Patreon Is Hardening Their 'Adult Content' Guidelines. Discussion Thread

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Hard to say if they would suspend for GoT parody but it actually doesn't really matter as there is no incest for now and it would take a lot of time to reach it. That would be an easy task to remove it completely. Tho I doubt he will throw away School Of Lust. I have no idea how he can change this game to meet patreon's expectations but he will try.
 

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GoT without incest? Where did it all go wrong, what did this world come to?

Kinda funny though, nowadays there would be an actual chance that people who watched GoT and then play a porn game parody of it would say "What the heck is this, no incest? How lame." The many aspects of humanity are at least interesting.
 

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Game Of Boners isn't actually following GoT plotline but it's loosely connected. At this point in latest version before he dropped it, brother and sister were separated and it doesn't look like they would meet in a nearby future. Incest was planned for sure but it's not like GoT. It's such a shame such a dope game was dropped for School Of Lust. But as much as I don't like this developer I don't want anyone to be forced to remove their game. It's not Parental Love where you can easily remove 1 character. In RPG Maker it's much harder and even MC looks like 10 max. Out of all games that were suspended that's the first one I seriously can't see making it
 

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GoT without incest? Where did it all go wrong, what did this world come to?

Kinda funny though, nowadays there would be an actual chance that people who watched GoT and then play a porn game parody of it would say "What the heck is this, no incest? How lame." The many aspects of humanity are at least interesting.
To be honest the incest taboo is more a social construct than a psychological or evolutionary imperative. Its well known that it takes multiple generations of direct incest to really start to cause any defects. The real reason incest is frowned upon in society is the fact that it often comes from abuse. People are more likely to be happy for Jon and Danaerys than they are for Craster and any of his daughters. Granted Jon and Dany aren't M/S or B/S but instead A/N, so its already more acceptable in society. Still, it's all about circumstances and relationships. If two consenting adults wanna enter into incest who the fuck cares?
 

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Yeah did my research about that a while ago, also its a weird logic anyway, because if its about offspring we cant allow people with genetic defects (or is it called disease, unsure) to procreate as the risk there is proven to be a lot higher. But we dont do that.

And most countries only declare it as forbidden when its vaginal penetration. Moral of the story for me is, humanity is all over its place, things change all the time, we arent refined in any aspect we could think of. And mostly we pretty much suck, a lot.

Also to stay on topic, for example Coceter Chronicles removed scenes just to be safe, and im pretty sure it wouldnt be hard to patch them back in, and the people translating RPGmaker games got tools to replace text as well. Still dont think its that complicated. And maybe leads to people not just using simple name replacers, not a fan of those so far in most cases.
 

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Yeah did my research about that a while ago, also its a weird logic anyway, because if its about offspring we cant allow people with genetic defects (or is it called disease, unsure) to procreate as the risk there is proven to be a lot higher. But we dont do that.

And most countries only declare it as forbidden when its vaginal penetration. Moral of the story for me is, humanity is all over its place, things change all the time, we arent refined in any aspect we could think of. And mostly we pretty much suck, a lot.

Also to stay on topic, for example Coceter Chronicles removed scenes just to be safe, and im pretty sure it wouldnt be hard to patch them back in, and the people translating RPGmaker games got tools to replace text as well. Still dont think its that complicated. And maybe leads to people not just using simple name replacers, not a fan of those so far in most cases.
I noticed Sisterly Lust has an update, and I know they hid their incest content behind a simple console command. I think that might be a better solution than a patch in the future. Keeps it in game, removes it in case someone actually has to play the game, and that's that. They don't even have to change the title either, since the sisters are still sisters even if you aren't their brother.
 

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I noticed Sisterly Lust has an update, and I know they hid their incest content behind a simple console command. I think that might be a better solution than a patch in the future. Keeps it in game, removes it in case someone actually has to play the game, and that's that. They don't even have to change the title either, since the sisters are still sisters even if you aren't their brother.
The Sisterly Lust and DMD methods are more risky, because it's clear to Patreon that the content exists and was always meant to be restored. However, with a patch hosted offsite (ie Lewd Patcher) you can claim a third party has restored the content.
 
