Benn Swagger

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I only have these criticisms, because I believe DMD can be better and want it to be better and don't believe that chucking more money at it is the solution.
You're like my grandfather who always mock me in my youth when watching superman.
He said like this "You're a smart kid, but how come you want to be deceived by story like this ? No man can fly, this is fabrication and you're being brainwash. Watch something else."
My reaction is ...
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@dartis You're sound like my granddad, not able to accept the concept of fantasy/fiction. Just chillax bro ... it's a fantasy sex theme, nearly all of it are bullshit story/characters.
 

HaloGrl

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oh no, please no, replay BB NOOOO!, i'm going to replay DmD right now.
I just finished playing BB last Friday and I could not even imagine having to go through all that again. I would go nuts. Thank goodness for saves!;)
I can understand how everyone doesn't want to play all over again. Since I JUST picked up the game I am lucky, in that, I get to see the game in it's (semi) finished state. For me, this was my first play through so, I may have enjoyed the play through more than most people having to wait month after month for a small portion of the story. I envy your restraint.:eek:penedeyewink:
 

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Thanks for the link, but it doesn't answer any of my questions or worries for the future of dating my daughter. We are, mostly, in the same position at the end of chapter one as we were at the start. A link to a post that tells me about the 0.14 update and tells me not to worry about my saves, doesn't give me any answers or soften my criticisms.

If Chapter 2 is to be good, something needs to be resolved, our characters need to grow as a result of that resolution and they need to have scenes that believably deepens their relationship. Basically, everything that wasn't in chapter 1. Because, the Father is still an passive agent in his own story and Daughter is still naive and that's why anyone could easily start from chapter two and not miss a thing.

Elena might actually be the only one who was shown development as a character, as we saw her take an active role in the relationship and it was revealed that she has parent issues that drives her actions. Even then, what we saw of her wasn't enough.
V 0.14 was basically about fixing plot holes and no story progression. Story progression is supposed to happen on November when Chapter-2 starts.
 

Freki

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Actually, I'd argue that episode four is very, very necessary. Luke wants change, is rewarded, pays for that reward and becomes a better person as he learns from the experience. The villains are, for the first time in the lore of the story, humbled. Plus, the force, jedi, sith, all that came from exposition. The bread and butter of any story worth telling.

Not unsurprisingly, this little porn game does not stand up to one of the movie greats that started a trilogy that revolutionised the sci-fi genre. I do understand that you're tired of criticism for a game you like, but that game is now finished. A complete whole package. Of course I'm going to discuss how I felt about it, this is the dating my daughter discussion thread.
did I say I was tired? no I said discourse is welcome the part I am tired is the "this dev is MILKING this" every update it comes out. there is no foundation but their want for it to be that way. this is what I'm talking about and not what you are saying. You have sound reasoning. but let me put episode 5 in a different light. you see a bunch of rebels that have come together... you have the farm boy, that is the hero of the rebellion (commander at such a young age...) the smuggler who has a price on his head, and a princess that is leading the rebellion. what happens here is the baddies are going to attack them and the rebels escape, the farm boy goes off to train and the jedi and sith are then introduced there as yoda trains luke. han is keeping the princess safe.... but you do not NEED episode 4 to even understand episode 5. same with episode 6. each story has a beginning, middle and end. they explain what is needed for the story of that. take the Sword of Shannara series. there are a great many people that did not know anything about that series because it's been so long since it's been in the lime light. Yet the tv show took up the Elfstones of Shannara and not the Sword of Shannara yet it was perfectly fine. till we see what chapter 2 contains we have no idea how much episode 1 matters.
 
