VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

That's on Valve. In the EU you have to have an age verification system. It's EU law. The problem with Germany is that Germany is the only country in the EU where an old catholic hag sued Valve because of the lack of said verfication system. Instead of implementing an age verification system which fits to EU law, Valve decided to shadow ban german customers from games with sexual content. Same would happen if someone in the Netherlands, Poland, Austria, Denmark, France, Italy, etc. would sue them. Valve don't want to invest money into an age verification system. As long as no one goes to court no government cares about it. But it's EU law.
No, it doesn't. It just shows you don't know the background about Steam, and just a FYI: as a german you can buy said games on Steam. You just have to know how.

Sorry, the internet got in the way, I was sarcastic (at steam, not you) about it making sense, sorry. What you say here makes actual sense, thank you.

1. SG has nudity (the rating is irrelevant)
2. Germany/the EU requires age verification for the purchase of such material.
3. Steam are cheap/lazy f**ks and won't implement an age verification system to comply with German/EU law.
4. Steam simply blocks all content falling under the age verification requirement from users in Germany, so to comply with German law.

The rating is not the problem by itself, at least not alone. It's the content shown. And the nail steam is hanging Ocean out to dry is "frequent nudity"

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But you are right the decision making on the side of steam is quite...
... questionable.

This is interesting because I'm not from Europe. Steam has hidden the webpage globally now, so you have to sign in to see it, while if I view the Epic page from the US, (17+ there) I have to verify my age with the date, but from the Netherlands it is PEGI 16, no check, can see the Epic page, japan, IARC 16 no check, can see the Epic page.

So I guess there's a very inconsistent approach. I'll try finding a free german VPN to see that, more because I'm curious.

I guess they have decided the theme of the game is sexual even if there is no sex (which honestly, it is sexualised to be fair).

 

[Tremonia]

Sorry, the internet got in the way, I was sarcastic (at steam, not you) about it making sense, sorry. What you say here makes actual sense, thank you.

Ah, okay. I didn't get the sarcasm. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Mortarion]

I'll try finding a free german VPN to see that, more because I'm curious.

No need to bother:

Without VPN from my home IP:

 

[BobTheDuck]

No need to bother:

Without VPN from my home IP:

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Now have a look at the SG page on Epic, which still shows publically in Germany and displays the USK 16 rating. Does Epic have an age verification when paying? I can't remember last time I bought a game off them.

So it seems it is simply Steam being once bitten twice shy.

 

[Mortarion]

Now have a look at the SG page on Epic, which still shows publically in Germany and displays the USK 16 rating.

Steam and Epic have the same system for survey a game, and Ocean has checked "frequent nudity" box at rare not often. on both platforms.
Steam, wants to change that from "rare" to "often" - as my screenshot shows. Now Ocean will change that on Epic as well, to have some kind consistency.

Does Epic have an age verification when paying? I can't remember last time I bought a game off them.

I have no fucking clue, I visit Epic only if I get a free game, or to wishlist SG.

 

[Penfold Mole]

..."frequent nudity" box at rare not often. on both platforms.
Steam, wants to change that from "rare" to "often" - as my screenshot shows...

Does Steam specify anywhere how much is "rare" and how much is "often" or are they using SI units?

 

[BobTheDuck]

I'm back for this confusing Topic.
It's about the description a Game gets - not alone the USK Rating in Germany.
I tried to get Leap of Faith back in last Year as I started my journey in VNs... and because I liked it that much I tried to buy it on Steam (And also GOG - as Drifty announced it's release in February on these Platforms)
I can't even open the Games Pages on these Platforms and they are not "shown listed" in Germany.
I can search on Google and all I get is and error Page on Steam for LoF (GOG doesn't show anything related to LoF)
Under the search-result on Google I can read:

"This game is intended for adults only and contains visual representations of sexual content in form of images and animations (vaginal, anal and oral sexual acts)..."

So to clear things up a bit... it's not the Game itself that gets "Banned" - it's the kind of content it is been listed as.
In Germany a Page that want's to sell " sexual Adult Content" of any kind need to have a proper Age-Verification System - not just a Check-Box saying "I'm over 18" or "I'm of legal Age". But as Steam (and also Valve) doesn't offer this "official" kind of Verification System (By checking the Passport or any other Legal Document as proof) - they are not allowed to sell these Games - hence no VN's in Germany from Valve/Steam... and most the Time also not from GOG.
So it's not just the USK Rating... it's the "sex" in a Game.
I hope that clears it up a bit more for you Guys here

I've just been browsing steam, not logged in via a VPN.

