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Will you develop both games simultaneously or one at a time? Also since you're the only dev I'm aware of that's making two completely different games can you tell me the development process of both games if it's ok? How long does an update for each game take to develop, and which one is harder(probably the 3D) to make?
Not a developer but... I read (on a different thread) that twine handles game states really weirdly. Something about how it's not an engine designed for branching story lines or sandbox type games. Every addition has a high risk of breaking anything that came before. Essentially the more you put into your twine game the more spaghetti the code becomes. Thus it's harder to add to than a new 3d renpy game?

Could just be "Internet Expert"ing right now.
 

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Will you develop both games simultaneously or one at a time? Also since you're the only dev I'm aware of that's making two completely different games can you tell me the development process of both games if it's ok? How long does an update for each game take to develop, and which one is harder(probably the 3D) to make?
I'm mainly dedicating a number of days to one project then the same to the other. L&V is bottlenecked by writing, and Sins by render production, so I do have a small overlap where I work on one or the other if I run out of steam on one of these aspects. I can't really say for sure at this point how long the updates take, since I only recently started dividing the time more equally and the initial release of sins + christmas break caused a lot of delays and required a fair bit of extra work you don't normally have to do. We'll see how it goes over the coming year.
Not a developer but... I read (on a different thread) that twine handles game states really weirdly. Something about how it's not an engine designed for branching story lines or sandbox type games. Every addition has a high risk of breaking anything that came before. Essentially the more you put into your twine game the more spaghetti the code becomes. Thus it's harder to add to than a new 3d renpy game?

Could just be "Internet Expert"ing right now.
This isn't true. Twine is actually a lot better than renpy for sandbox games, mainly due to UI being far easier. While increasing the complexity/size of the game brings issues like making it harder to playtest the whole game, that's just true of any engine. If you structure the game properly, delivering the content in complete chunks from start to finish and test well, you shouldn't have many issues with the game growing.
 

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It would have been very difficult to make a vampire game that way, given 99% of it is shot during the day!
Some creators have started using AI-generated images to gradually replace real porn images. It is said that this allows for more customisation and makes the faces of the characters consistent throughout the game, but at the same time some say that the AI is still not entirely reliable.
 
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You are getting a mega review. I've long loved Love and Vice for how it approached romance and corruption. But only as a porn game. Bud, Hugh is fascinating. Comforting and supportive, harsh and authoritative. Teasing he could steal the MC's women but showing how they can be protected. Willing to converse while setting boundaries. Your making me like vampires like it's the Blade movie again. The lewd images are great and the text strong.

The dream influence is such a cool mechanic. My one concern is keeping it sharing and not NTR. I'd love to push the slobs and black guys influence but only to corrupt and degrade Evelyn under my power. It's like with lewd outfits or having her dream of MC. The other guys are props for MC's dominant corrupting sexual fantasies. I'm hoping there are badass dynamic combat renders for Potency builds. I like role playing a physical monster vampire.

The emotional connection with the art focused positive goth sister and bodybuilding mom is great. Unique characters. Dude, I want lore on druids and werewolves and how Vampires fight them. This is stunning work
 
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Phone is ultra fucked. Keeps freezing the game for Hazel and for Eveyln phone messages. The Evelyn messages being frozen and unable to progress back to the normal contacts soft locks the game.
 

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You are getting a mega review. I've long loved Love and Vice for how it approached romance and corruption. But only as a porn game. Bud, Hugh is fascinating. Comforting and supportive, harsh and authoritative. Teasing he could steal the MC's women but showing how they can be protected. Willing to converse while setting boundaries. Your making me like vampires like it's the Blade movie again. The lewd images are great and the text strong.

The dream influence is such a cool mechanic. My one concern is keeping it sharing and not NTR. I'd love to push the slobs and black guys influence but only to corrupt and degrade Evelyn under my power. It's like with lewd outfits or having her dream of MC. The other guys are props for MC's dominant corrupting sexual fantasies. I'm hoping there are badass dynamic combat renders for Potency builds. I like role playing a physical monster vampire.

The emotional connection with the art focused positive goth sister and bodybuilding mom is great. Unique characters. Dude, I want lore on druids and werewolves and how Vampires fight them. This is stunning work
Glad you like him! Got big plans for Hugh so it's going to be interesting to see how things play out. There was a big urge to replace his role with a woman but I think this way will be a lot better.