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did I say I was tired? no I said discourse is welcome the part I am tired is the "this dev is MILKING this" every update it comes out. there is no foundation but their want for it to be that way. this is what I'm talking about and not what you are saying. You have sound reasoning. but let me put episode 5 in a different light. you see a bunch of rebels that have come together... you have the farm boy, that is the hero of the rebellion (commander at such a young age...) the smuggler who has a price on his head, and a princess that is leading the rebellion. what happens here is the baddies are going to attack them and the rebels escape, the farm boy goes off to train and the jedi and sith are then introduced there as yoda trains luke. han is keeping the princess safe.... but you do not NEED episode 4 to even understand episode 5. same with episode 6. each story has a beginning, middle and end. they explain what is needed for the story of that. take the Sword of Shannara series. there are a great many people that did not know anything about that series because it's been so long since it's been in the lime light. Yet the tv show took up the Elfstones of Shannara and not the Sword of Shannara yet it was perfectly fine. till we see what chapter 2 contains we have no idea how much episode 1 matters.
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dartis

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did I say I was tired? no I said discourse is welcome the part I am tired is the "this dev is MILKING this" every update it comes out. there is no foundation but their want for it to be that way. this is what I'm talking about and not what you are saying. You have sound reasoning. but let me put episode 5 in a different light. you see a bunch of rebels that have come together... you have the farm boy, that is the hero of the rebellion (commander at such a young age...) the smuggler who has a price on his head, and a princess that is leading the rebellion. what happens here is the baddies are going to attack them and the rebels escape, the farm boy goes off to train and the jedi and sith are then introduced there as yoda trains luke. han is keeping the princess safe.... but you do not NEED episode 4 to even understand episode 5. same with episode 6. each story has a beginning, middle and end. they explain what is needed for the story of that. take the Sword of Shannara series. there are a great many people that did not know anything about that series because it's been so long since it's been in the lime light. Yet the tv show took up the Elfstones of Shannara and not the Sword of Shannara yet it was perfectly fine. till we see what chapter 2 contains we have no idea how much episode 1 matters.
I never accused Mr. Dots of milking. I'm stating that DMD is flawed and could be better. I've even given some pointers as to how it could be better. I'm starting to get the feeling that your comments along with @Benn82 are very much a knee-jerk reaction and that you are applying emotion to logic.

Also, DMD is not as good as Star Wars. You couldn't even make DMD as good as star wars if you twisted the fabric of reality.
 

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Wait, did I get this right?
No content update this version?
And I have to replay the whole thing if I want to play the next version?
Sucks.
 

Freki

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I never accused Mr. Dots of milking. I'm stating that DMD is flawed and could be better. I've even given some pointers as to how it could be better. I'm starting to get the feeling that your comments along with @Benn82 are very much a knee-jerk reaction and that you are applying emotion to logic.

Also, DMD is not as good as Star Wars. You couldn't even make DMD as good as star wars if you twisted the fabric of reality.
1) I never said you even thought dots was milking. I clarified what you thought I said I did not like critisism on DMD I accept well thought out arguments like yours and will debate.
2) I never said DMD was as good as star wars or shannara.... or dune or anything of that stature. I am using them as points to counter your thought that DMD chapter one has nothing to give to the series what so ever. I agree with you chapter 2 could be started right away without any information from chapter 1, but you are left wondering a bit about what happened.
3) I am not knee-jerk reacting what so ever. you put out a point and I countered with examples of how my point is correct.

If you want to see a movie series that the movies have very little bearing on the later movies look to star trek. first movie in 79, blamo done. second movie in 82, blamo done (don't even need to see space seed, the episode it was a sequel to), trek 3 don't need 2... just have to find out what is going on by watching the movie. an so on. any episodic series of shows, movies, games etc do not need the previous ones... another series that you don't need it: mass effect, but the first one has things that you don't see answered till the 3rd.

you are the one inventing conflict where there is none. you seem to want me to yell at you (which I have not done). so I am done you think what you will, your opinion in the matter to me is moot since I disagree with your premise and arguments 100% (other than that you have only given constructive criticism through out this when talking of DMD only. you however have attacked my viewpoint without the respect I gave you so you no longer deserve my respect). enjoy your game as you wish it I am done with this conversation.
 
