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Crim

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I guess I am pretty much a professional at everything I do then, because I have "skillsets" inside various types of subjects.
That's not how the world works, you'll probably get that, when you get older, I guess.
If you are paid for it, then yes, by definition you are.

Moreover, the definition of amateur is that you are not paid. You're mistakenly under the impression that professional/amateur relates to the level of skill you posses. It doesn't necessarily, the only requirement is that someone is paying you for the work.

A person without the same education, working along us, wouldn't be seen as a professional like us, regardless of them receiving the same paycheck as us.
A person without the same education wouldn't be hired for the same job. IE. Would not be a professional because they would not be paid. If through whatever reason they were hired when they shouldn't be, they would be professional whether you liked it or not. It's not subjective.
 
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ZecoRho

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I guess we are both right then
No. You are wrong for thinking that the term must apply to all its definitions!
If I hired a professional pilot, I would like to believe, that the pilot had training and that he didn't just believe it himself.
Boy, here we go again! Whats with the "believing" stuff? Which definition of professional includes "believing in one self"? If are paid to fly then they are by definition a professional pilot. Where are you taking this?
I guess for some people it depends on the work that's done too.
No.
If a porn game "maker", is doing a crap job, then they are amateurs, if they are doing a great job, they are professionals - regardless of the money.
Wrong by definition of the word "professional" as defined in multiple dictionaries, as I have previously proven.
In my line of work irl, my colleagues and I regard ourselves as professionals, since we've all wen't through college and university to be bachelors and candidates in our field. A person without the same education, working along us, wouldn't be seen as a professional like us, regardless of them receiving the same paycheck as us.
If they are being paid for their work then they are professionals. If you and your colleagues don't believe that, then that's just that. A belief. Not a statement of fact.
We've worked hard to achieve our status as professionals - money is not the case in this.
Money is in the defitnion. You're just confusing the words "Education" and "Profession".
You worked hard for a degree but job market decided whether your degree is worth money. That makes your uneducated colleague a professional as well.
 
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No. You are wrong for thinking that the term must apply to all its definitions!

Boy, here we go again! Whats with the "believing" stuff? Which definition of professional includes "believing in one self"? If are paid to fly then they are by definition a professional pilot. Where are you taking this?
No.
Wrong by definition of the word "professional" as defined in multiple dictionaries, as I have previously proven.
If they are being paid for their work then they are professionals. If you and your colleagues don't believe that, then that's just that. A belief. Not a statement of fact.
Money is in the defitnion. You're just confusing the words "Education" and "Profession".
You worked hard for a degree but job market decided whether your degree is worth money. That makes your uneducated colleague a professional as well.
It's funny, that you keep stating that you are right only, even though all the dictionaries you look into are saying the same thing about my statements :D

It can both mean, that you earn money on a thing, but it can also mean, that you have recieved training/education in something. Our subjective ideas about professionalism isn't the same, and that's fair enough, because they aren't wrong either of them, even though you feel like it.

If you are paid for it, then yes, by definition you are.

Moreover, the definition of amateur is that you are not paid. You're mistakenly under the impression that professional/amateur relates to the level of skill you posses. It doesn't necessarily, the only requirement is that someone is paying you for the work.



A person without the same education wouldn't be hired for the same job. IE. Would not be a professional because they would not be paid. If through whatever reason they were hired when they shouldn't be, they would be professional whether you liked it or not. It's not subjective.
Bullshit.
You can easily be an amateur earning money in some kind of workrelated field, without being a professional.
 

ZecoRho

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It's funny, that you keep stating that you are right only, even though all the dictionaries you look into are saying the same thing about my statements :D
I really hope your profession doesn't require reading comprehension.
No dictionary claims that a term must apply to all its definitions. You are claiming that. And you're wrong.

It can both mean, that you earn money on a thing, but it can also mean, that you have recieved training/education in something.
Correct. it can mean that you "you have recieved training/education in something" OR that "earn money on a thing"
And because of the logical operator [OR] (a backbone of having multiple dictionary definitions), one of the statemements needs to be true for person in question to be considered a professional. What you are claiming is that if one of the statements is false, that means the outcome of the operation will be false.
And that's where you're wrong.

Our subjective ideas about professionalism isn't the same, and that's fair enough, because they aren't wrong either of them, even though you feel like it.
I've literally only been quoting dictionary definitions. The one presenting subjective ideas here is you. Did I mention they're also wrong?

You can easily be an amateur earning money in some kind of workrelated field, without being a professional.
Dictionaries disagree with your bullshit. Even the prestigious ones. Oof.
 
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I really hope your profession doesn't require reading comprehension.
No dictionary claims that a term must apply to all its definitions. You are claiming that. And you're wrong.


Correct. it can mean that you "you have recieved training/education in something" OR that "earn money on a thing"
And because of the logical operator [OR] (a backbone of having multiple dictionary definitions), one of the statemements needs to be true for person in question to be considered a professional. What you are claiming is that if one of the statements is false, that means the outcome of the operation will be false.
And that's where you're wrong.


I've literally only been quoting dictionary definitions. The one presenting subjective ideas here is you. Did I mention they're also wrong?


Dictionaries disagree with your bullshit. Even the prestigious ones. Oof.
I've already posted several dictionary posts from the same sources as you in which they tell us the same, as I stated in the beginning. You can keep on whining all 2019 through, I don't care :)
 

cr1c3t0

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Are there any problem with the vortex's site ?
This is the error:
"Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator at vortex.cannon.ent@gmail.com to inform them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just before this error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
 

vortexcannon

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Are there any problem with the vortex's site ?
This is the error:
"Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator at vortex.cannon.ent@gmail.com to inform them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just before this error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
Everything works for me. Maybe you got at the time of the server update.

Last Man 2.62
The first build of this year. On holidays, it lost a planned new scene, but still contains some important changes.

One of them is that all the development and interweaving of quest chains in the game will be temporarily pre-generated. The game will count in advance what events in the game will occur and in what order. This sequence will not be reset when the game is restarted. Of course, you, as before, will be able to influence events with your actions in quests. And it does not affect the possibility of passing the game at 100%.

The sequence will be reset when the game starts from the first day (so that the events in the new game will develop differently), as well as once a week forcibly.

The second change, which was asked for a long time, is an automatic update of the game, without downloading the entire client. When new builds or patches with fixes are released, the game will alert you about this. When you click on the update button, the game will download only the updated files, install them and restart. This feature currently works only in the Windows version of the game.

If someone has the opportunity to host the game update files, let me know. If there are several servers, the game will be able to choose the one that is closer to the player.

The translation of the game into Spanish, Korean, Polish and Turkish was also updated.

Updated Preacher’s Event. Some more sex scenes were able to rewind. Updated game installer.
Changelog and links to download in first post
 

JKH18

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Tried the game, would be worth investing in, but not about to put any payment info to a russian site. Not worth the risk. I'd suggest to the devs to switch to a less putin controlled platform like patreon. :p
 

vortexcannon

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Tried the game, would be worth investing in, but not about to put any payment info to a russian site. Not worth the risk. I'd suggest to the devs to switch to a less putin controlled platform like patreon. :p
No donations/payments are accepted on the game website. Only PayPal, Patreon and other third-party payment systems, only through their websites.
No any personal information is stored or transmitted to my website.
 
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jodike

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Tried the game, would be worth investing in, but not about to put any payment info to a russian site. Not worth the risk. I'd suggest to the devs to switch to a less putin controlled platform like patreon. :p
sadly enough both paypal and patreon are censory platforms now who bully out all the competition like they did too subscribestar
 
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