Comics Collection Melissa N. Collection [2024-06-02] [Melissa N.]

[Thalantyr]

Also, I wish stories would mix it up a bit. If you're gonna tuck or cage the penis and then pretend it's not there, why not start with some kind of bottom surgery first then? Especially with the more sci-fi/magic type story progression, not every story has to go: makeup on face to pass, exercise and get thin, start growing boobs, get bottom surgery in last two pages and story done.

I assume you're not discounting the massive effect this has on the character's state of mind, right? It's not like, "if you're going to cage him, might as well give him a vaginoplasty". There's a huge difference in how the character would react to each of those things. But a great example of vaginoplasty used as step 1 of the feminization is the movie The Skin I Live In.

 

[MyraTSF]

I assume you're not discounting the massive effect this has on the character's state of mind, right? It's not like, "if you're going to cage him, might as well give him a vaginoplasty". There's a huge difference in how the character would react to each of those things. But a great example of vaginoplasty used as step 1 of the feminization is the movie The Skin I Live In.

The Skin I Live In is an amazing movie. It's like one of those forced fem writers was allowed to direct a movie
Funny how it also had an AP part to it

 

[Oled65cxpua]

10 centimers of penetration... Hmm, if my calculations are correct that's about 4 inches. It would only be logical to conclude Andrew is being set up to be penetrated by a man with a 4 inch penis. Now who in the story would that be?

 

[MyraTSF]

10 centimers of penetration... Hmm, if my calculations are correct that's about 4 inches. It would only be logical to conclude Andrew is being set up to be penetrated by a man with a 4 inch penis. Now who in the story would that be?

Nikos with his magnum dong surely not. Joel could fit the bill.

 

[Stevedore100]

The Skin I Live In is an amazing movie. It's like one of those forced fem writers was allowed to direct a movie
Funny how it also had an AP part to it

And there is always John Hughes, long ago writing for National Lampoon with "My Vagina" in which that is the only thing that changes

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[Thalantyr]

Nikos with his magnum dong surely not. Joel could fit the bill.

Unless Joel is destined to soon become a man with a 0-inch penis.

 

[rebirth095]

I assume you're not discounting the massive effect this has on the character's state of mind, right? It's not like, "if you're going to cage him, might as well give him a vaginoplasty". There's a huge difference in how the character would react to each of those things. But a great example of vaginoplasty used as step 1 of the feminization is the movie The Skin I Live In.

There's a difference, but the point is the character should react. There should be major impacts on the character's state of mind (for either being stuck in chastity or waking up suddenly with a vagina), but so often in these stories, the author fails to differentiate what those changes are. That's why I brought up the magic/scifi surgery stuff: So many stories I've read seem to think "caged cock" = "No erection", therefore "flat and female passing crotch". And outside of an initial "I don't want to have my cage locked away", there's absolutely no other reaction. At that point, in my opinion, the author might as well have gone more drastic if the main character is so non-nonchalant about having their sexual autonomy removed. The original Autocloset is a great setting for incremental but fast changes. You could easily have an Autocloset story do the genital prosthetics first, and build on the feminization from there.

Basically, I'm going back to my general attitude that stories should examine if the transformation mechanism matches the story they want to tell. If there's a writer that's squeamish about the details, or just not interested in the "juicy bits" of a "realistic" feminization story, maybe don't have your setting/premise be a slow "realistic" feminization. I find their works too samey, but to give credit where credit is due, at least Sapphirefoxx embraces skipping over some details. The Sili-gel is a cheat to get to the body type Sapphirefoxx is aiming for, but it's a cheat that works (generally) with the stories he wants to tell.

To me, there's two major components I think are necessarily when it comes to including chastity for it to have been made the most of in the story:

First is the sexual aspect. There's a lot of conflicting feelings that come from being caged. A person might discover their submissive side, and thrill to have their sexual autonomy taken from them. A person might just be resentful and frustrated, as they get increasingly horny and just want out. For me, there was something weirdly "safe" feeling when I first experimented with chastity. Like despite losing control, psychologically it was like I was taking control and not letting my dick have its way. And I'm sure there's even more beyond that. But that's something that really helps characterize a person and is, imo, part of the erotica.
The second is the physical realities of wearing a cage. It can be uncomfortable. You can get really paranoid whether it's obviously visible. Different clothes work better and worse with a cage. Same with underwear. I don't necessarily care that the author gets everything 100% accurate, but at least the story shouldn't just completely ignore it.

