Archived Big Brother: Does this game grind your gears? (poll)

[Bass_Legend]

I have multiple complaints

1) The start of the game is very triggering. You are apparently an adult, yet this male you know for 5 minutes comes into your home as a guest, sits at your dinner table and literally says you look like you cant fight. You look weak, need to hit the gym. Military camp will straighten you out.

How did PC not say "Okay would you like to fight?" Or a more keep the peace route, "You think I cant fight eh? Would you like to box in the front yard or something?" That shows you are not scared of him, shows you WILL stand up for yourself, shows your not going to take shit, and it shows you are not going to let yourself be afraid of getting your ass whooped. Which says a ton about your character as a male.

If someone said you look like you cant fight at a gas station or something, you would have a reasonable option of saying fuck off and walking away. But in your own home at your own dinner table and you dont fight this guy? Yeah that is terrible.

2) How do adults allow spankings like that? Seriously all he had to do was say its not happening. Some weird fetish pandering (bigtime) going on here.

3) Authority stat comes from being a beta ass snitch. Causing your sister to make bad grades or framing your other sister for having a smoke. This somehow makes your sisters respect you? Because they get spanked naked by mom? Capturing spiders and putting them in your sisters bed so you can see her tits or something??? Ugh this game encourages the weakest characteristics. Its hardly a choice based game when you are locked into playing a beta personality.

4) Game is grindy as fuck. Go ahead and plug in cheat codes, max out everything and get infinite money. You will still have to a wait a week at some points to experience story arc progress. You can either do the repeatable scenes for no reason or completely fuck immersion and spam wait. Yet its still habbit forming enough to seriously make you binge for meager CG scene oasis's. You will spend all day for a few hours of actual content, unsure if the content is even available, if your run is bugged, or if your just missing something obvious. And have fun digging through that mess of a walkthrough.

5) No aunt kira repeatables except for the new to the relationship ones in the living room. Seriously why cant you bang her when they all go shopping?

6) Your mother cannot force you to go to military camp. You are 18. Any threats of kicking you out can be met with... umm I have squatters rights, you need a court order. I am an adult. After she gets a judge to sign off on (Which she has to go far the fuck out of the way and not just make idle threats), you then get a 3 week notice to be evicted.

And seriously... you are helping around the house, being supportive, contributing to the bills. Is this mother REALLY going to get a court ordered eviction notice to get you out of the house? No she is not. Do you know how terrible that would be, exiling your son to take refuge in a homeless shelter over nothing??

If I was max though, I would be getting a job instead of pimping my family out on the internet without their consent, and paying some bills over the table. Like seriously wtf does he do all day? Sit on his ass and fap to his family.... Get a job.

 

[Bass_Legend]

As for him not punching Eric, he's actually smart not to do it.

Look, you know eric for 5 minutes and hes in your home at your dinner table sizing you up in front of your family. "You look like you cant fight" "Military school will straighten you out."

From a fresh eyes playthrough, I had no issues with eric up until that point, was supportive of their relationship, was happy for mom, and he pulls that shit? No way.

The middle ground was at least to call that out and say "You think I cant fight? How about a round of boxing?"
Nothing damning about that statement just men being men and shows eric your at least not taking his shit lying down, if your not willing to just punch him right there.

 

[239anonaround]

Plus, I'm sure it's been said, but the whole Eric thing is terribly, terribly the fuck written. I can deal with competition, I can deal with there being a bad end or whatever. I hate it, but I can even deal with cuckold crap if it was my fault. But it's all just railroaded in the dumbest way. Everyone has cellphones, it's the modern day. Literally, why the fuck does Max not just go in with his phone on record in his pocket and go "Hey, tell me again how you're going to fuck my sisters" and get it all on tape? Eric's happy to talk about it at length, so why the fuck do we have to deal with this shitty plotline and the Mom being all sad once the piece of shit's gone even with evidence? Awfully written.

And that point he made about waiting is so true. The RNG is ridiculous, certain things don't necessarily need to happen every time, but a 1% chance in this style of game is no fun. You can waste a day on the game and get nothing for it because of how grindy it is. I really love the content but it's become real hard for me to justify trying it anymore.

 

[Eucalyptuz]

Yeah this game really rubbed me the wrong way. It's way too grindy, and always for little to no reward. Also I absolutely agree with your point 5) and 6) here, it's ridiculous. Maybe if it was more like Dreams of Desire in that regards.. That's a bit harsh to say because I think generally all games should look to do something new and refreshing but this didn't work for me.

But of course the game looks nice, and has A LOT of content which is usually more than we get for every other game we see here.

 

[Kellan]

Most has already been said by others in this thread so il just say that if this game didnt have nice looking renders it wouldnt be as popular as it is and would be flushed down the toilet like the steaming pile of shit it is.

