Racial Diversity in Adult Games

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polywog

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I've played a lot of adult games in the last month and a half having just discovered the wealth of games of this type that are available, but one thing that stands out a lot is the lack of racially diverse main characters. So far, from the games I have played (mainly incest themed), every main character as well as the majority, if not the entirety, of characters that they can have sex with are white.

This isn't some SJW rant about lack of representation, but rather a serious question as to why these games don't have more diversity in their main characters. Is it a design factor, that developing characters of other races isn't as easy as white characters, or is it that devs believe they'd be better off going with white characters because they believe that it's a safer option than characters of other races due to the views of some people?

Personally, I'd love to play as a main character of a different race and would very much welcome that right now as it would at least be something different to the somewhat "cut-and-paste" games that are out there right now which use the same character models, assets, and even basic story premises.
Long before Bill Cosby was outed as a rapist, he was attacked and hated by the black community for his cartoon, Fat Albert, and how it portrayed blacks stereo-typically growing up in a ghetto, and having a club-house in the city dump.
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I could not begin to imagine how the black community would respond to being portrayed as incestuous, rapists, etc. Mind you, Bill Cosby was himself black, and he received death threats on a regular basis. He was never allowed to live it down, some still consider his race-betrayal a hate crime, disowning him, calling him white, because had a doctorate. His son was murdered.

Not to give credence to these absurd claims of "racism", obviously Asians and the britsh royal family aren't the only ones committing incest, blacks are doing it too. There is a double-standard. You don't see Chinese people or hillbillies rioting because someone said they slept with their sister. Decades of a one-child per couple law, practically eliminated incest by making it impossible in China (on the sibling level)

I sadly have to agree with you on this, it's very difficult to find black game characters sleeping with their sisters, and that is really a shame, but I can understand why big corporations would want to shy away from the topic to avoid backlash. They have a duty to protect their stockholders.
 
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Why does no one see that we need to take this diversity initiative global? No one acknowledged that diversity means, first and foremost, more Han Chinese since that is the single largest ethnic group in the world. They translate many of the games seen on F95 into Chinese. Of course, if I go into China, and tell them that their media actually lacks a globally-reflective ethnic balance and has gone a bit overboard with too many typical Chinese faces, they will probably tell me I have too much time on my hands for thinking up dumb ideas and will put me into that same jobs program they have for Muslims.
 
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Probably a horrible idea to get involved in this but here we go.

Making any product is all about efficiency, turning the minimal amount of work into maximum profit. As such the majority of games will either use pre-made 3D models, Honeyselect (or games like it), or base their game off of another IP (i.e. Marvel, DC, Disney etc).

It just so happens that most of the pre-made 3D models are white or asian (I swear there's like 1 black model that shows up everywhere too).

It's damn near impossible to make a character that doesn't look at least slightly asian in Honeyselect and the dark skin colours in that game look really off.

Some IPs like Harry Potter or the Witcher or Game of Thrones don't really have any black characters to fit the MC role and introducing an OC who has any real defining traits at all is just...not a great idea, the MC is meant to be bland and uninteresting.

As for Marvel, DC or Disney, very few western developers are willing to tangle with possible copyright issues, so most of these games are made by eastern Europeans and Russians who as a whole likely don't give a damn about representation and just want to see characters they find hot fuck.

For those rare few games that are true passion projects (and actually use discernible human characters, not monster girls or aliens) they probably just picked their own skin colour for the MC, whether the project lead be a writer or the artist they're probably far more comfortable with using traits from their own race just because they have a better understanding of what it means to be white, and most porn developers in the west are middle class computer nerds with a lot of spare time, probability points to the fact that most people who match the criteria are white (or maybe asian), since we still are the majority in the west regardless of how the internet tries to make it seem at times.

After that it's just audience consideration. There's probably at least 2-3 white people on this site for every 1 ethnic minority, as a developer if I had to pander to the white people because I'd get more chances of having people pledge to my patreon I'd damn sure do it.

And honestly the few games that do include black characters in any major form on this site are incredibly....divisive, they purposefully play up that whole "White Women 4 BBC" fetish, which is just degrading to all involved and really doesn't help push the agenda with your average white person, maybe if more games came out with respectable minority MCs who don't act like...well you probably know the ones, they'd be more viable "on the market" so to speak and more people would look at making them.

Until then all I can really say is this, if you want to see something in a game, make it yourself or pay someone to make it, if you don't like what you see in a game, don't play it.
 

Snugglepuff

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Well not really white washing then.
With Ghost in the shell I can see it but as I said, the japanese are fine with it but atleast with The Ancient One she isn't suppose to be playing an asian.
GiTS was less an issue for me (other than Johansson's boring monotonous "acting" in everything she's in) due to the nature of the setting.
Since Kusanagi's body is a full prosthetic, she's able to use (and has used) different shells. The revised backstory for her and it being a plot element was, personally, pointless and irksome. It certainly didn't help that they were smashing the plots of the 90's movie and Stand Alone Complex together either.