And really, there's a lot of transformation bits that get sidelined. Characters wearing wigs aren't thrown off at all by the sudden change in hair length, or feeling a bit off with how it's attached. Characters who get false long nails never seem thrown off, never accidentally scratch themselves, or get their nails caught on stuff. It's fine to not fixate on every little thing, but it's that much more egregious to me when the story does fixate on changes but seems to not notice that there are plenty of other things that should also get some form of reaction.

 

[misseva88]

There's a difference, but the point is the character should react. There should be major impacts on the character's state of mind (for either being stuck in chastity or waking up suddenly with a vagina), but so often in these stories, the author fails to differentiate what those changes are. That's why I brought up the magic/scifi surgery stuff: So many stories I've read seem to think "caged cock" = "No erection", therefore "flat and female passing crotch". And outside of an initial "I don't want to have my cage locked away", there's absolutely no other reaction. At that point, in my opinion, the author might as well have gone more drastic if the main character is so non-nonchalant about having their sexual autonomy removed. The original Autocloset is a great setting for incremental but fast changes. You could easily have an Autocloset story do the genital prosthetics first, and build on the feminization from there.

Basically, I'm going back to my general attitude that stories should examine if the transformation mechanism matches the story they want to tell. If there's a writer that's squeamish about the details, or just not interested in the "juicy bits" of a "realistic" feminization story, maybe don't have your setting/premise be a slow "realistic" feminization. I find their works too samey, but to give credit where credit is due, at least Sapphirefoxx embraces skipping over some details. The Sili-gel is a cheat to get to the body type Sapphirefoxx is aiming for, but it's a cheat that works (generally) with the stories he wants to tell.

To me, there's two major components I think are necessarily when it comes to including chastity for it to have been made the most of in the story:

First is the sexual aspect. There's a lot of conflicting feelings that come from being caged. A person might discover their submissive side, and thrill to have their sexual autonomy taken from them. A person might just be resentful and frustrated, as they get increasingly horny and just want out. For me, there was something weirdly "safe" feeling when I first experimented with chastity. Like despite losing control, psychologically it was like I was taking control and not letting my dick have its way. And I'm sure there's even more beyond that. But that's something that really helps characterize a person and is, imo, part of the erotica.
The second is the physical realities of wearing a cage. It can be uncomfortable. You can get really paranoid whether it's obviously visible. Different clothes work better and worse with a cage. Same with underwear. I don't necessarily care that the author gets everything 100% accurate, but at least the story shouldn't just completely ignore it.

And really, there's a lot of transformation bits that get sidelined. Characters wearing wigs aren't thrown off at all by the sudden change in hair length, or feeling a bit off with how it's attached. Characters who get false long nails never seem thrown off, never accidentally scratch themselves, or get their nails caught on stuff. It's fine to not fixate on every little thing, but it's that much more egregious to me when the story does fixate on changes but seems to not notice that there are plenty of other things that should also get some form of reaction.

In most stories GRS also gives pleasurable results, which isn't always the case. Heck, the transition itself is usually successful in that the transwoman is very passable and their environment is accepting in the gender transition.

Those aspects are often ignored in stories like this too. I guess the good old rule of sexy does apply to things like this. Personally I don't care about chastity cages, so I am fine with it being just a plot device to keep the story going rather. I don't need the background of every tree either.
When more time is spent on a character getting used to long nails there's the issue of pacing in a comic like this. So it may be a good old case of damned if you, damned if you don't.

 

[rebirth095]

In most stories GRS also gives pleasurable results, which isn't always the case. Heck, the transition itself is usually successful in that the transwoman is very passable and their environment is accepting in the gender transition.

Those aspects are often ignored in stories like this too. I guess the good old rule of sexy does apply to things like this. Personally I don't care about chastity cages, so I am fine with it being just a plot device to keep the story going rather. I don't need the background of every tree either.
When more time is spent on a character getting used to long nails there's the issue of pacing in a comic like this. So it may be a good old case of damned if you, damned if you don't.

Right, and people are always able to cum purely form anal in erotica when it's really not that easy. But my greater point isn't about strictly adhering to realism, but that at least you gotta pass the smell test. It's not realistic for a person to be actually feminized, but you'd expect the development to have some logical progression, even if the end result isn't "realistic". And that's the only reason I bring up "realism" when it comes to chastity. I don't expect lavish details on each discomfort and every aspect. But there should be some kind of on-going response, because that's a pretty big change. Just as much (if not more) as having prosthetic breasts glued on. Most of the time these stories will spend loads of time playing with the "new breasts", or reflecting on how it feels to have them, but they often skip over how noticeable other changes would be. Or one that I see a lot in early (and even now) TG fiction, is a lot of details will be brought up about how the character feels about wearing a skirt, but they just kind of gloss over the feeling of wearing a bra.