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The Sisterly Lust and DMD methods are more risky, because it's clear to Patreon that the content exists and was always meant to be restored. However, with a patch hosted offsite (ie Lewd Patcher) you can claim a third party has restored the content.
I mean, as long as they let Ren'Py encrypt the code I don't see how Patreon is gonna know. How many reviewers do they have that are also coders? I already doubt their reviewers actually experience the content. The idea that their reviewers experience the content and are also capable of extracting and compiling the script to browse though it is incredibly unlikely. You and I might know that's relatively simple, but they aren't going to.
 

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I mean, as long as they let Ren'Py encrypt the code I don't see how Patreon is gonna know. How many reviewers do they have that are also coders? I already doubt their reviewers actually experience the content. The idea that their reviewers experience the content and are also capable of extracting and compiling the script to browse though it is incredibly unlikely. You and I might know that's relatively simple, but they aren't going to.
They don't have to, if the developer is telling people how to restore the content by effectively just 'pressing a hotkey' then it's clear to anyone at Patreon, regardless of technical expertise, that the developer is breaking the rules.
 

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I noticed Sisterly Lust has an update, and I know they hid their incest content behind a simple console command. I think that might be a better solution than a patch in the future. Keeps it in game, removes it in case someone actually has to play the game, and that's that. They don't even have to change the title either, since the sisters are still sisters even if you aren't their brother.
I saw that too, or for example a konami code type of unlocking sounds great in theory, but lets say the case is they get reported by individuals on some kind of crusade, if they add hints on how to unlock unwanted content it would still be bad.

Or, as seen lately in another case, the reviewers dont always go the full purge style, which is still confusing but at least in a good way. And thus they might not go this extra step to uncover everything, as of course Patreon makes money with them. But thats all theory crafting, and with a patch that cant be traced back to the creator the Patreon version is indeed clean enough to abide with their Guidelines.
 

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They don't have to, if the developer is telling people how to restore the content by effectively just 'pressing a hotkey' then it's clear to anyone at Patreon, regardless of technical expertise, that the developer is breaking the rules.
Oh, I assumed they wouldn't keep that info on the page. Make it private, either in their discord or the many other places their games get linked, here, subreddits, etc.
 

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Oh, I assumed they wouldn't keep that info on the page. Make it private, either in their discord or the many other places their games get linked, here, subreddits, etc.
They can, but if Patreon were to discover that information (or a user were to report that information to Patreon) then they're screwed. At least with LewdPatcher its clear its a third party site that isn't operated by the developer, and users googling "game name patch" should get it as one of the top results.

I see where you're coming from, I just think it's the more risky option of the 2.
 

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They can, but if Patreon were to discover that information (or a user were to report that information to Patreon) then they're screwed. At least with LewdPatcher its clear its a third party site that isn't operated by the developer, and users googling "game name patch" should get it as one of the top results.

I see where you're coming from, I just think it's the more risky option of the 2.
I guess you're right. I just feel like Patches are great for people who are active in a community, but they don't work well for the audience as a whole. Maybe I underestimate the community though. I know people like my brother would need to ask someone how to do it, not because it's hard, but because he simply isn't confident with computers.
 

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I just feel like Patches are great for people who are active in a community, but they don't work well for the audience as a whole.
It depend of what you call community. Here, when a patch exist, the game is patched before being uploaded. I haven't take a look recently, but I'm sure that other major sites do the same and/or add a link to the restoring patch. So for the underground/active part of the community it's not really a problem.
For the occasional members who use sites like svcomics its different. Sometimes the game available come from a forum like F95, sometimes from another source. In the last case it's not guaranty that it will be patched. But once they played the patched version, they will search for the patch.
So, in the end, the people really impacted by this are the more honest members of the community. They are the one who play the game without a single clue about the restoring patch, made by the community of course.

So in the end, I think that (in the future because doing it now would be really suspicious) Lewd Patcher should be improved in a way or another and don't limit its content to just the restoring patch. I mean, the more mods/patchs will be available in the site, the more an author will be able to talk about it without suspicion. It's a mod site which have one patch which will not please Patreon, over the x mods available for the game.
But like I said, it can't be done this early after the creation of the site and when the tension with Patreon is still heavy.
 

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It depend of what you call community. Here, when a patch exist, the game is patched before being uploaded. I haven't take a look recently, but I'm sure that other major sites do the same and/or add a link to the restoring patch. So for the underground/active part of the community it's not really a problem.
For the occasional members who use sites like svcomics its different. Sometimes the game available come from a forum like F95, sometimes from another source. In the last case it's not guaranty that it will be patched. But once they played the patched version, they will search for the patch.
So, in the end, the people really impacted by this are the more honest members of the community. They are the one who play the game without a single clue about the restoring patch, made by the community of course.