They changed the entire character so she is a different character.
Of course can always discuss making different characters especially to make it popular in certain countries but she was hardly the first marvel character that was changed or made different from their comic counterparts since I felt that Marvel was doing their own thing, not just copying a certain comic book.
Just feel like Tilda got a rotten deal there that she didn't deserve, she was a brit playing a british(more or less) character.
And really, if they wanted to make China happy they would have kept the gender and made him Chinese.
A politically & financially motivated change is as scummy as changing a character's ethnicity for no reason other than to change it. Particularly when it's literally the only character they've done this with. (Drax doesn't count, so far, as he's the only representative of his species and they made him more blue-ish grey.)

She certainly got a shitty deal with the role, especially since she was good in it.
Her being a woman, playing a woman who is not an incredibly powerful Tibetan, is infinitely more acceptable for the Chinese government to accept. As would have been if the character had been made African/Indian/Persian. Keeping the character as ethnically looking Asian (Chinese/Tibetan/Korean/Japanese/Vietnamese) would most likely have been more of an issue, even if they made a point of having it mentioned in the movie that they came from anywhere other than Tibet. Remember, China puts muslims into "reeducation camps"* and appoints citizens with "social points".

*It's not about them being muslim specifically, but that they put people into "reeducation camps". Better to forcibly deport them than try brainwashing. Would be the least evil thing China's done since becoming a communist country.
 

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Why does no one see that we need to take this diversity initiative global? No one acknowledged that diversity means, first and foremost, more Han Chinese since that is the single largest ethnic group in the world. They translate many of the games seen on F95 into Chinese. Of course, if I go into China, and tell them that their media actually lacks a globally-reflective ethnic balance and has gone a bit overboard with too many typical Chinese faces, they will probably tell me I have too much time on my hands for thinking up dumb ideas and will put me into that same jobs program they have for Muslims.
We cannot because we are the minority, there are about 7.7 billion people on the planet. About half of those are children so the total members on F95 is about 0.4 percent. Even if you halved it again for women on the planet, it would only make it 0.8 percent. Who in the world would listen to such a minority of perverted pirate's.:LOL: Could you imagine what would happen if every member on here walked around with banners saying MORE RACIAL DIVERSITY CHARACTERS IN INCEST GAMES. 234126_shooter.gif
 
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I didn't interpret the message that way. I read it as "if you think there are enough people interested in black MCs, either find them or start building a community around it", but not as a proposal of segregating that kind of content to different sites. I think it was meant more along the lines of "put your money/effort where your mouth is at", that is to say doing stuff like working on such projects on a Patreon page.
The references to places specialized in minoritarian kinks like furry fantasies was just to drive home the point that one can't demand the general public to change tastes but there still will be places for that kind of content. That doesn't imply f95 is not a place for all kinds of content.
This, at least, is how I read the quoted message. I might be wrong.
In the case I'm mistaken though I would just disagree on the merit of the assertion, not jump to the conclusion the person's a racist white suprematist.
Thank you for explaining what I meant in a way that's much more eloquent than anything I could ever achieve.
 
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We cannot because we are the minority, there are about 7.7 billion people on the planet. About half of those are children so the total members on F95 is about 0.4 percent. Even if you halved it again for women on the planet, it would only make it 0.8 percent. Who in the world would listen to such a minority of perverted pirate's.:LOL: Could you imagine what would happen if every member on here walked around with banners saying MORE RACIAL DIVERSITY CHARACTERS IN INCEST GAMES. View attachment 222513
Then, what is the purpose of this whole thread if nothing can be changed? I guess we come back to the idea that we can't (or shouldn't) force diversity, so you have to do it yourself or pay someone to do it for you. Also, my point was that we take it for granted that diversity means equal representation (in media) of the population in a nation, but why is that principle not applied to the globe? Is there a method to the madness?

America probably see itself as setting a moral example, but it seems like most countries will never follow suit. This creates imbalances because there are some nations that value diversity and many that do not. If a Chinese immigrant to America asks for representation, he may actually be granted consideration. However, the reverse cannot be said because China is currently very ethnically homogeneous and extremely self-interested. Therefore, someone of Chinese ethnicity will be served entirely by the Chinese media and partly by the America media. Someone of American ethnicity will only be partly served by the American media.
 
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Then, what is the purpose of this whole thread if nothing can be changed? I guess we come back to the idea that we can't (or shouldn't) force diversity, so you have to do it yourself or pay someone to do it for you. Also, my point was that we take it for granted that diversity means equal representation (in media) of the population in a nation, but why is that principle not applied to the globe? Is there a method to the madness?

America probably see itself as setting a moral example, but it seems like most countries will never follow suit. This creates imbalances because there are some nations that value diversity and many that do not. If a Chinese immigrant to America asks for representation, he may actually be granted consideration. However, the reverse cannot be said because China is currently very ethnically homogeneous and extremely self-interested. Therefore, someone of Chinese ethnicity will be served entirely by the Chinese media and partly by the America media. Someone of American ethnicity will only be partly served by the American media.
So you start the campaign then for MORE RACIAL DIVERSITY CHARACTERS IN INCEST GAMES. You can even start a petition if you want and when the non-white people ask you what it is all about, you can say that you want to see more black MC's in incest games. See how long you last.:ROFLMAO:
 

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@tc23emp Who here is talking about forcing diversity? :unsure:

But I guess I should stop trying to rock the boat, maintain the status quo, and just continue to accept that I will mainly see white people in games.
 
