Racial Diversity in Adult Games

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plug

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So do you want to know real reason why devs only use white MC's?
because they do not want to scare anyone.
 

Winterfire

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tbh I don't get what is the fuss about... Skin color is just that, a color.
If you want to have more than that and have diversity in terms of topology, any respectable character creator has that option, even fuse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So far the best comment I have seen in here is about lacking character's depth in terms of writing, which often may be on purpose as all attention is given to the female heroines, heck... I have even seen MC being a black silhouette or having no face.
Not to mention that male characters have a darker skin shade (I suppose that's because you want to have a distinct color between male and female genitalia when they "connect").

I would say that cast diversity when it comes to MC is almost 1:1 to as often as it gets represented (with a face and an actual design + writing).
As for heroines diversity... All games I have played have that tbh, if there are some whose heroines are all the same, I wouldn't be surprised if that was simply a lack of foresight or the dev simply made all girls following his taste or, more rarely, a different ethnicity did not fit the writing (An asian, african and caucasian almost sounds like the beginning of a bad joke), some people would rather have a discrete plot making sense rather than having the worry about diversity affect the plot.
 

Snugglepuff

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But it's telling that people only get very upset by one of them.
People get upset by both. Look at other cases of white washing in recent years.
Tilda Swinton in Doctor Strange and Scarlett Johansson in Ghost in The Shell, for example. Both had as much, if not more visible "outrage" concerning them.
Tilda Swinton's casting I agree with, since that was to appease the Chinese Government and get that Chinese money from cinemas.
Johansson* was a lesser issue due to the setting, and had actual plot reason, and it was only people from Western culture who were offended. Actual Japanese people, including the creator, were fine with her casting.

You are being "very selective" in your choice of "outrage events". It seems a tad disingenuous.

*I personally feel a better actress than Johansson should have been cast for Kusanagi.
Also, the horrible plot around her backstory and what was done to her to turn her from Motoko Kusanagi to super-cyber "white woman" weapon.

:EDIT:
Just realised I wrote that I agreed with Tilda Swinton's casting in Doctor Strange.
I meant to say I agree it was actual white washing, made worse by political and financial motivations.
 

Jashmyne

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But to be fair to Tilda Swinton, her character wasn't asian tho. Her character was a celt.
And Johansson yeah maybe but the japanese people don't care about skin color or race, they want the best person for the part and they did interviews with japanese people about it and they were totally fine with her, they see it as a compliment.
 
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You think having less representation sucks? Try having none.
I didn't say being a minority is fun. I asked why you resorted to calling out whites like you did. Are you suggesting I expatriate from America? Outside the West, minorities have no representation. In the West, minorities have more than you can shake a stick at. I think I made that point, but feel free to be flippant if you don't want to address it.
 

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People just want to play sex games that let them live out a sexual fantasy. Nobody plays them for the gripping storytelling, so if somebody finds black women attractive I honestly don't think they'd give 2 shits if it's the same old story they've seen a thousand times in other games only this time the characters are of a different race.

That's not to say that I wouldn't want black characters to be portrayed well in these games, but literally anything that isn't just a bunch of hackneyed, racial stereotypes would be better than nothing.
If people don't want storytelling in porn games, how comes it's full of RPG porn games? Storytelling does matter for a lot of porn games.
Look at , she makes nearly 5k$ with her Patreon and she's mainly renowned for her writing. Her most famous game, The Last Sovereign, doesn't even have porn images, just descriptions (at least so it was the last time I played it, I don't know if it changed).
And you know what? One of the best RPGM porn games I played.
Storytelling does matter.
 

carnalcardinal

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@Snugglepuff If I am being selective about, it's not consciously. But I do notice a lot more outrage online when it's a character changed to non-white rather than the other way around. And to be clear, I'm not in favour of either of those. I don't need and didn't ask for a Miles Morales Spiderman.

But we have to agree that non-white people just simply don't get represented in the media, and here, like white people do. We can argue all day, but that is simply a fact.

I didn't say being a minority is fun. I asked why you resorted to calling out whites like you did. Are you suggesting I expatriate from America? Outside the West, minorities have no representation. In the West, minorities have more than you can shake a stick at. I think I made that point, but feel free to be flippant if you don't want to address it.
Someone mentioned a game where you would call black people 'niggers,' and I said hopefully they don't get offended like white people do when you mention diversity.

