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How exactly do you expect a completely different country to enforce a lawsuit on someone in another country?
That's not what I meant ; I probably didn't correctly phrased my mind.
Western countries are less compliant with interaction implying minor and pornography than they were 10 years ago. By example, most of them now have laws stating that whatever if you were on another country when you had sex with a minor from this other country, you can be and will be prosecuted in your own country. It's the only case when you can be prosecuted by the justice of your country for something done outside it and involving a victim who don't depend of its laws. In fact, even if it's legal in the said other country, you still can be prosecuted in your own country.
Obviously, here it's not the same thing, but that's what I meant. They strike harder and harder when it involve both minors and pornography. So, seeing them going big for something which shouldn't be this big, wouldn't surprise me.


They can't garnish your wages or something like they would be able to do in the home country. Especially not if you're not being paid by an employer
You don't need to be paid by an employer, if they can't go directly to the source, they'll go to your bank account ; at least it's how it works here. But the problem isn't this one. Exposing minor to pornography don't just cost you money, it can, and will most of the time, also sent you to jail, especially nowadays. So, technically speaking, they can ask for your extradition.
Obviously (again), the risk that it happen are really low. It's what you face technically speaking, but practically speaking the risks that it happen are low.


I'm an American,[...]third, have parents who think to get a lawyer involved, fourth for that lawyer to get it on the news, and fifth for the news to be slow enough to get this moving.[...]
Do you really think, as an US citizen, that your third, fourth and fifth points are really this difficult to imagine ?
I know that it's a cliché, but as a none US resident they seem implied by "the kid is caught". His soccer mom will immediately call her lawyer, who will immediately start a news campaign to ensure his victory. Then the angry christian soccer moms organization will spread this campaign outside of the county, and invite itself on every single big TV show to remember to everyone how much pornography is a sin and how strong people must go against it.
After all, it's what happen when they started to blame video games for the behavior of their sons. At first the rest of the world mocked them, and now they spread it so much that we have the same debate, hopefully just time to time, in our own countries.
They actually are against pornography, if they found a breach, they'll use it for sure. Which doesn't mean that you'll be extradited and go to jail if you don't put the warning, just that the risk, as small as it is, really exist. But (still) obviously if they act, they'll search a target bigger than an indie porn game creator.
 
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Do you really think, as an US citizen, that your third, fourth and fifth points are really this difficult to imagine ?
But how rare is it though? That's kinda the thing. You have to realize how large the US really is. There's always news. Especially in the age of Trump. In fact, there's so much news that is getting ignored in favor of pushing the Cold War II narrative. More importantly, I was a teen who got caught with porn in the US in a religious family. I know from experience that families generally try to avoid their children's sexual deviancy being made public.

That's not what I meant ; I probably didn't correctly phrased my mind.
I know, that part was to the other person who was quoted there... Zippity if I remember correctly.

You don't need to be paid by an employer, if they can't go directly to the source, they'll go to your bank account
Fairly certain that's illegal in the US, however, again, if for instance, the french government wanted to prosecute me, they'd not be able to enforce it without an extradition order.


The thing is, I agree with your sentiment, I simply think your version is incredibly sensationalized. It takes nothing to add this page and has the potential to completely avoid any of this drama. So my advice is to do it. However, its not realistic to actually worry about it if you come from and distribute your product through a country that doesn't have this law.
 

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But how rare is it though? That's kinda the thing. You have to realize how large the US really is.
I know. Around 9 times more people than in my country, and I live in the more populated in Europe, but with a density of population incredibly small for this much citizens.
In fact, that's why I said that my thoughts were a cliché. It's a real thing which really happen, but like everyone living out of the USA, we imagine it surely way more frequent that it is. This just because we don't hear about all the time when it don't happen, nor all the people saying, "yeah, he was playing violent video games, but it's not related to the problem". It's like everything else all around the world, normal people don't make it in the news.


I know from experience that families generally try to avoid their children's sexual deviancy being made public.
You made a fair point here. Comparing this to the "video games generate violence" is wrong. For the violence thing, it's the excuse because it's already on the news, but unless you do it use a public computer, which is stupid especially if you're underage, being caught playing an adult game will not be public at first. And like you said, it's not the family which will tell to everyone that their son is a pervert.


Fairly certain that's illegal in the US, however, again, if for instance, the french government wanted to prosecute me, they'd not be able to enforce it without an extradition order.
Technically speaking, they can do it without an extradition order. There's agreements letting a country ask the justice of another one to apply the sentence for them. But practically speaking it's a so long and complicated process that it's not even used when the sentence imply millions of dollars/euros, so you're safe with this. It's the same for extraditions, unless you're a monster or a traitor, justice will just wait that you put a foot on their ground, if you do it.
Most of the time, these kind of agreements are here "just in case". And like they are bilateral, every single country fear to use them. They don't want to be the one which will open the Pandora box and hear something like, "Oh, by the way, we have this citizen of yours we sentenced..."


The thing is, I agree with your sentiment, I simply think your version is incredibly sensationalized.
To be fair it wasn't my intend at first. But then I saw this "polite" thing. Sometimes you need to be over dramatic to send back people to the reality ; but I've probably been a little to much over dramatic here.
 
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How exactly do you expect a completely different country to enforce a lawsuit on someone in another country? They can't garnish your wages or something like they would be able to do in the home country. Especially not if you're not being paid by an employer.
Some countries have lawful agreements between themselves with regards to lawsuits and law enforcement... Here is some source information regarding International Litigation and so on:





It is very possible, depending on the countries involved... As an example, someone in the UK could sue you in the US court system, if they so desired... They could sue you in their own country, you are informed of the suit, and if you don't appear, they can pass judgement, then they could push for that judgement to be enforced in the US court system, and depending on circumstances and so forth, it is quite possible for either the originating judgement to be approved, or a new judgement instituted by the local court system could be enforced, and so on... People are not as immune, hiding behind their flags like a wall, as they think they are when it comes to violating laws in other countries or international laws or treaty laws, etc...
 

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Started with Lunasoft logo, then mangagamer, a short and very basic animation, then the title - wait, what, where's the 18+ content warning?

So used to it, feels really odd when it is missing for once ...
 
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