And it's true, you have to choose your battles. But once you introduce something and draw attention to it, forgetting about it completely isn't good craftsmanship. If I write a story where a person loses a hand, that should have some kind of effect on the character or plot. If I'm not going to acknowledge it, then maybe that entire plot point could be dropped without hurting the story. In fact, since it has so little impact on the plot, it makes more sense to drop the thing entirely, as that makes the story more compact and can improve the pacing.

So using the nails as an example, I'd argue if you're not going to do anything with them, then there's no reason to have them be part of the makeover scenes. On the flip side, a good utilization of painted or grown out nails can be using them as one of the metrics for gauging the character's feminization. You could be showing how the character is more aware about fashion and worrying about whether the nail color is a good match for the outfit. Or the character is spending time to upkeep their nails, showing that they're embracing their feminization more than before.

 

[misseva88]

And it's true, you have to choose your battles. But once you introduce something and draw attention to it, forgetting about it completely isn't good craftsmanship. If I write a story where a person loses a hand, that should have some kind of effect on the character or plot. If I'm not going to acknowledge it, then maybe that entire plot point could be dropped without hurting the story. In fact, since it has so little impact on the plot, it makes more sense to drop the thing entirely, as that makes the story more compact and can improve the pacing.

So using the nails as an example, I'd argue if you're not going to do anything with them, then there's no reason to have them be part of the makeover scenes. On the flip side, a good utilization of painted or grown out nails can be using them as one of the metrics for gauging the character's feminization. You could be showing how the character is more aware about fashion and worrying about whether the nail color is a good match for the outfit. Or the character is spending time to upkeep their nails, showing that they're embracing their feminization more than before.

Are you talking specifically about Aphrodite or more generally about all TG fiction? I find it hard to debate the merits of other stories I probably haven't read.

In Aphrodite we're often seeing the world through Elena's eyes. We know what she's thinking when she's undergoing some feminisation procedures. Andrew complains about the full body waxing as the most painful experience of his life, he's complaining about the gaff and the tightness of the corset. Later he complains about finding it difficult to walk in high heels. The fact he doesn't complain about those things later on any more implies he's gotten used to it. I feel the same goes if he would have complained about wearing a bra, enjoys the sensation of air flowing through his legs when wearing a skirt or about dangling earrings against his face when turning his head.

I don't see acrylic nails as a Chekov's gun. It's proof of en embrace of femininity, a conformity to what's expected. The lack of complaining implies resignation. I don't think it's a lack of craftsmanship, not in this story. But again, it may apply to other stories. In this story

Generally I'm a fan of pulp stories. Stories like those of Raymond Chandler have straight action and not a lot of filler. I think there is place in a story for someone getting used to their nails, but I don't think it's really the core of the story. I feel the adjustment to the new social life is more the core of AM than the physicality of Elena getting used to bra straps. That's what Melissa is focusing more on. Not deviating from it by having a second set of leg waxing to show Elena is getting used to her new situation I feel wouldn't be really necessary.

I'm a fan of time jumps in transformation stories as the adjustment to the feminine reality don't really need to be addressed directly. I think it works really well. Though AM doesn't have too many massive time jumps, I feel it's still clear.

 

[rebirth095]

Are you talking specifically about Aphrodite or more generally about all TG fiction? I find it hard to debate the merits of other stories I probably haven't read.

In Aphrodite we're often seeing the world through Elena's eyes. We know what she's thinking when she's undergoing some feminisation procedures. Andrew complains about the full body waxing as the most painful experience of his life, he's complaining about the gaff and the tightness of the corset. Later he complains about finding it difficult to walk in high heels. The fact he doesn't complain about those things later on any more implies he's gotten used to it. I feel the same goes if he would have complained about wearing a bra, enjoys the sensation of air flowing through his legs when wearing a skirt or about dangling earrings against his face when turning his head.

I don't see acrylic nails as a Chekov's gun. It's proof of en embrace of femininity, a conformity to what's expected. The lack of complaining implies resignation. I don't think it's a lack of craftsmanship, not in this story. But again, it may apply to other stories. In this story

Generally I'm a fan of pulp stories. Stories like those of Raymond Chandler have straight action and not a lot of filler. I think there is place in a story for someone getting used to their nails, but I don't think it's really the core of the story. I feel the adjustment to the new social life is more the core of AM than the physicality of Elena getting used to bra straps. That's what Melissa is focusing more on. Not deviating from it by having a second set of leg waxing to show Elena is getting used to her new situation I feel wouldn't be really necessary.