 

[HelpfulSunglasses]

I have multiple complaints

1) The start of the game is very triggering. You are apparently an adult, yet this male you know for 5 minutes comes into your home as a guest, sits at your dinner table and literally says you look like you cant fight. You look weak, need to hit the gym. Military camp will straighten you out.

Take about 10 years off everyone's age and it makes sense, it's just the usual "these people acting like children are totally 18, honest." that everyone does to get around various laws/website rules.

It is grindy as fuck though, even with money + mood cheats it takes ages.

The thing that gets me is you really need either a walkthrough or reverse the script yourself in order to get the vast majority of content. The gates are arbitrary, not well hinted in the game itself and too many are behind random events people might not see - how many times do you need to watch the same h-scene before the RNG pops the variant that unlocks more content? The scene should change at least somewhat so you know you're advancing.

 

[Bass_Legend]

Take about 10 years off everyone's age and it makes sense, it's just the usual "these people acting like children are totally 18, honest." that everyone does to get around various laws/website rules.

It is grindy as fuck though, even with money + mood cheats it takes ages.

The thing that gets me is you really need either a walkthrough or reverse the script yourself in order to get the vast majority of content. The gates are arbitrary, not well hinted in the game itself and too many are behind random events people might not see - how many times do you need to watch the same h-scene before the RNG pops the variant that unlocks more content? The scene should change at least somewhat so you know you're advancing.

I had that thought honestly. But there is a world of difference in story content and immersion when the character is 18 and acts like he is 13, and when a character is 13. It is ridiculous that we live in a witch hunt society where you cant even produce animated content, where no children were harmed in the making or consumption of the content, yet you can be charged with the same sex crimes as someone who actually molested real living children. That is worlds of fucked up but of course nobody actually gives a shit about justice and fairness because fuck anyone who would even think about viewing said content for any reason.

So basically I wouldnt mind on a personal level that a story like BB exists where the character is 13. I do mind when he it is stated he is 18 but the authors intent is to write about a 13 year old... No, the stated age in a fiction is important and I cannot for immersive reasons just assume the author wants me to pretend the MC is 13 instead of 18.

A strong argument against this for BB is that entering the porn industry is a main theme. Something which you cannot do and get paid for as anyone under the age of 18. So if the story really is intended to be about a 13ish year old, then why is a main theme entering into said industry?

Not to mention your sister becomes a webcam girl. So the older sister has to be at least 18, because you cannot become a webcam girl before then.

 

[Twistty]

I stopped playing this a long time ago, but I 'll chime in that I agree with a lot of the prior posts. The renders of the women are beautiful, but the grind and cucking/NTR story were too brutal for me. I couldn't stomach it so I had to stop.

Yup - same here!!

 

[♩♪♫ ŤЦ尺尺ØЛ ♫♪♩]

I have multiple complaints

1) The start of the game is very triggering. You are apparently an adult, yet this male you know for 5 minutes comes into your home as a guest, sits at your dinner table and literally says you look like you cant fight. You look weak, need to hit the gym. Military camp will straighten you out.

How did PC not say "Okay would you like to fight?" Or a more keep the peace route, "You think I cant fight eh? Would you like to box in the front yard or something?" That shows you are not scared of him, shows you WILL stand up for yourself, shows your not going to take shit, and it shows you are not going to let yourself be afraid of getting your ass whooped. Which says a ton about your character as a male.

If someone said you look like you cant fight at a gas station or something, you would have a reasonable option of saying fuck off and walking away. But in your own home at your own dinner table and you dont fight this guy? Yeah that is terrible.

2) How do adults allow spankings like that? Seriously all he had to do was say its not happening. Some weird fetish pandering (bigtime) going on here.

3) Authority stat comes from being a beta ass snitch. Causing your sister to make bad grades or framing your other sister for having a smoke. This somehow makes your sisters respect you? Because they get spanked naked by mom? Capturing spiders and putting them in your sisters bed so you can see her tits or something??? Ugh this game encourages the weakest characteristics. Its hardly a choice based game when you are locked into playing a beta personality.

4) Game is grindy as fuck. Go ahead and plug in cheat codes, max out everything and get infinite money. You will still have to a wait a week at some points to experience story arc progress. You can either do the repeatable scenes for no reason or completely fuck immersion and spam wait. Yet its still habbit forming enough to seriously make you binge for meager CG scene oasis's. You will spend all day for a few hours of actual content, unsure if the content is even available, if your run is bugged, or if your just missing something obvious. And have fun digging through that mess of a walkthrough.

5) No aunt kira repeatables except for the new to the relationship ones in the living room. Seriously why cant you bang her when they all go shopping?