So the dream influence is probably going to affect what kind of guys she ends up pursuing, if you prompt her to do so. So in theory you could do the influence then just not take it further than that if it's more your style. Regarding combat renders, I'm not sure if I'll do any massive body morphing if that's what you're getting at, but I do want to have some renders in the background that will reflect what's happening and your chosen style.
Phone is ultra fucked. Keeps freezing the game for Hazel and for Eveyln phone messages. The Evelyn messages being frozen and unable to progress back to the normal contacts soft locks the game.
I might have to replace the phone system... What platform were you playing on?
 
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So the dream influence is probably going to affect what kind of guys she ends up pursuing, if you prompt her to do so. So in theory you could do the influence then just not take it further than that if it's more your style. Regarding combat renders, I'm not sure if I'll do any massive body morphing if that's what you're getting at, but I do want to have some renders in the background that will reflect what's happening and your chosen style.
Allow me to clarify. What I like about Love and Vice is that it is sharing and not NTR. Sexually, I want Eveyln to become a BBC slut and slob whore. I want her to be fucked, degraded, and sexually ravenous. Emotionally, on the Vice path like Love and Vice I'm her master and Daddy. Mentally she belongs to me. Physical lust is fine. NTR emotional betrayal is what really people dislike. Let the girls have fun being slutty bitches without being disloyal cunts to those they love. You don't see people saying if a guy fucks multiple chicks he'll abandon his main girl or girls. The vice system of Love and Vice showed this perfectly as always being under the control of the player and I like that.

For combat, take a look at some martial arts comics if you like em like Breaker, Legend of Luther Strode, Gosu. What makes good combat is impact frames, stance, how you pose the image so it looks like a powerful violent action is happening. Don't need to show bodies torn apart, just lots of blood splashed everywhere and the motion of violence in characters being thrown back or crashing to the ground or smashed against things. For Potency, Glamour obviously is a seduction stat and Intrigue I see has stealth sexy options. For Potency the combat stat, could this also be given sex options? Raw physical strength coercion and intimidating aura to make girls bend to your will.

I was playing on Lewdspot and as for the phone, I loved the selfie system of Love and Vice and tracking girl's corruption that way. I like the idea of sending lewd sexts and making the girls take pics and videos. But right now it hates renply. Freezes up the entire VN
 
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Allow me to clarify. What I like about Love and Vice is that it is sharing and not NTR. Sexually, I want Eveyln to become a BBC slut and slob whore. I want her to be fucked, degraded, and sexually ravenous. Emotionally, on the Vice path like Love and Vice I'm her master and Daddy. Mentally she belongs to me. Physical lust is fine. NTR emotional betrayal is what really people dislike. Let the girls have fun being slutty bitches without being disloyal cunts to those they love. You don't see people saying if a guy fucks multiple chicks he'll abandon his main girl or girls. The vice system of Love and Vice showed this perfectly as always being under the control of the player and I like that.

For combat, take a look at some martial arts comics if you like em like Breaker, Legend of Luther Strode, Gosu. What makes good combat is impact frames, stance, how you pose the image so it looks like a powerful violent action is happening. Don't need to show bodies torn apart, just lots of blood splashed everywhere and the motion of violence in characters being thrown back or crashing to the ground or smashed against things. For Potency, Glamour obviously is a seduction stat and Intrigue I see has stealth sexy options. For Potency the combat stat, could this also be given sex options? Raw physical strength coercion and intimidating aura to make girls bend to your will.

I was playing on Lewdspot and as for the phone, I loved the selfie system of Love and Vice and tracking girl's corruption that way. I like the idea of sending lewd sexts and making the girls take pics and videos. But right now it hates renply. Freezes up the entire VN
Thank you for clarifying :ROFLMAO: So yeah I'll be approaching that content in basically the same way I did in L&V. Sharing girls out for fun, progress and profit. Maybe even as potential quest solutions?

For combat, I do have some ideas but I've yet to put anything into practice. Comics is definitely a good shout for some references, one I hadn't considered. I'll probably start simple with it so there can be a build up as the mc gets more experience and confidence.

