Glamour

[Grubb]

You know that Big Brother made 25 thousand dollars a month, right? I assume you didn't or you'd know how ignorant you're being.

Obviously I do. Don't assume things. I am also aware of how much of an idiot DS became over time, as well as public perception of that idiocy, culminating in what happened. I understand some people are stupid and would still follow that person, unfortunately. People can stop caring about something, even if you cannot understand that concept.

I'll just leave it at that. No reason to continue talking about this. Just wanted to leave my piece.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Obviously I do. Don't assume things. I am also aware of how much of an idiot DS became over time, as well as public perception of that idiocy, culminating in what happened. I understand some people are stupid and would still follow that person, unfortunately.

While I wouldn't be so condemning, as I know why people enjoy his games. Yes, exactly, he does have a following, so yes, this is a real issue. I just looked, this game is already making 2k.

 

[Papa Ernie]

I seriously doubt that a game such as

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should be hosted here. It requires a constant "online" presence which only means that one has to open his or her computer's ports to the developer's private server. Which he or she in return can abuse as he or she sees fit. It is basically a torjan that although doesn't install malicious software, and in turn doesn't trigger any antivirus or real-time smart defence, but serves as an open gateway through firewall.

Any game that we play on steam does this but we are trusting Steam not to abuse this and Steam as a company offers guarantees to prevent such abuse. Dark Silver isn't Steam. He made no such claims and even if he would.. those just words of a guy who can vanish from the internet.. with your paypal account password if he so chooses.

I'd like to know ASAP the Moderator team's view on such a matter. I'm seriously concerned over this.

@F95 @Sam @TCMS
Can we get an official comment from the Admin, please?

 

[Sam]

I seriously doubt that a game such as

You must be registered to see the links

should be hosted here. It requires a constant "online" presence which only means that one has to open his or her computer's ports to the developer's private server. Which he or she in return can abuse as he or she sees fit. It is basically a torjan that although doesn't install malicious software, and in turn doesn't trigger any antivirus or real-time smart defence, but serves as an open gateway through firewall.

Any game that we play on steam does this but we are trusting Steam not to abuse this and Steam as a company offers guarantees to prevent such abuse. Dark Silver isn't Steam. He made no such claims and even if he would.. those just words of a guy who can vanish from the internet.. with your paypal account password if he so chooses.

I'd like to know ASAP the Moderator team's view on such a matter. I'm seriously concerned over this.

Any game or program with auto update functionality would act in the same manner, we're not going to remove all games with an updater.

If/when Glamour gets cracked, we'll post that. Until then, I see no problem having the official free version.

 

[Papa Ernie]

Any game or program with auto update functionality would act in the same manner, we're not going to remove all games with an updater.

If/when Glamour gets cracked, we'll post that. Until then, I see no problem having the official free version.

Thank you, @Sam .

 

[freedom.call]

Will a computer be more vulnerable to outside non-game hacks when connected to a server like this?

 

[a meme]

Will a computer be more vulnerable to outside non-game hacks when connected to a server like this?

Depends on how dumb the dev is. Judging by how most of them "code" in ren'py and unity: very vulnerable.

You're an idiot if you play along with this scheme. Even if the dev doesn't use it for malicious purposes, then you can rest assured that someone else will hack him eventually and use your IP addresses, computer specs, and other collected stuff for their profit. Or use the connection to drop malware on your computer, naturally. Then consider the fact that he's from Russia, where most malware and hacks originate nowadays. He'd face zero consequences.

 

[freedom.call]

Depends on how dumb the dev is. Judging by how most of them "code" in ren'py and unity: very vulnerable.

You're an idiot if you play along with this scheme. Even if the dev doesn't use it for malicious purposes, then you can rest assured that someone else will hack him eventually and use your IP addresses, computer specs, and other collected stuff for their profit. Or use the connection to drop malware on your computer, naturally.

Yeah I doubt they spend much time worrying about my end. When something is made someone else will try to exploit.

 

[HolyZombie]

any chance this "always online" getting a crack?

 

[Ennoch]

any chance this "always online" getting a crack?

I wouldn't get my hopes up if i were you. His fanbase couldn't care less and would trust him with their lives, as well as their money.. and those who don't are not that much interested in his game to bother with it.
In time, probably, when its in a state worthy of cracking. Right now, it isn't afaik. Still pretty much day1. Would be too much fuss for nothing. Just read a few pages of its thread, the game offers nothing at the moment.

 

[DarthSeduction]

any chance this "always online" getting a crack?

Having just had to replay most of Big Brother, in order to write the parody I work on, I realized a fatal flaw in his game design that I hadn't noticed the first time, when it was one of few games I'd ever played. Dark Silver's art, the one redeeming factor that many point to, is lazy. His poses and camera angles often block anything sexy, and his sex scenes rarely have more than 10 renders. Compare that to each release of our parody, in which the short stories have a small amount of buildup and then sex for long enough to justify a release, and you get on the low end 30 renders of just sex, but on average 50 renders, yeah, he's lazy.