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Wait, did I get this right?
No content update this version?
And I have to replay the whole thing if I want to play the next version?
Sucks.
At the end of chapter 1 you will gain a password (or something like that, not expert about coding) that will grant you the possibility of keeping track of your points and your choices (e.g. did you have sex with Georgina? what did you win at the cupid night? did Elena and D showered together? etc) in chapter 2. Don't worry about this!
Where is it stated that anyone HAS TO replay anything to be able to play chapter 2 (when it's out)? Please, read description before making statements... Jeez! I'm sure there would be many uploaded playthroughs from people that actually enjoy the game, for you to use.
 

Aitan_3

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So, now that Chapter one is finished and the plot holes are supposedly filled in, I'd like to ask what the point of chapter one was. Sure, we met Daughter, grew closer, became "lovers" and then Daughter and side content (Elena) got taken away. But, what was resolved in this chapter?

Because, as it stands, you could jump into chapter 2 and not really miss a thing. The story could easily be, I love my daughter and I'm going to get her back. We don't need to see Chapter 1 to understand that. We haven't really had a strong connection between F and D. They've just been mostly bumming about on holiday. The hospital scene, after F gets punched, probably remains as the one genuine moment that connects the two characters.

Every chapter of a story is meant to resolve something, bringing us closer to an inevitable end. Yet, it feels like we got more problems without solving any old ones; presumably Lucas isn't going to be a problem in Europe. But, that's not a resolution to the threat he posed, that's just forgetting he's there. It's the RWBY style of story-telling, create more problems and make them bigger; so that your audience forgets about the old problems. Now, I don't think dating my daughter is as bad as RWBY (I don't hate characters I'm supposed to like, in DMD). But, I do feel that Chapter one has been a huge waste of time.

Will I still continue DMD? Of course, because humans are magpies and plot intrigue is something shiny. But, intrigue isn't development and that's going to hit very hard if the following chapters are anything like this one.
As one of the writers of the game, my answer is: the main "plot point" of chapter 1 was to make the MCs fall in love with each other in a "believable" way - not so simple in an incest story. There might have been a bit of cunning from F especially at the beginning (something quite common in any legit seduction game I guess), but on the whole, I take some pride in the fact that everything has been consensual and respectful, immersed in a sweet caring atmosphere, and yet still sexy and naughty when the erotic tension arose. If FALLING IN LOVE (not to mention, passing from awkward hugging to horny mutual masturbation) is not a big step towards the completion of the story, I don't know what it is.

As for the fact that there is "no strong connection between F and D", I don't know what game you've played. I am genuinely taken aback by such a statement. Th game is stacked with bonfing moments: the Cupid Game when D tell F that she loves him... like, really... and kisses him...and it feels somewhat different; the nudist beach scene, when D hides behind F's back while confronting Koko; the fight with Lucas...! Really, the "selling point" of DMD as a whole, what makes it stand out ion comparison to other games, is precisely the strong connection between the MCs - that's something the fans tend to agree on. So, building that connection was another objective of this first chapter, and I'm surprised you didn't feel it. It might happen, sure, everybody "clicks" differently, but please be aware that you are definetely in a minority on this specific issue.

So, I have tackled the "plot developments" issue. As for characters' development, well, to start with, we get introduced to a lot of minor characters: Elena, Georgina, Jennifer, Richard, Lucas, Martin, Olivia, Graham, Koko, Riccardo, Margo, Rachel etc. Some of them were not "deepened" as we would have liked - didn't have time - but still, some others got a decent characterization while still keeping the sportlight on the MCs - again, no easy feat, given that many people got terribly angry as soon as D lost the tiniest bit of focus ("the game is titled dating my daughter, not dating my daughter's friend or dating my secretary"). Now we have a crowded cast of differently motivated character to play with, introducing them little by little was an objective of this first chapter.

As for the MCs, well the father can't really be developed that much, since it is supposed to stand for the player and cannot become too "specific" without losing its potential for identification. Also, he is already in his late 30s/early 40s, his potential for growth is not that much. We tried to depict his doubts about falling in love with his own daughter, how he eventually overcame them, his concerns about "raising" her at the best of his possibilities, and his guilt over cheating on her. Not much, I agree, but again, "fleshing" him was never the mainj point.