I'm always considering the character build for events and options, but I do have to be careful there regarding potency (and the others) so it doesn't cross the lines. It might end up being more of a thing for the vampire girls since it would play nicely with the power dynamics.

I did see over at Lewdspot the comments about the phone being broken, which was something I was going to investigate. It's probably an issue with the web version.
 
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Thank you for clarifying :ROFLMAO: So yeah I'll be approaching that content in basically the same way I did in L&V. Sharing girls out for fun, progress and profit. Maybe even as potential quest solutions?

For combat, I do have some ideas but I've yet to put anything into practice. Comics is definitely a good shout for some references, one I hadn't considered. I'll probably start simple with it so there can be a build up as the mc gets more experience and confidence.

I'm always considering the character build for events and options, but I do have to be careful there regarding potency (and the others) so it doesn't cross the lines. It might end up being more of a thing for the vampire girls since it would play nicely with the power dynamics.

I did see over at Lewdspot the comments about the phone being broken, which was something I was going to investigate. It's probably an issue with the web version.
I like the idea of whoring out girls or ordering them to seduce people as Quest solutions. The fun of Vice path is corrupting and controlling them, making them sluts bent to your will. It is a very selfish playstyle.

Check out Talent of Luther Strode if you want to see gory superhuman strength violence. Great comic. What I'm interested in is seeing Vampires be cool. The tone of the story has shown them as powerful. There's not a lot of angst and I like that. I find the implied vampires are possessed by a inner demon giving them supernatural powers entertaining and I want to see more of this setting. Love and Vice is a fun porn game with great mechanics but it doesn't have a strong premise. Sins of Night has me wanting alongside the hardcore porn focus to try out cool vampire roleplaying. You ever see Blade? Doing badass things with my vampire powers. Lots of great potential in this setting. What kind of vampire powers are you going to have?

For combat, I wonder how brutal vampire martial arts would be. That could be fun, getting lore on how vampires fight with their superhuman physicals against each other and other supernatural creatures or vampire sharpshooters making use of their advanced senses and enhanced agility for gun kata.

I like that idea. Impress the vampire girls with your raw vampire bloodlust. I had a question, in the dream journal are you supposed to see notes grow over time from the dreams you plant in Eveyln's head? I like the dream corruption mechanic and seeing it expanded more with detailed journal notes of what Eveyln and other characters are feeling would be fun.

I also agree that making Hugh a guy does something unique. He is a male mentor figure to aspire to instead of a powerful woman to romance or conquer. It creates a different dynamic and I enjoy it.

A potential thought for breeding and pregnant porn is the MC could have other guys impregnate his girls and reap the reward of sex with their pregnant bodies as he can't produce offspring being a vampire. I'm also looking forward to whoring systems being deepened in options and storytelling from Love and Vice.
 
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I like the idea of whoring out girls or ordering them to seduce people as Quest solutions. The fun of Vice path is corrupting and controlling them, making them sluts bent to your will. It is a very selfish playstyle.

Check out Talent of Luther Strode if you want to see gory superhuman strength violence. Great comic. What I'm interested in is seeing Vampires be cool. The tone of the story has shown them as powerful. There's not a lot of angst and I like that. I find the implied vampires are possessed by a inner demon giving them supernatural powers entertaining and I want to see more of this setting. Love and Vice is a fun porn game with great mechanics but it doesn't have a strong premise. Sins of Night has me wanting alongside the hardcore porn focus to try out cool vampire roleplaying. You ever see Blade? Doing badass things with my vampire powers. Lots of great potential in this setting. What kind of vampire powers are you going to have?

For combat, I wonder how brutal vampire martial arts would be. That could be fun, getting lore on how vampires fight with their superhuman physicals against each other and other supernatural creatures or vampire sharpshooters making use of their advanced senses and enhanced agility for gun kata.

I like that idea. Impress the vampire girls with your raw vampire bloodlust. I had a question, in the dream journal are you supposed to see notes grow over time from the dreams you plant in Eveyln's head? I like the dream corruption mechanic and seeing it expanded more with detailed journal notes of what Eveyln and other characters are feeling would be fun.