The weird thing is, there are plenty of games with sexual content that are USK 18 that only require the checkbox to view. And comparitively, they have more actual sexual content in those than SG has right now.

So I'm going to assume that once Ocean does the checkbox, they will rate it and it might actually be available. The fact I can access the game on Epic via a German IP address would mean steam is losing tothe competition there, especially as they rate it the same way.

It seems to me haphazard the way they've implemented things. Some USK 18 games with sexual content didn't even have an age checkbox (I wasn't logged in, so just browsing) and I did searck for some of the popular AVN's here, which doesn't show, so it was definitely a german IP.

 

[Wolverine65CTX]

I've just been browsing steam, not logged in via a VPN.

The weird thing is, there are plenty of games with sexual content that are USK 18 that only require the checkbox to view (the Witcher, Cyberpunk). And comparitively, they have more actual sexual content in those than SG has right now.

So I'm going to assume that once Ocean does the checkbox, they will rate it and it might actually be available. The fact I can access the game on Epic via a German IP address would mean steam is losing tothe competition there, especially as they rate it the same way.

It seems to me haphazard the way they've implemented things. Some USK 18 games with sexual content didn't even have an age checkbox (I wasn't logged in, so just browsing) and I did searck for BADIK, which doesn't show, so it was definitely a german IP.

Yes, I seen your example about

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and it says:
Mature Content Description
The developers describe the content like this:

Blood and gore
Sexual themes
Use of alcohol
Violence

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So it might be a thing on "how" it is described on Steam - here it says just "Sexual themes" - that might be enough to "convince" the German Authorities that it's not "that bad" for us Germans to buy on Steam - LOL
As said - I have tried multiple other VNs to get over on Steam... the don't show up at all
Here the LoF Steam Page for me as German:


It can well be that depending on what Ocean has to set the Game up with, that it'll show for us - but most likely it will not as so many others of this Genre of VNs - I don't have much hope for it on Steam anyways - LOL

 

[AlexFXR]

General rules of Steam, where the percentage of nudity is required by a certain tag.

Can you tell me what percentage is needed to block? I searched everywhere, but didn't find this rule.

 

[Don Sucio]

So, Nami's going to be decent and wear her bra?

I hope not At least on Patreon version, that´s where i´m going to buy it.

So, i just finished to read around 6 pages in the thread and the resume is basically that SG will be 18+ in the end, what a shame ,not for me, for poor Ocean, so hard work and time waiting and now even all the changes he has done can´t get the game a 16+...
Is sad because we would had the game weeks ago and without so much censorship, but well, it is what it is and we are closeee now

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This #2 Charlie Simp has his own priorities

8 year olds shouldn't be allowed to buy anything other than food to start with.

For me 8 years old shouldn´t buy even food, i mean, parents should do that

 

[Dessolos]

I hope not At least on Patreon version, that´s where i´m going to buy it.

So, i just finished to read around 6 pages in the thread and the resume is basically that SG will be 18+ in the end, what a shame ,not for me, for poor Ocean, so hard work and time waiting and now even all the changes he has done can´t get the game a 16+...
Is sad because we would had the game weeks ago and without so much censorship, but well, it is what it is and we are closeee now

Did I miss understand I thought I read a post back some pages that it was still 16+ expect for certain countries like Germany.

 

[jllkfsdj]

I'm pretty sure this parent would help his son finish the game if he buy a bloody horror FPS... And after they finish it, they sue Steam... What message is that? You can end how many lives you desire but how to create life is taboo?!

Welcome to western stupidity and double standards where action/horror movies with shooting and killing (even explicit scenes) are broadcast all day, but movies with a nipple revealed are delegated to past-midnight time slots and discretion warnings, lmao. No wonder birth rates are falling across Europe and US.

 

[Hahn1900]

So this is what i know...

The game is rated 16+ for now... but Ocean assumes that the rating might get up to 18+ overall because of the "frequent nudity" content. Overall that doesnt matter that much anymore, cause the goal was to get it out global with 16+ that was out of the window anyways already.

No Steam-Release in Germany.

Epic and GoG will have it released in Germany as it looks now... the rating is still 16+ but as i said, Ocean thinks that will go up but that is not for sure... but again, doesnt really matter that much anymore cause his ultimate goal is missed anyway.

Its likely that the Steam release can happen next week cause there isnt really something left holding that back, Steam has just to give the thumbs up now. Steam release is still Number 1 priority cause there are the most customers in reach. Epic and Gog will follow suit.