But feel free to be more offended at my comment.
 
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The only people saying negroid are scientists and racists, and I don't think you are a scientist. Start calling black people negroids to their face, I will wait.
I'm not american. I've spoken to only one african person in my entire life. Everyone called him "негър(negro)" without putting any derogatory or offensive meaning in that word. And no one called him black since that would've been an insult.

Yes, it's been used in anthropology and it's probably still used nowadays, but you must realize that in a normal non technical social context it sounds very bad because it was used by those who in the past two centuries argued about there being races and the white one being superior.
What you must realize is that in most of the world the word negro and its derivatives is a normal word and people using it are not racist. As far as I know it's a derogatory word mostly in USA and they currently make less than 5% of the world's population.

A huge amount of the games here are made by people from Russia and Eastern Europe. It's perfectly normal that they'd have mostly caucasian cast in their games. It's not some huge racist conspiracy.
 

carnalcardinal

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@sifilis
A. You have only met one person, and assumed he spoke for all.
B. 'Negro' literally means black, but it has negative connotations when used the way you did, when you wanted 'negroid content' on a separate website than F95zone.
C. This is an English-speaking site, so again, negative connotations in the language used here. Which you knew, but said anyway and seem shocked you got called out for it.
 
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@sifilis
A. You have only met one person, and assumed he spoke for all.
B. 'Negro' literally means black, but it has negative connotations when used the way you did, when you wanted 'negroid content' on a separate website than F95zone.
C. This is an English-speaking site, so again, negative connotations in the language used here. Which you knew, but said anyway and seem shocked you got called out for it.
Can you stop posting about things you know nothing of? I'm not from eastern europe, but even in my country calling someone "black" means you call him a nazi collaborator. The words derived from "negroid" do have a (recent) negative connotation here, but that's simply because american influence is higher.
 
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Ah I see you are a man of culture as well. Variety is the spice of life, and we could use quite a bit more of it. Different flavors of vanilla are good but sometimes you want a big scoop of rocky road.
 

plug

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Ah I see you are a man of culture as well. Variety is the spice of life, and we could use quite a bit more of it. Different flavors of vanilla are good but sometimes you want a big scoop of rocky road.
When you go down on them they all taste the same.:LOL:
 

random.guy

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I'm not american. I've spoken to only one african person in my entire life. Everyone called him "негър(negro)" without putting any derogatory or offensive meaning in that word. And no one called him black since that would've been an insult.


What you must realize is that in most of the world the word negro and its derivatives is a normal word and people using it are not racist. As far as I know it's a derogatory word mostly in USA and they currently make less than 5% of the world's population.

A huge amount of the games here are made by people from Russia and Eastern Europe. It's perfectly normal that they'd have mostly caucasian cast in their games. It's not some huge racist conspiracy.
I understand your point, but we're discussing in English. I myself am not a native English speaker but I do know in English derivatives of the Latin word niger, -a, -um are deemed derogatory. It's just the way it is even if it's just the Latin way of saying black.
As a curious example, in Italian an object being black is "nero" (m. singular) or "nera" (f. singular) and is usually adopted to denote black people neutrally. If you say it the archaic way though, i.e. "negro" (m.) or "negra" (f.), it's perceived as derogatory because it's now tied to the racist theories and not used for the colour anymore, even though it is closer to its Latin etymology and normally using latinisms is even considered a sign of high culture.
Meanwhile in Spanish an object being black is "negro" (m. singular) or "negra" (f. singular), so there is no derogatory intent in saying it.

The etymology is the same, but the intention behind its common usage changed its perception.
I'd love to say "nigro/a" just because it'd be a latinism and I love Latin, but I realize it'd be frowned upon so I never do that. For the same reason I don't go around using the n word and related words in English speaking communities.
 

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Can you stop posting about things you know nothing of? I'm not from eastern europe, but even in my country calling someone "black" means you call him a nazi collaborator. The words derived from "negroid" do have a (recent) negative connotation here, but that's simply because american influence is higher.
You guys see racism in everything.