I also agree that making Hugh a guy does something unique. He is a male mentor figure to aspire to instead of a powerful woman to romance or conquer. It creates a different dynamic and I enjoy it.

A potential thought for breeding and pregnant porn is the MC could have other guys impregnate his girls and reap the reward of sex with their pregnant bodies as he can't produce offspring being a vampire. I'm also looking forward to whoring systems being deepened in options and storytelling from Love and Vice.
Saw Blade a looong time ago, enough that I really need to watch it again. I have some ideas for the powers, but I still have to flesh it out design wise. It'll likely consist of the sort of norms you expect from any other vampire media. Would love to come up with some original stuff if I could, but I think I'll already have my work cut out representing all the character build combinations!

The next step in the main story is combat training, so there will be a look into that side of things soon enough. I don't really know much about martial arts in general outside of a few concepts, so I'll probably keep it simple. I think a lot of the principals would be the same, given things like leverage and reach would still work the same just with more ways to manipulate them in your favour. One of advantage of the character progression is I could potentially make things crazier over time if appropriate.

So yeah I already put some reactivity in Eve's journal regarding the dream influence. That'll likely continue. I'm not sure if I'll get super specific on that front like one entry per topic, because that's just a lot of work. I'd have to limit that to a line or two, perhaps as part of another entry.

I will probably do stuff with pregnancy, but that's all very long term plans stuff. Can't really talk about it much right now ;)
 
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Saw Blade a looong time ago, enough that I really need to watch it again. I have some ideas for the powers, but I still have to flesh it out design wise. It'll likely consist of the sort of norms you expect from any other vampire media. Would love to come up with some original stuff if I could, but I think I'll already have my work cut out representing all the character build combinations!

The next step in the main story is combat training, so there will be a look into that side of things soon enough. I don't really know much about martial arts in general outside of a few concepts, so I'll probably keep it simple. I think a lot of the principals would be the same, given things like leverage and reach would still work the same just with more ways to manipulate them in your favour. One of advantage of the character progression is I could potentially make things crazier over time if appropriate.

So yeah I already put some reactivity in Eve's journal regarding the dream influence. That'll likely continue. I'm not sure if I'll get super specific on that front like one entry per topic, because that's just a lot of work. I'd have to limit that to a line or two, perhaps as part of another entry.

I will probably do stuff with pregnancy, but that's all very long term plans stuff. Can't really talk about it much right now ;)
I like how you've focused on the awesome of Vampires over the angst. There are aspects of Vampirism as painful with the curses for each bloodline and loss of the sun. But for the most part the vibe I get from the introduction is being a vampire is dangerous but awesome. Its a take on Vampires I haven't seen in a while and it draws interest. I enjoy the idea of how each of the main Stats is a type of vampire with different power focus. From the stealthy shadowy vampire to the bloodthirsty beasts to the mind bending socalite.

For the combat what I think is most simple and important for Vampires is that monstrous strength and speed. Portraying the physical force they can exert as superhuman. The rest is gravey. I am curious how werewolves compare to Vampires or other supernaturals. How high up on the food chain are Vampires in this world? Questions like these build lasting interest.

Fair, the concept of the dream manipulation as a more unique way to cause corruption is great and creativity like that will make Vice path fun.

What character ideas are you excited about adding or doing more work on? What inspired a Vampire VN project after Love and Vice? Its a big departure from your previous work but a welcome one.
 

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Kind-hearted and gothic sister.
Bodybuilder mother, but with a shitty job.
Sire who seems good but I don't trust him at all.
The sire's girlfriend, a sexy af brunette.

To be continued :LOL:!
 
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I like how you've focused on the awesome of Vampires over the angst. There are aspects of Vampirism as painful with the curses for each bloodline and loss of the sun. But for the most part the vibe I get from the introduction is being a vampire is dangerous but awesome. Its a take on Vampires I haven't seen in a while and it draws interest. I enjoy the idea of how each of the main Stats is a type of vampire with different power focus. From the stealthy shadowy vampire to the bloodthirsty beasts to the mind bending socalite.

For the combat what I think is most simple and important for Vampires is that monstrous strength and speed. Portraying the physical force they can exert as superhuman. The rest is gravey. I am curious how werewolves compare to Vampires or other supernaturals. How high up on the food chain are Vampires in this world? Questions like these build lasting interest.

