Ren'Py Rogue-like: Evolution [v1.51e] [Oni]

[cleanfeel]

In reality you only need to higher a single professional to manage his code base part time. I argue the amount of art, dialog, and other gameplay features that needs to be thought up take more than 50% of the work he does. The coding in this game is a lot compared to the usual RPGMAKER or Renpy games. There's a lot of systems in place, and everything sorta works together coherently. I'd argue the only other game that has this level of complexity is maybe Kingdom of Deception. But even in that game, it's a much less fluid game than this one. This is a very very well done game. Only other I can think of that has this many variables effecting gameplay and dialog is the Huntsman slave maker game.

Oni is still a very admirable developer. Compared to a majority of these patreon developer types, the work he does is excellent. The progression of the game is good, the girls are drawn to normal proportions, the Love and Obed system works well and has corresponding dialog.

If the current pace works for him, as in his Patreon is happy and he's happy with the money he's making, what will make him WANT to find another dev to work with him?

Oni, if you're reading this, I'm willing to work for free and take a look at your code base. Maybe teach you some better coding practices, or refactor some of the spaghetti you've written.

 

[osmcuser132]

There's a lot of systems in place, and everything sorta works together coherently. I'd argue the only other game that has this level of complexity is maybe Kingdom of Deception. But even in that game, it's a much less fluid game than this one. This is a very very well done game. Only other I can think of that has this many variables effecting gameplay and dialog is the Huntsman slave maker game.

Actually, I played Holiday Island yesterday and I believe this game and HI have a lot in common.

You go to certain locations at certain times and girls show up at random and you can have different interactions at different locations which increase or decrease stats. You can have up to nine girls on the island and dismiss some and ask for new ones.

Why? Because there is a framework underneath that handles this. If you want to add a girl all you need to do is add the art and set her characteristics. You want to add a new interaction, add the art/animations and enable the interaction for that specific girl. It really can be that simple.

 

[Shadde03]

You seem to be very focused on my money comment which I could care less about. All I was doing was expressing my dissatisfaction with the abysmally slow progress of this game. Not actually expecting anyone to pay because I wrote a half joking comment on a porn game forum. I thought that would be pretty obvious after I called myself a chad with a high IQ but I guess that was too advanced for you. No I don't know how much a programmer would quote you for part-time work, though I do know that Oni already commissions artists to work on the game. No, that's not what I'm "basically saying" thanks. What I definitely think is that coding in a new girl should not take an entire year. Do you seriously believe 2 girls over four years of work is something to be defended and I'm wondering why you think he's working on this part time? I wasn't aware of that. He's certainly making enough to live off of at his patreon's current amount. Anyway the art's not the problem, it's his lack of skill that is slowing progress. If he structured his code decently the work to add in a new girl would be mostly copy and paste but for some reason he writes it from scratch which will cause all sorts of unknown conflicts which then will take him even more time to sort out. There's obviously the character interactions and all that but implementing a basic version of each student should be really straightforward given you have the art assets ready. After you do that then you can start doing more advanced interactions. Sure I'll remind you, this game is based off the X-Men Evolution TV show which had a total of 70 characters including background and one off appearances. Of those 70, 26 were female, 10 of those could realistically be in the school and 2 of them are already done which leaves 8 girls. I think that's an achievable goal for four years of work.

By the way, I'm not implying Oni is lazy and I will never say that. He clearly works hard and is willing to spend the time but the way he is and has been working for the past four years is very inefficient which upsets my dick as it's desire for more content grows. Oh and your response was really shit and low energy sparklespats

I'd just like to correct you on the "adding a new girl" part: Rogue's code was poorly made (his words) and could not be copy/pasted to Kitty so he decided to rework it so he would be able to copy/paste it for future girls but he seemed to have struggled a bit with it in the beginning, which is why Kitty took so long. As for Emma, she won't have the same dating system than Rogue and Kitty (at least in the beginning) because she is a teacher, so this is why this update is taking a long time.
Now I don't know enough about Oni to either make valid critics or to defend him, but one thing is sure: he is rather slow.

 

[Ferghus]

You seem to be very focused on my money comment which I could care less about. All I was doing was expressing my dissatisfaction with the abysmally slow progress of this game. Not actually expecting anyone to pay because I wrote a half joking comment on a porn game forum. I thought that would be pretty obvious after I called myself a chad with a high IQ but I guess that was too advanced for you. No I don't know how much a programmer would quote you for part-time work, though I do know that Oni already commissions artists to work on the game. No, that's not what I'm "basically saying" thanks. What I definitely think is that coding in a new girl should not take an entire year. Do you seriously believe 2 girls over four years of work is something to be defended and I'm wondering why you think he's working on this part time? I wasn't aware of that. He's certainly making enough to live off of at his patreon's current amount. Anyway the art's not the problem, it's his lack of skill that is slowing progress. If he structured his code decently the work to add in a new girl would be mostly copy and paste but for some reason he writes it from scratch which will cause all sorts of unknown conflicts which then will take him even more time to sort out. There's obviously the character interactions and all that but implementing a basic version of each student should be really straightforward given you have the art assets ready. After you do that then you can start doing more advanced interactions. Sure I'll remind you, this game is based off the X-Men Evolution TV show which had a total of 70 characters including background and one off appearances. Of those 70, 26 were female, 10 of those could realistically be in the school and 2 of them are already done which leaves 8 girls. I think that's an achievable goal for four years of work.