Combine this with what I've heard from fellow developers who decided to play it even with the constant DRM, and yes, he's genuinely half assing the art, using single frames for entire conversations. What bugs me the most about this is the amount of money he's making, while being so lazy with it. We have a team, making almost no money, but still one artist. I write the scripts, we have a coder to handle the execution, but the art is still on one person's shoulders. I can say, that while writing takes time, most of that time is spent just going over how best to do things in your mind before really commuting it to paper. Code takes time if you've got something complicated, but the way I hear Rich tell it, he's got his framework down so tight that he mostly just has to plug my dialogues and FF's images into his framework and viola. The art is the thing that takes time, and it's the thing that DS is skimping out on.

 

[HolyZombie]

Having just had to replay most of Big Brother, in order to write the parody I work on, I realized a fatal flaw in his game design that I hadn't noticed the first time, when it was one of few games I'd ever played. Dark Silver's art, the one redeeming factor that many point to, is lazy. His poses and camera angles often block anything sexy, and his sex scenes rarely have more than 10 renders. Compare that to each release of our parody, in which the short stories have a small amount of buildup and then sex for long enough to justify a release, and you get on the low end 30 renders of just sex, but on average 50 renders, yeah, he's lazy.

Combine this with what I've heard from fellow developers who decided to play it even with the constant DRM, and yes, he's genuinely half assing the art, using single frames for entire conversations. What bugs me the most about this is the amount of money he's making, while being so lazy with it. We have a team, making almost no money, but still one artist. I write the scripts, we have a coder to handle the execution, but the art is still on one person's shoulders. I can say, that while writing takes time, most of that time is spent just going over how best to do things in your mind before really commuting it to paper. Code takes time if you've got something complicated, but the way I hear Rich tell it, he's got his framework down so tight that he mostly just has to plug my dialogues and FF's images into his framework and viola. The art is the thing that takes time, and it's the thing that DS is skimping out on.

I'm impressed by how far you explained it. But I'm just gonna take a neutral ground here.
Every person have their own taste regarding the sex scenes. Me for an example, love to look at something sexy and taunting poses (even if its one frame in a whole talk) rather than direct poses (show everything etc).
I did agree on the talks about how much he did got money for such a little effort. But then again, that's the power of the marketing. I don't know how exactly he got so popular, but perhaps, it's not all in the art he made, but in the type of story plot somehow, that attracts people. or he's using another way to gain popularity.

I didn't mean to offend anyone. It's just a view from one gamer.

 

[HolyZombie]

I wouldn't get my hopes up if i were you. His fanbase couldn't care less and would trust him with their lives, as well as their money.. and those who don't are not that much interested in his game to bother with it.
In time, probably, when its in a state worthy of cracking. Right now, it isn't afaik. Still pretty much day1. Would be too much fuss for nothing. Just read a few pages of its thread, the game offers nothing at the moment.

I've been reading a lot of replies to know that, for now, it's not gonna be any use to crack this, since the game itself is still so early. There's gonna be a lot of base remodel, script changes, etc. perhaps when things settles down, and the game is stable enough for a long run, then and only then, it will be cracked.

so yeah, like you said. No hopes for now

 

[DarthSeduction]

I'm impressed by how far you explained it. But I'm just gonna take a neutral ground here.
Every person have their own taste regarding the sex scenes. Me for an example, love to look at something sexy and taunting poses (even if its one frame in a whole talk) rather than direct poses (show everything etc).
I did agree on the talks about how much he did got money for such a little effort. But then again, that's the power of the marketing. I don't know how exactly he got so popular, but perhaps, it's not all in the art he made, but in the type of story plot somehow, that attracts people. or he's using another way to gain popularity.

I didn't mean to offend anyone. It's just a view from one gamer.

You may be misunderstanding, or maybe not, but to be clear, I don't think that adding more variety and a plethora of poses diminishes the "Sexy and Taunting" aspect. But I'll take it a step further. After being teased for an immeasurable amount of time for the Anal content with Lisa, we finally get to it, and the camera angle is watching Max's back. Any visual storyteller will have something to say about "Framing", which is a short way of saying that you're placing the camera in order to get a desirable view of the action in the scene. Sometimes that framing is gonna show you something grotesque, because that's what the tone of the thing is and needs you to be disgusted. But with sex, you want to show us something sexy. Bring that camera around 45 degrees, let us see the same thing from the side, or better yet, let us see it from Lisa's face, looking back, giving us her sexualized expression.

I get what you're saying about being teased. There's value in teasing. In fact, teasing makes it into our parody a lot. There's a strip tease scene in our "how I lost my panties" story, telling the missing story from the main game on that subject. There's, in our release coming out this Friday, a number of sexy teasing shots of Olivia's mother, Diane. However, we don't leave it hanging on those, and take the scene to their full extent. To me, with a porn game, I'm looking for something I can't get from regular porn, an emotional connection. That comes from dialogue and progression. But then, when it comes to the sex, as I move through the dialogue and it's only 10 frames long, I've finished the scene with nothing to show for it, because it was too short. Keep in mind that if you're playing the game as he released it, that you're spending 4 or 5 days waiting to get that scene as his artificial grind, scripted events, and randomized events all have to come together to meet in order for you to get it in the first place. That's poor game design.