Fair, the concept of the dream manipulation as a more unique way to cause corruption is great and creativity like that will make Vice path fun.

What character ideas are you excited about adding or doing more work on? What inspired a Vampire VN project after Love and Vice? Its a big departure from your previous work but a welcome one.
Right now my plan is the potency job will be monster hunting/pest control, so we'll get to see some of that supernatural food chain through that. It's definitely a thing I want to build up over time. Right now it's still mostly ideas, which I can mold to fit the story as needed.

I have a whole bunch of characters planned. Such as a collection of vampire skill tutors/vendors, a couple representatives of some of the political factions, and some non-vampire supernatural representation. It's a lot, and they've all got something that I look forward to bringing out. And of course there's Kate, who I think will probably have the best story and relationship of the bunch.

My main motivation was I felt this sort of setting was underutilised in this space. Admittedly at the time I hadn't noticed a bunch of the other contemporary vampire games, but by the time that was corrected, I already had a tonne of ideas burning holes in my skull and had to get them out. Gameplay wise, I've been playing a lot of RPGs over the last decade, and I wanted to see how many of those principals could be brought into and serve an adult game. Since again, I think it's been under utilized.
Kind-hearted and gothic sister.
Bodybuilder mother, but with a shitty job.
Sire who seems good but I don't trust him at all.
The sire's girlfriend, a sexy af brunette.

To be continued :LOL:!
What a bunch ;) But I have to point out that Kate and Hugh aren't dating!
 
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Right now my plan is the potency job will be monster hunting/pest control, so we'll get to see some of that supernatural food chain through that. It's definitely a thing I want to build up over time. Right now it's still mostly ideas, which I can mold to fit the story as needed.

I have a whole bunch of characters planned. Such as a collection of vampire skill tutors/vendors, a couple representatives of some of the political factions, and some non-vampire supernatural representation. It's a lot, and they've all got something that I look forward to bringing out. And of course there's Kate, who I think will probably have the best story and relationship of the bunch.

My main motivation was I felt this sort of setting was underutilised in this space. Admittedly at the time I hadn't noticed a bunch of the other contemporary vampire games, but by the time that was corrected, I already had a tonne of ideas burning holes in my skull and had to get them out. Gameplay wise, I've been playing a lot of RPGs over the last decade, and I wanted to see how many of those principals could be brought into and serve an adult game. Since again, I think it's been under utilized.

What a bunch ;) But I have to point out that Kate and Hugh aren't dating!
With the monster hunting and mention of political factions with non vampire supernatural representation, I am brought to mind of one of the strong appeals in urban fantasy literature. Dresdsen Files and other works get a lot of mileage out of the concept of shadow politics. Hidden organizations and groups controlling different interests in a supernatural community, how the different parts fit in. With that, I like how you have Potency be monster hunting as it has me think of how the different stats for different specialized vampires lends themselves to different kinds of jobs in this wider shadow world. Which is interesting stuff for storytelling.

What inspired the character of Kate? And how is it going from Love and Vice, a mechanically complex smut game with a hollow story to something with lore and a tone from the get to more driven by narrative? I've always liked Love and Vice as a porn experience but its like Taffy Tales in that I want to do cool shit and I am stuck in a plain urban setting without spice. There were hints at a greater story in Love and Vice but it was never the focus. Allowing this supernatural urban fantasy premise opens up more to the experience. I find as I've indulged in these types of games, story and things to do add extra to the porn with action and drama make for something greater.

You seen Moniker Bloodlines? The idea it has of different povs for no set MC is a good one and I enjoy how it aims for a horror tone with a complex evolving story but the editing of the Renders is ass. Lovely idea with the vampire bimbo sluts, but dear lord is there so much wasted time spent on micro adjusting the positions of character models in rendering pages that could have been done in 5 or three clicks worth of render phases. And the writing itself varies between more well done than most to painfully short.

For Vice, I will share that in Love and Vice I noticed that often Love had the stronger story while Vice felt more generic at times. But with the Evelyn Vice scene of buying her the dress and making her wear lt, reversing the power dynamics, I'm curious to see how the emotions of the Vice path can be expanded and given texture to match the Romance's path depth.
 
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