By the way, I'm not implying Oni is lazy and I will never say that. He clearly works hard and is willing to spend the time but the way he is and has been working for the past four years is very inefficient which upsets my dick as it's desire for more content grows. Oh and your response was really shit and low energy sparklespats

It's not a joke if you keep trying to defend your points. Like why make an effort if you don't actually care? Your complaints still come off as ungrounded. 10 girls in 4 years? What are you expecting, the dialogue to say A, B, C, and giving a random stat increase for each choice and have simple placeholder images for everything? With what, him paying out of pocket since the start to hire someone experienced? I'm focusing on the money aspect because everything else you've said pretty much boils down to 'Oni is slower than I expected". There's no point in challenging that. I have no idea how what his living cost is and I'm not sure if 3k a month is sufficient (and that's before

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, so I've no clue how much he actually gets). As far as I know, he's still making an income doing art for Hentai United and commissions (stated on his Hentai Foundry page), so there's a good chance he's not working on this full-time.

 

[rexharbinger]

Do you by any chance know how to unlock the scene? I can't find Rogue_DateNight.RPY . I was able to hunt down Version 0.92, 0.94, and 0.966c. I tried console command and it accepts the "R_Usher=True" and "=10000" but I'm not getting the scene. I basically want to splice that into the newer version.

You have yo unpack the RPY and read the code. Since it wasn't really put in there I don't even know if the code will run. R_Usher wasn't a variable, it was the label of the subroutine that was called when you got caught.

 

[3ode]

Okay guys, what language REN'PY supports? I know some C/C++ and other high level ones too (C#).

 

[Shadde03]

Okay guys, what language REN'PY supports? I know some C/C++ and other high level ones too (C#).

Ren'py is written in Python.

 

[osmcuser132]

I'd just like to correct you on the "adding a new girl" part: Rogue's code was poorly made (his words) and could not be copy/pasted to Kitty so he decided to rework it so he would be able to copy/paste it for future girls

See, this is bad. You don't want to duplication in code. Because if you want to change one thing you need to change it in all the 'pasted' places and chances are you will miss one place.

 

[ScottyLQ]

I'm sorry, but coding isn't like running or swimming where you get better by doing it more. Unless he reads books about design patterns etc. to increase his skill, he will stay the mediocre programmer he is now and he will keep doing copy/paste/adjust work to add extra girls at the same slow rate.

This. I can't stress this enough.

 

[Troscer]

Was the Android version dropped? Or is there a near up-to-date version for Android available past .971?

 

[SkyNightwalker]

Was the Android version dropped? Or is there a near up-to-date version for Android available past .971?

Nope, but perhaps you could ask @booom313 for a port to Android for version 0.997b?

 

[cleanfeel]

See, this is bad. You don't want to duplication in code. Because if you want to change one thing you need to change it in all the 'pasted' places and chances are you will miss one place.

I've never written anything in Renpy, but I'm assuming Oni didn't really do anything that could be scalable. Does Renpy come with a default Character class for you to extend or is that up to the developer? If it's the latter, it could be the reason why his code is so bad/slow.

Seems like from looking at this demo:

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, it looks like Renpy doesn't have those prebuilt. He has to have to knowledge of using good OOP to make sure his game can easily add new characters. Eg, have a base Character class that Student or Teacher inherits from. Character has the shared stuff like Lust, Love, Obed, etc. Storing dialog is sane formats like JSON or XML, rather than putting it in the script directly...

Idk, shit like that. I'm guessing he's doing everything with bad programming practices. Which, is fine for HIM. But the work will be much harder to change, and not very fun to work with. I commend him for doing that bad code + art and design + writing. It's hard to write bad code man, because when you change something everything goes to shit. Good code is easy to change and modify.

 

[Shadde03]

Seems like there is hope for a release (most likely a bug fiesta) on Saturday according to Oni's latest comment. He doesn't plan to add much more than what he has now but he has to do some testing.

 

[Chris2]

Could I please get a link for the Android port. And is there a Android port with cheats.

 

[Chris2]

Can I get a link for a Android apk for this. Or a link to where I can find a Android apk for it. Please and thank you

 

[Almighty]

Damn begging back to back within one hour. All you have to do is google Rogue-Like Evolution apk and you could find it.

 

[zazzaro]

From a Patreon comment by Oni:

There really isn't so much of a "full" version. I just continue to add more features along the way. The next version will be in a week or so, and will include a bunch of new options, and the one after that will have even more.

It was posted 3 days ago, so a new version should be coming in a few days!

 

[Shadde03]

From a Patreon comment by Oni:

There really isn't so much of a "full" version. I just continue to add more features along the way. The next version will be in a week or so, and will include a bunch of new options, and the one after that will have even more.

It was posted 3 days ago, so a new version should be coming in a few days!

He posted that there is might be a release on Saturday in one of the replies of that comment, just like I said a few post upwards in this page Anyway, I can't wait to see which new bugs we will find!

 

[zazzaro]

He posted that there is might be a release on Saturday in one of the replies of that comment, just like I said a few post upwards in this page Anyway, I can't wait to see which new bugs we will find!

So close, can't wait!

 

[zazzaro]

Yeaaah I wouldn't hold your breath lmao

He said "around saturday" like not even a week ago, worst case scenario we get it at the start of the week.