I'm a fan of time jumps in transformation stories as the adjustment to the feminine reality don't really need to be addressed directly. I think it works really well. Though AM doesn't have too many massive time jumps, I feel it's still clear.

I was speaking generally about writing, but all of my comments apply in how I analyze Aphrodite's Mirror. Some of what I'm looking for from a literary standpoint (in particular, how that analysis applies to feminization stories) is present in AM, some is not. Elena repeatedly does complain and acknowledge parts of the feminization. After the timeskip, she reflects about how nice stockings feel on her hairless skin



and notices when her hair is longer.


She still complains about high heels, and notes the different feeling of her body.




All this makes perfect sense because someone should be reacting to these changes. So I don't have any complaints about these aspects because they were actually addressed and make sense given what we know about Andrew, his lack of previous crossdressing, and the suddenly altered body he currently is in. Which is why, given all this attention to how alien these changes feel, the lack of attention given to the longer nails is a notable omission (both right at the beginning, and now after the timeskip). I'm not saying "oh no, story is ruined". Just pointing out an omission that was perfectly inline with other changes of the same level that were given attention to.

Speaking more generally, and not AM or Melissa specific, I do get why people may not realize some of these things. If you're a woman writing TG fiction, you might have gotten used to longer nails, longer hair, or how clothes feel/putting them on, and therefore gloss over that. There was a (I think it might have been a behind the scenes) scene in a body swap porn by Reya Fet that really illustrated that. One of the actresses is pretending to be a guy possessing the girl, and goes to get dressed. The actress effortlessly takes off her bra, where the person on the camera cuts, and points out, "hey, maybe struggle with it a bit".

On the flip side, I'm sure there are male writers that haven't researched or tried a lot of the clothing/makeup that they're attempting to describe. I grew out my hair for the first time after having it short for decades, and one of the first things I struggled with was "how the fuck do you tie your hair into a pony tail"? If it's not a practiced motion, it really does feel freaking weird. Writers often talk about how smooth the underwear feels, but they rarely point out how thin the fabric that is there feels. Especially comparing underwear with a fly, and panties that don't.

Again, if you miss a few things, choose to gloss over a few things, or are just a bit sparse with details in general, it's not the end of the world. But I think those are areas of improvement, especially in the genre of long, slow, "realistic", and deliberate feminization stories.

Generally I'm a fan of pulp stories. Stories like those of Raymond Chandler have straight action and not a lot of filler.

Oh yeah, I'm a fan of pulp fiction and light novels as well. Not using this term derisively, but I love a good "trashy" read. But a core aspect of these stories is that they're generally pretty short. I think a fair comparison is to Melissa's non "long story" works. Like "All He Wants For Christmas" or "Dress For Success", I think these short comics are great in a very "pulpy" sort of way. You see the progression of the feminization, you get a taste of the changes in relationship/status, and the story doesn't overstay its welcome. The characters are just developed enough so you know where they start and where they end.

But as a story gets longer, and especially when a writer does spend the time to go over aspects of the transformation in detail, I do expect the characters to react to those individual changes. The story is longer and has the time to, and those descriptions can serve multiple useful functions for the reader:

1) They can be erotic as part of the feminization. Getting some details on how it feels to wear those clothes or have those body modifications is part of the fantasy.

2) They can be useful to understand how the character is feeling about their feminization. Is it still pure resentment? Mild irritation? Secretly discovering a feminine side?

3) It can be used to contrast later attitudes to those changes.

 

[Elaine.]

i tend to agree that when the MC is feminized or realizes that something is different he will concentrate on those changes for a time until it becomes normal. so he will continue to notice that he has to wear a bra to support his large breasts and to that he cant stop wearing one because of the support they provide. Of course he has to learn how to adjust and put one on but I suspect like most people who wear a bra day in day out they get used to it.

However in most forced feminisation stories the MC goes from a fairly flat chested male to a buxom female. He may not enjoy what has occurred but it doesnt help the story to hark back about that aspect but perhaps to concentrate on other aspects of having breasts or cleavage. For example that someone stares at the MC's cleavage or his nipples are harder or that they are continuing to develop or grow bigger or tthat they can't be hidden from sight or that they become erogenous zones in a way they never expected.

in victorian stories for examle where the MC is forced to wear a corset they do need time to adjust to the corset until suddenly a new tighter corset is produced that requires the MC to complain how unfair or painful it is to wear the new one. In time though wearing a tight corset becomes normal and eventually there is the shock of realising that he has to wear one because he cant get dressed otherwise or it becomes painful not to do so or that it forces him to sit upright.