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So you start the campaign then for MORE RACIAL DIVERSITY CHARACTERS IN INCEST GAMES. You can even start a petition if you want and when the non-white people ask you what it is all about, you can say that you want to see more black MC's in incest games. See how long you last.:ROFLMAO:
I am not sure what you just said, but I was just messing around by talking about diversity in the way that I did. I think diversity is a nice sentiment and possibly good in theory, but it has too many problems in practice. I agree that the free market can decide if people get their fetish or preferences fulfilled. I think that was one of your main points. Minorities might expect some devs to take sympathy, but that may mean altering their artistic vision (if you think porn game authors have one to begin with). Also, blacks have almost the entire of continent of Africa that is picking up steam with outlets like Nollywood. They have adult films and who knows what is next. Many American blacks probably don't closely identify with the same values as those African countries, but they might get lucky like when most Asians worldwide were considered lucky when they got games made with Honey Select studio.
 
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@tc23emp Who here is talking about forcing diversity? :unsure:

But I guess I should stop trying to rock the boat, maintain the status quo, and just continue to accept that I will mainly see white people in games.
I am talking about in media at large. There are examples by others in this thread. Do you think major movie franchises included diversity because it made sense for the story or it happened as a natural consequence?
 

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I am talking about in media at large. There are examples by others in this thread. Do you think major movie franchises included diversity because it made sense for the story or it happened as a natural consequence?
No idea, I don't work in Hollywood.

But this thread is about adult games on f95, where many small-time developers have 100% control of their projects. So any character design choices are a very conscious decision that a developer makes.
 
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No idea, I don't work in Hollywood.

But this thread is about adult games on f95, where many small-time developers have 100% control of their projects. So any character design choices are a very conscious decision that a developer makes.
That has already been talked about (by many others), and we can see what results. The OP actually made the statement that he felt a vocal group was influencing devs to not make minority characters that they would have made if they were free. So, we were talking about societal (undue) influences and pressures. I originally asked who this minority MC issue was addressed at: devs, modders, or people that look like (white as sin) Max. I think I got my answer. Also, we obviously have trends that move through each genre and form of media.
 

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@tc23emp I am not the OP, so bring that up with him. It is a great topic to bring up, and am very glad he did. But this thread is pretty much just full of : "WhY dO yOu CaRe AbOuT cOlOr So MuCh, YoU aRe The ReAl RaCiSt."

And people who think SJW is a great insult when you have nothing of value to say.
 
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Snugglepuff

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But I guess I should stop trying to rock the boat, maintain the status quo,
With everything in life, there's a "right" way and a "wrong" way. Nothing wrong with "rocking the boat" when needed, but there's no need to cause it to capsize.
Topics like this are always better handled when everyone is doing their best to be civil. There's always going to be people who won't be, or will gradually become less civil to the point of being deliberately insulting.

and just continue to accept that I will mainly see white people in games.
Where it's a game that's made by a white person, for a predominantly white audience... Unfortunately yes. At least in regards to porn games not from Japan.
I know it's a cliche, but maybe try your own hand at making games. Not necessarily the programming if that's not your thing, but at least the ideas and design parts. Think of it as motivation.

If not that, then try contacting the devs of those porn games you do enjoy, and ask them to consider something like that for a future project. That's certainly not something that would be "rocking the boat"

As much as the Western audience for porn games is majority white, I'm willing to bet that that majority of us don't/wouldn't care about playing as a non-white protagonist. There just needs to be games with them.
 

plug

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And honestly the few games that do include black characters in any major form on this site are incredibly....divisive, they purposefully play up that whole "White Women 4 BBC" fetish, which is just degrading to all involved and really doesn't help push the agenda with your average white person, maybe if more games came out with respectable minority MCs who don't act like...well you probably know the ones, they'd be more viable "on the market" so to speak and more people would look at making them.
So what is the difference between "White Women 4 BBC" fetish and "White Women 4 BWC" fetish. Nearly all the games I have played on here, mostly incest based involve BWC worship. How is that any different?
 
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So what is the difference between "White Women 4 BBC" fetish and "White Women 4 BWC" fetish. Nearly all the games I have played on here, mostly incest based involve BWC worship. How is that any different?
What's the difference between a big white cock and a big blue cock? I hope this answers your question.
 

Snugglepuff

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So what is the difference between "White Women 4 BBC" fetish and "White Women 4 BWC" fetish. Nearly all the games I have played on here, mostly incest based involve BWC worship. How is that any different?
The difference is that BBC is an actual fetish/genre, whilst "BWC" is not. It's just a fetish/kink for big dicks in general. Throw in that there's the "good ol'" cliche of "black man, big dick" and you can see where/why BBC is it's own "thing".

@Three There's no difference between those, except it's either alien or badly in need of medical attention.
 

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