 

[HolyZombie]

I don't think that adding more variety and a plethora of poses diminishes the "Sexy and Taunting" aspect.

Even I have to agree to this one, if I get to choose between single pose and multiple poses of sexyness, I prefer the latter. But unfortunately, i have to enjoy whats given to me. (Can't be too picky right?)

But with sex, you want to show us something sexy. Bring that camera around 45 degrees, let us see the same thing from the side, or better yet, let us see it from Lisa's face, looking back, giving us her sexualized expression.

On this one, lets both agree, if DS ever created a whole animated scene based from this, it will be far more effective than the talk about this angle and stuff. Then again, I can't tell DS to do anything. It's his game. (lazy or not).

I can only say, if he did get more fame by doing things like this, why not learn a thing or two.
Lazyness doesn't mean you can't get more money, and not every people care about where they throw that little money (aside from supporting ongoing games).

But there's a little question to ask you. Did you feel a bit happy when his game (Big Brother) got hold (maybe abandoned)?
even tho he will create something similar in the near future?

Edit. Another thing. won't we got banned from discussing something outside the title? I mean, it's "Glamour" games discussions. Not Big Brother. haha

 

[DarthSeduction]

Even I have to agree to this one, if I get to choose between single pose and multiple poses of sexyness, I prefer the latter. But unfortunately, i have to enjoy whats given to me. (Can't be too picky right?)


On this one, lets both agree, if DS ever created a whole animated scene based from this, it will be far more effective than the talk about this angle and stuff. Then again, I can't tell DS to do anything. It's his game. (lazy or not).

I can only say, if he did get more fame by doing things like this, why not learn a thing or two.
Lazyness doesn't mean you can't get more money, and not every people care about where they throw that little money (aside from supporting ongoing games).

But there's a little question to ask you. Did you feel a bit happy when his game (Big Brother) got hold (maybe abandoned)?
even tho he will create something similar in the near future?

Edit. Another thing. won't we got banned from discussing something outside the title? I mean, it's "Glamour" games discussions. Not Big Brother. haha

It's relevant, though a tangent. While we are talking about Big Brother, it's in relation to Dark Silver's work ethic, and why Glamour isn't going to be worth our time. I think there's something to be said for showing people that they're paying a lot for something that doesn't deserve the praise. I'd be much happier to learn that his fans were supporting Milfy City, even though ICSTOR doesn't need more patrons, at least it would be a project worthy of the money.

No, I don't get joy from seeing his game forced to end. I am an Incest developer, so the politics around this are relevant to me. I wouldn't be anyways, because I don't wish harm on people, I simply believe that there are developers much more worthy of funding that go underfunded because they don't have the big name.

 

[TheVengefulOne]

So basically what this DRM does is fuck people over. I mean what if he decides to work on another game and use his servers for that game that'd be a pretty big fuck you to his patrons.

 

[d3dx666]

where are the saves now have stored namely, no desire constantly to update everything to play new

 

[grtrader]

Posting this her because an Admin said to do so.



The post was "titled turnabout is fair play".

The issue discussed in the post revolves around the behavior of a large number of authors of adult games you can find on here.
"Glamour" and "Project Sage" are two examples among many "Glamour" is probably one of the worst. I'll spare you by not listing them all. Sorry, for mentioning other games in this but that didn't seem to matter to the admin who told me to post here.

The specific issue is introduction of a female character as being rather smart based on their back story and such but from that point forward the character seems incapable of making a single smart choice. Yes, I get this isn't specific to "Glamour" but not my fault. It's sort of as if the authors have some personal issue against women.

The turnabout is fair play
How about a game where we make the MC a male character who is supposed to be smart a bit of a nerd in school unlucky with girls and well follow his attempts and abject failures to meet and get women by any means and follow is fall into depravity where he becomes a sub in a sex dungeon were the women there still won't but keep him around for amusement to abuse and his sex life consists of of being rammed by a machine while strapped down for others to watch.

or

Or we could follow the male MC around who while smart can't make a single inteligent choice to save his life. Resulting in one embarrassing seen after another of women turning him down, kicking his ass, turning him out, and so on. Think similar to Wile E Coyote chasing after the road runner

My guess most players on here wouldn't play it knowing the plot before hand.
If they assumed the MC male was going to get the girl or girls they might play.
A few might play knowing the plot purely for the humor of it.
Some of the female player might just play it to see the tables turned.
But when it comes to reviews I bet there would be a lot of complaints on that regard though when its the female you don't say squat about the issue and instead expect it.

I even took the time to put in a site feature suggestion to correct this type of issue. You can see how they reacted.
https://f95zone.to/threads/consistency-in-policy-when-it-comes-to-posts.36425/post-2372773