subtracting points for (random examples I have in mind)
- Lesbian intra-harem relationships where the game is explicit about it.
- More content for certain characters, despite them having a more prominent role in the story anyway.
- Prioritizing trap content for straight content due to story reasons.
- Violent/unreasonable protagonist, despite the game being explicit about it.
- Calling NTR when the characters in question have no relation to MC.
- Claiming that 2 tags are mutually exclusive, like Harem and Sharing, before even seeing the resolution of that content.

The problem is that you can't make any counterargument in reviews due to the medium. It's also unreasonable to report someone for misrepresentation. Not only it can be weaponized, but it's hard to prove that this is the case. Not hard in the sense that it's hard to prove it, but you have to make a complete argument, the moderator needs to be or be made familiar with the content and there is no guarantee that the direction of the novel won't change in the future.
 
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Snugglepuff

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It's also unreasonable to report someone for misrepresentation. Not only it can be weaponized, but it's hard to prove that this is the case. Not hard in the sense that it's hard to prove it, but you have to make a complete argument, the moderator needs to be or be made familiar with the content and there is no guarantee that the direction of the novel won't change in the future.
It depends on the moderator, the review, and what you say in the report... As with 99% of all reports, for better or worse.
I've reported reviews that were blatantly wrong/lying about a game and its content, and most were dealt with positively.
 

Gtdead

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It depends on the moderator, the review, and what you say in the report... As with 99% of all reports, for better or worse.
I've reported reviews that were blatantly wrong/lying about a game and its content, and most were dealt with positively.
That's good. I may attempt to report some select 1 and 2 star reviews that are blatant misrepresentation, see the reactions.
 

harem.king

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"Blank slate" in so far as we shape his development through the course of the story.
"You/Us" as in the MC is the means by which we get to immerse ourselves into the world and story, not that the protagonist is us.

We can shape him, but we are not him.
you are wrong, and I can easily prove it.
just start a new game

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"What is your name?" you are asked by the game as soon as you start a new a game.

The name you input for YOUR NAME is the name of the main character.
You ARE the main character. He is there for you to self insert into.

He even has Complete Retrograde Amnesia for his childhood (everything before the car accident) to make the self insert process smoother.
Although he is not a completely blank slate. He has a standard normal teen circle after that.
 

harem.king

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Self-insertion is key and is always guaranteed because of how a visual novel game is structured. Even if it is kinetic, because it needs the involvement of a third party to enable the actions of the main character, as this game has "choices" that are enabled by your action. It's way different from a book that's independent of anything you do.
It doesn't mean an ego trip either, as if you have choices to make, you will rationalize the best choice or what you want to see, and that's inserting yourself.
Exactly. that is literally the whole point of an adult GAME.
I never self insert in books.
I never self insert in a movie.
I never self insert when I am on pornhub watching a porno.

But in a GAME you are given a meat puppet to wear and guide through life as you make choices. Literally the whole point of the entire medium is the self insert experience.
 

Snugglepuff

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you are wrong, and I can easily prove it.
No, I'm not. No, You didn't.

Naming the player's character is older than video games, and it has never, ever meant that the player's character is the player.
You can give the PC the same name as yourself, make choices that are presented to you based on your own morality, but it is still not you.

Nobody sane has ever played Dungeons and Dragons and believed they were the Elven Cleric they made and gave the same name as themself, because there's no such thing as an Elven Cleric and all settings used in Dungeons and Dragons are fictitous, and that's a system where the players characters are referred to directly in the appropriate first and second-person perspectives by themselves and the Dungeon Master.
 
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