 

[Thalantyr]

New K-pop discord preview:

 

[MyraTSF]

Now imagine that doctor had a doc-cousin in greece.

 

[Thalantyr]

This doc has already got our hapless heroine stripped down to her panties. I'd wonder if he has ulterior motives, but that would sort of defeat the purpose of the earpieces if he doesn't care about Nick's consent.

 

[MyraTSF]

Ya know even tho K-PoP doesnt spark the same amount of theorycrafting and wild discussions as Mirror I'm now slowly getting on board. Mostly because of:
- Korea has a much more different society than the western one. Even more stranger than greece to someone from the US.
- The Idol culture is, if you look behind the curtains and glamour pretty dark and to some degree fucked up evil.
- The visual cultural change is much stronger and drastic than in Mirror.

Now we are close to the "Surgery" part of Melissas story where the protagonist enters their final and inescapable journey. I wonder if Melissa decided to normaly enhance the appearance or focus on one area (breast or ass) and make it as a focal point in the new appearance.

Kinda excited how the new character will look like.

 

[Thalantyr]

Mostly because of:
- Korea has a much more different society than the western one. Even more stranger than greece to someone from the US.
- The Idol culture is, if you look behind the curtains and glamour pretty dark and to some degree fucked up evil.

I suppose that depends if they actually take him back to Korea. The 3 girls are exchange students and so far the entire story has taken place in whatever English-speaking country Nick is from.

Now we are close to the "Surgery" part of Melissas story where the protagonist enters their final and inescapable journey. I wonder if Melissa decided to normaly enhance the appearance or focus on one area (breast or ass) and make it as a focal point in the new appearance.

Kinda excited how the new character will look like.

I'm kinda hoping the surgery focuses on Nick's face. The rest of the body is already looking pretty good IMO. Case in point:

Plus, permanently changing his facial features is the most effective way to emphasize the racial change.

 

[MyraTSF]

I suppose that depends if they actually take him back to Korea. The 3 girls are exchange students and so far the entire story has taken place in whatever English-speaking country Nick is from.


I'm kinda hoping the surgery focuses on Nick's face. The rest of the body is already looking pretty good IMO. Case in point:
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Plus, permanently changing his facial features is the most effective way to emphasize the racial change.

Well, one can hope. Going to korea and get trapped in the idol culture were every step you do is monitored and judged would kind of cool. Obsessive fans, strict management and public appearances... hmmm

I think the whole point is Nick is a washed-up musician but finds success in a different way than expected

 

[Thalantyr]

I think the whole point is Nick is a washed-up musician but finds success in a different way than expected

Yeah, although now that I think of it, that seems like ideal premise for a willing/consensual story, but Nick is clearly fighting this. Oh well.

Plot twist: This story is part 2 of a Greek mythology trilogy and Minji is actually Euterpe, the Muse of music, sent to inspire Nick to greatness!

 

[rebirth095]

I'm kinda hoping the surgery focuses on Nick's face. The rest of the body is already looking pretty good IMO. Case in point:
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Plus, permanently changing his facial features is the most effective way to emphasize the racial change.

Oh, this 100%. One of the thing that throws me off the most is that I never thought that Nick looked Asian enough to pass when that guy came looking for Nick.

Well, one can hope. Going to korea and get trapped in the idol culture were every step you do is monitored and judged would kind of cool. Obsessive fans, strict management and public appearances... hmmm

I think the whole point is Nick is a washed-up musician but finds success in a different way than expected

Yeah, although now that I think of it, that seems like ideal premise for a willing/consensual story, but Nick is clearly fighting this. Oh well.

Also, a growing trend has been laser hair removal (including/particularly) facial hair in Korea. I'm also a bit surprised the story didn't straight up take place in Korea, as between the beauty culture there and the idol culture, there's a ton you could draw upon for a story, forced or consensual.

Like, you have an exchange student visiting Korea, with patchy and not particularly nice looking facial hair. He gets scouted by a older female talent manager. Maybe he drinks a bit too much after a night of karaoke and she overhears him in the streets. Or tie it in some other way. Regardless, he gets lured into a relationship, where he slowly gets feminized. Removing his facial hair and trying some makeup get normalized as exploring the culture there. She convinces him that he could be the next big thing, and leverages his desire for fame (and infatuation with her) to push him further down the path. Especially once he's left to the trainers, then you can even leverage the language barrier to further put him into awkward situations.

Depending on the route you want to take, you could even have him debut as a male idol, get involved in some kind of controversy, and out of desperation, begs the manager for a second chance, where she proposes debuting under a new identity.