The uncut Patreon/Subscribestar Season 1 release will be a little later. Of course Oceans interest to sell as many copies as possible in the lets say first 2 weeks is reasonable and thats the reason why the Patreon/SS release has to wait. Nothing to complain here, would Ocean deal with this different he would shoot himself in the foot, people who cant understand that... well, cant help them.

After all this is done... The Season 2 chapter releases will just go on like before, each chapter will be released at patreon and subscribestar until the last chapter of the season is done. Than Ocean has to decide if he wants to release Season 2 on Steam/Epic/GoG, it would be a surprise if not of course... this time the whole jumping through hoops for a rating will not happen though, cause it will be rated 18+ anyways. Season 2 will have lewd content no matter what.

Ocean confirmed nothing yet... but if you ask me, 2-3 weeks after the Steam release the patreon/SS release will happen, not much later... so end of may or first week june for Patreon and SS, but that is just a guess, but a reasonable guess.

I dont have interest in the 16+ version... i want the full package, even if the changes only mean a handful of renders. Iam a sub at patreon anyways, so i wait for it... and its cheaper too.

 

[Maviarab]

and its cheaper too.

Won't be once released on Steam. Part of the Steam contract, it cannot be sold or distrubuted anywhere cheaper than it is on Steam.

Minimum subscriber tier on Patreon/Subscribestar to get the VN will become the same price as Steam/GoG/Epic.

 

[Don Sucio]

Won't be once released on Steam. Part of the Steam contract, it cannot be sold or distrubuted anywhere cheaper than it is on Steam.

Minimum subscriber tier on Patreon/Subscribestar to get the VN will become the same price as Steam/GoG/Epic.

So, if i buy a patreon membership now, when the game release i won´t need to pay more? Like if i get now the 5$ tier then i will have the game for that price, or i will be forced to pay the Steam price? (I´m going to buy it anyway but just asking)
Just a doubt, could be a trick

 

[Hahn1900]

So, if i buy a patreon membership now, when the game release i won´t need to pay more? Like if i get now the 5$ tier then i will have the game for that price, or i will be forced to pay the Steam price? (I´m going to buy it anyway but just asking)
Just a doubt, could be a trick

with the 5$ you will get the chapter 5 on patreon. for 15$ you will get WiaB and SG on subscribestar.

for 15$-20$ youll get the whole Season 1 SG on Steam or wherever.

And no you will not have to pay again via patreon or SS.

What Maviarab said is just not true (there are tons of examples of games where that is just not the case... lets just take a look at one popular one like being a dik... 5$ and you have access to the newest episode, on steam you can buy season 1 and 2 for a price way above that). And there is a difference paying for a whole season or making a monthly subscription for updates.

 

[Old Man Al]

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It was an example Age on how useless these current Age Check Systems in place on Steam and some other Sellers are... even an 8 Year old could just go and buy things not appropriate for there real Age... just by clicking "Yes, I'm of legal Age" or "Yes, I'm 18 Years or older" - like so many Pages just ask you.

Well I don't know how other countries handle it, but in Germany only 18 years and older are "fully capable of doing business". You can from the age of 7+ buy stuff worth "pocket money", but especially buying something online "parents must consent" or "consent after the deal" meaning you could always go to court if someone just sells your kid stuff more worth than pocket money. On the other hand it is the parents job to keep an eye on what their kids are doing online.

But enough off-topic.

 

[Neio69]

Just when the girl's wants to get laid. The guy can't even get his dick up

 

[Metal Panic]

Then will nothing change, Ocean can still make a living out of the income Patreon/SS generates.

Steam is more or less a tool to get a nice money pillow for additionally safety in the short term, and in the long term to pull more audience to Patreon/SS.

We have to consider that the game is a one time sale, then Ocean again relies on the income from Patreon/SS. To be fully independent from Patreon/SS, well more from that moronic Patreon, is a hard peace of work.

So, he's just using Steam/Steam users as tools... and piggy banks, of course. Doesn't give a fuck about the users but only about their money, is what you are saying, right? why would anyone want to support that? get a censored/edited w/e version of Season 1 and that's all they get?

Oh, if they want the original untouched version of Season 1 + Season 2 and beyond, become a Patreon/SS!

 

[imzahai]

Just when the girl's wants to get laid. The guy can't even get his dick up

um yeah, its said from the beginning of the story he has ISSUES...
why would anyone care if he is emo/whinny/angry in an AVN if he is getting some?