Black man loves chicken:
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Arab man taking his camel out for a walk:
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Two black men with a white woman in a secluded spot:
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Black male hugging his stepson:
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Black male being nice to his co-worker:
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And we even have fluidmen represented!
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Indian man showing off his gravity mastery to his Chinese friend with a Ph.D in math:
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How are any of these racist?
Hey @Three , if you are trying to take the moral high ground, make sure you don't use the same word you get 'offended' by.
 
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random.guy

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Hey @Three , if you are trying to take the moral high ground, make sure you don't use the same word you get 'offended' by.
You misunderstood the point Three was making. What was meant was that every country has different uses for words so in that user's view it's just imperialistic trying to force people to adhere to American usage and sensibility.
 
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I understand your point, but we're discussing in English.
I'd love to say "nigro/a" just because it'd be a latinism and I love Latin, but I realize it'd be frowned upon so I never do that. For the same reason I don't go around using the n word and related words in English speaking communities.
For better or for worse English has become THE language for international communication. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the people here are not native speakers. On the other hand "negro" is just an american thing. The sensible action is to use the language without any of the baggage that comes with it.
 

carnalcardinal

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You misunderstood the point Three was making. What was meant was that every country has different uses for words so in that user's view it's just imperialistic trying to force people to adhere to American usage and sensibility.
This is an English-speaking site, so we already adhere somewhat to American usage and sensibility. If I went around the site calling people 'cucks' and just reapond 'well it means something else in my language,' I would get reported very fast.

This whole thing started with this dumb, racist comment:

And you're utterly wrong here. More diversity in these games will be bad and will not be welcome and such games will be played less and will bring less money.
All people have their preferences and telling them it'd be good to play something outside their preferences is good sounds quite obnoxious. That's why people tend to have places and games suited for their particular kink, be it MC, TF, furry, incest or whatever. If you think there is a big enough community out there interested in playing games where the MC is of the negroid race you can try to find or establish one.
And I find it very odd how people glossed right over this and focused on me when I told this guy to fuck off, and people even reported me.
 

plug

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For better or for worse English has become THE language for international communication. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the people here are not native speakers. On the other hand "negro" is just an american thing. The sensible action is to use the language without any of the baggage that comes with it.
Get educated it is not just an American thing, I am not American and I do not live in America. I am White and I find the word you are using offensive. If you want I can take you around places in London for example and you can use that word and see if you make it out alive.
 
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Someone mentioned a game where you would call black people 'niggers,' and I said hopefully they don't get offended like white people do when you mention diversity.

But feel free to be more offended at my comment.
Sorry, I don't understand. Whether or not you understand the logical objection that white people have to more calls for diversity, I don't see the contrast that you wanted to draw with degrading black people as a fetish. Diversity is a hot button issue (and a distressing one for everyone), but why are you using it as a wild jab?
 

random.guy

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This is an English-speaking site, so we already adhere somewhat to American usage and sensibility. If I went around the site calling people 'cucks' and just reapond 'well it means something else in my language,' I would get reported very fast.

This whole thing started with this dumb, racist comment:



And I find it very odd how people glossed right over this and focused on me when I told this guy to fuck off, and people even reported me.
I too didn't like that comment, but the user clarified they meant the word in the technical sense, so I don't think we should call the user racist because of that. Knowing now that the user is not a native English speaker further solicits to cut him/her some slack for that unhappy usage.
Regarding reports, I think those people who reported you are wrong, even though they might have perceived your vocality as an eccessive attack on the user, given that an explanation for that choice of words was given.

Regarding language, I agree it's wishful thinking in an English speaking forum for anyone to think they can use words without caring for their usage in English communities. But the point Three was making has some merit, what was meant was simply that we should cut some slacks for improper usages when there is no ill intent since there might be different sensibilities and losses in translation.

Get educated it is not just an American thing, I am not American and I do not live in America. I am White and I find the word you are using offensive. If you want I can take you around places in London for example and you can use that word and see if you make it out alive.
But, see, you are a native English speaker nonetheless. People that come from different languages might find the n word to be cognate of their word for black (as it happens in Spanish), so they might not perceive it to be offensive, but neutral because for them it's literally the word that stands for the color black, which is what English speakers use to talk about black people.
 

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