D is a different discourse though. You say you didn't notice her growth as a character, well I am very sad about that. We tried to depict how she got more and more confident throughout the game. The scene where she speaks with Rachel on Skype, the scene the scene where she reassures dad during a pause in the photo shoot with Richard (demonstrating to be more mature than him, still too jealous!), all her "alcohol aprrenticeship", her coming to terms with her body image, all these things stand for her growth and strenthening as a character. The arriving point of this process is fittingly the (almost) final scene of the chapter, when she has her very first orgasm. I think it is a defining moment: up until now, D was mostly "passive" in sexual matters because, well, she didn't really appreciate what was at stake. XD Now, she will be much more proactive, and enthusiast about discovering herself and her relationship with F. It seems to me a momentous event, and a worthy climax (wink wink) for D's character growth.

So, did we resolve something in ch.1? Sure, we had the MCs fall in love and decide to find a way to live together. We had a "final boss" (Lucas) defeated (actually a minion, the real obstacles are yet to come as you correcty said). And we had a general transormation of the character that gives the title to the game. So no, ch.1 was not useless, EVEN THOUGH when we decided to split the game into different chapters, we did think that it would have been a good thing if someone discovering the game for the first time could have started playing chapter 2 without feeling completely lost.

The way I see it, chapter 1 was about setting the general tone of the game, introducing the characters, and giving them something to fight for - their budding love; chapter 2 will be the "conflict chapter" where the MCs will have to really earn their happiness, afinding a way to live their love; and chapter 3 will be the "sandbox chapter" where players will have to decide which kind of "happy ever after" they want for this story. Many things are still to be decided, and I am only one of the writers (plus I won't collaborate to chapter 2 much), so don't take what I'm saying as definitve (especially about the chapter 3), but this is my general understaning of the DMD project. We'll see how it goes.
 

Freki

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Wait, did I get this right?
No content update this version?
And I have to replay the whole thing if I want to play the next version?
Sucks.
1) there is new content on previous days.
2) there have been various render fixes
3) there have been various script re-dos
4) there is now a separate and all new image reward system
5) there are now new variables that the previous saves will not have, and if you want your own play through to continue without assumptions in chapter 2 you need to do so.
6) you can use your old saves to get you into chapter 2 but as noted above some things will be assumed even if it is not what you would have done.
 

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Wait, did I get this right?
No content update this version?
And I have to replay the whole thing if I want to play the next version?
Sucks.
No you don't have to play chap 1 over if you don't want to because chap 2 will randomly chose the options for you if you don't play it.
Chap 2 will play a random game instead of one you worked on is all.

If you like Elena then you will also miss screwing her if you do not replay chap 1.
See there is new content.
 
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Bryan_Colt

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I'll just watch the CG's and play other games like Milf's Villa and Incest Story 2 at least there the characters do what they were intended to do in a sex game.
 

Freki

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I'll just watch the CG's and play other games like Milf's Villa and Incest Story 2 at least there the characters do what they were intended to do in a sex game.
hmmm let me see character development and understanding versus just walk around and fuck anyone you want... meh i don't see DMD as a sex game.... I give more props to someone with story than someone that just throws out sex... that's why i'm not so fond of BangBros.. commercial porn.....
 

Bryan_Colt

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Last game i played for the story was Final Fantasy X, and XIII, XIII-2, and Lightning Returns, and more but those did not have sex in them too bad though.
Yep some players are after just the sex and others like me are after the story more than the sex and this is a great story.
 
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I understand why people are pissed and I also understand the choices made by the creator - but what irritates me is the fact that he already knew long before the site policy changed, that he couldn't keep his promise regarding the implementation of the other paths. It doesn't take a rocket science to realize that you do not have enough time.

At that time he should have made the decision to inform his user base, that he was going to focus solely on fixing the base game, rather than doing the paths. By withholding that information he basically made us look like fools and it totally made me lose faith and all respect I had for him. If the next update doesn't deliver then I am out. I will cut off my 20$ donations and never look back.

On a side note: I had such high hopes for fucking Elena the first time, but the entire scene felt rushed and totally unrealistic with all the unnecessary vulgar language. WTF team?
 
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