So in the end, I think that (in the future because doing it now would be really suspicious) Lewd Patcher should be improved in a way or another and don't limit its content to just the restoring patch. I mean, the more mods/patchs will be available in the site, the more an author will be able to talk about it without suspicion. It's a mod site which have one patch which will not please Patreon, over the x mods available for the game.
But like I said, it can't be done this early after the creation of the site and when the tension with Patreon is still heavy.
Yeah, that would make a difference. To be honest though the people who I think developers would want to get their content as intended are the honest patrons. They want the people paying for their project to know what they are offering and to know they can expect it from them. As I've said previously, the worst part of this isn't that they're cracking down, because we can and will get around it as all rules are made to be broken. The worst part is that your ability to showcase your kink as a selling point of the game is inhibited by the regulations.
 

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It's been said many times before but it's worth saying before: Anger and vitriol toward Patreon should be directed more toward PayPal. But be careful: I have a friend who got suckered into a pay-for-pics situation with some random hottie on snapchat. He paid via PayPal but never got anything, and then was stupid enough to contact PayPal to get his money back. The result? A permanent lifetime PayPal ban for using PayPal for adult content. He tried everything short of opening new bank accounts (VPN, resetting his IP, etc), and they still blocked him. He considered opening accounts with another bank, but realized this would be difficult to explain to his wife hah. This was four years ago, and about once every two or three months my buddy asks me to do him a solid and purchase something on PayPal for him, because that lifetime ban WORKS. He pays me back and always buys my beer when we meet up, so it's all good... :)
 

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Yeah. If Paypal wouldn't care about content, we wouldn't have this problems as Patreon wouldn't be the only platform to go. Maybe even some serious platform would emerge where games are sold when they're finished rather than monthly. But I doubt Paypal will ever change
 
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You can report violations other than age. Its very likely that the content was brought up in the report that flagged it. However maybe, since it is called teachers pet, the reason for the review was the fact that it was Teachers. I have spoken with people in europe who don't see it this way, however in america it's generally a forbidden taboo for a student and a teacher to enter any relationship. America is more sensitive to implied power dynamics because there's less regulation in place to prevent corruption. So, it very well could be that the simple fact that the game implies a chance of corruptive content is all it took. Also, I've not played that, but I read the descrip, doesn't it explicity state that a character in the class is your daughter?

But from what I hear they haven't been suspending them en masse. I keep hearing that they've only targetted a few projects. Is that not true? Is there a list containing hundreds of them? I mean, it seems popular devs like Ptolemy are still producing incest content on patreon. So it can't be as widespread as you seem to think.
As a male teacher you wouldnt want to be left alone with any students even if its something harmless like answering questions about the homework. You can get a suspension just because a student claimed you did something. I know theres reasons for it, but it really bothers me that just because I got a dick that I am going to fuck my students. The last three sexual relations in my district have been from female teacher, yet I have to go to seminars to remind me to keep it in my pants. Sorry for the rant.
 
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As a male teacher you wouldnt want to be left alone with any students even if its something harmless like answering questions about the homework. You can get a suspension just because a student claimed you did something. I know theres reasons for it, but it really bothers me that just because I got a dick that I am going to fuck my students. The last three sexual relations in my district have been from female teacher, yet I have to go to seminars to remind me to keep it in my pants. Sorry for the rant.
Most likely America's stuff. Dunno about western Europe but in eastern no one gives a crap about such a things and such accusations sound stupid as hell for us. In fact even real relations with teacher probably wouldn't really matter if they were quiet enough to not make it a public issue
 

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Yeah. If Paypal wouldn't care about content, we wouldn't have this problems as Patreon wouldn't be the only platform to go. Maybe even some serious platform would emerge where games are sold when they're finished rather than monthly. But I doubt Paypal will ever change
That would likely kill the indie industry. The reason this format works is because these people are being funded. People who do this funding need to stop thinking of what they're doing as paying for content and start seeing it as investing in it. Don't get me wrong, I'm right there with people who are frustrated by something they've crowd funded not doing as well as they'd like, but that's what makes this system work, we just need to promote the devs of quality content and let the failures die.