6) Your mother cannot force you to go to military camp. You are 18. Any threats of kicking you out can be met with... umm I have squatters rights, you need a court order. I am an adult. After she gets a judge to sign off on (Which she has to go far the fuck out of the way and not just make idle threats), you then get a 3 week notice to be evicted.

And seriously... you are helping around the house, being supportive, contributing to the bills. Is this mother REALLY going to get a court ordered eviction notice to get you out of the house? No she is not. Do you know how terrible that would be, exiling your son to take refuge in a homeless shelter over nothing??

If I was max though, I would be getting a job instead of pimping my family out on the internet without their consent, and paying some bills over the table. Like seriously wtf does he do all day? Sit on his ass and fap to his family.... Get a job.

I'm with you especially 5) and 6)......also why no option to do something about my cheated mone---I mean HARD EARNED cash to splurge on things I want...A CAR maybe to go to places other than the HOUSE---to bang kira in private (maybe) or date anybody or sex anybody without an audience (if they like that shit).:FeelsGoodMan: and how about a maid heck a few dozen maids IT IS A BIG DAMN HOUSE.:tf:

 

[Bass_Legend]

I'm with you especially 5) and 6)......also why no option to do something about my cheated mone---I mean HARD EARNED cash to splurge on things I want...A CAR maybe to go to places other than the HOUSE---to bang kira in private (maybe) or date anybody or sex anybody without an audience (if they like that shit).:FeelsGoodMan: and how about a maid heck a few dozen maids IT IS A BIG DAMN HOUSE.:tf:

You cant forget that its a solo developer and games like this require a ton of work each update. All those sound like great things, especially the aunt kira private encounters, but its most certainly not a priority. Unfortunately the core of the game is rotten, DS by all means deserves every ounce of criticisms he gets.

As a sidenote one of Max's great redeeming qualities is how unselfish he is with his money (allbeit gotten from messed up means). Even though we are shoehorned into it for progression, there is something admirable about spending thousands of dollars on crap for his sisters and reflects his feelings imo.

 

[danger_mouse]

Ya the bribing isn't too much of a concern, but it would be nicer if there was more actual seduction/romance. Especially for Lisa. It sucks that they don't every really warm up to him throughout the game.

 

[megadork]

You cant forget that its a solo developer and games like this require a ton of work each update. All those sound like great things, especially the aunt kira private encounters, but its most certainly not a priority. Unfortunately the core of the game is rotten, DS by all means deserves every ounce of criticisms he gets.

I think this sums up the game the best....

 

[SteelyDan14]

Like a lot of others who have posted, I liked the game initially. I think it is pretty good up until you beat Eric to the punch and buy the bathing suite and nightclub dress; and the intro to Kira and her "seduction" was pretty good, but Eric was just kind of a bust. There was not really any conflict; you were just "fighting" his influence. Once you got that under control, he was just kind of not there. After that, the game just becomes a grind. It's too bad because there are a lot of really great aspects to it.

 

[katmandomo]

The grind is a major an issue, especially if you aren't cheating cash. It amounts to clicking through the same H scenes hundreds or thousands of times (and not all count, so you need to read the developers mind and figure out how the economy works). You will be sick to death of plugging your hot little sister in her prim asshole, and that's bad. In the end stuff will be gated behind a full week or two of clicking "next". Having major story branches blocked off permanently from choices you make early in the game is especially galling in a game with this level of grind. A lot of the percentages are just way too low too, exacerbating the grind. It requires a near miracle to get the blackmail photo of Eric, especially since the game is set up to prevent savescumming (reload a scene and it will always roll the same). Some scenes require you to pass multiple skill rolls in a row, making the odds of success very small even if each individual check ins't that bad.

I didn't mind so much that Eric didn't immediately jump up to fight a guy a foot taller and 75lbs heavier. Best case scenario is that Max gets laid out on his ass and his family finally realizes that he's an asshole, but given how much the mom is seduced right from the start that's not happening. What I didn't like is that there isn't an option to convince your mom to just dump him because he's an asshole. Not that Max has any authority in this area.

A better written game might have made him more sympathetic so you would be really stuck.

Another somewhat offputting but kind of understandable limitation is that scenes don't evolve with your relationships. So a scene that unlocks early and gives you maybe a peek of boob and your sister being all coy and pushing you away. Fine, but later in the game she's giving you blowjobs three times a day and you're buttfucking her on top of that and the exact same scene still plays.

The worst part is that the bones of the game are good, the art is excellent and there is a lot of content. The story is a bit "porn movie" in places, but that's pretty much a given in these kinds of games. Sure, yeah, mom is going to let her teenage son spank his naked sister in front of the family, that would definitely happen in the real world... A lot of this could have been fixed with simple number tweaks here and there and maybe adding a few extra branches to some of the scenes so they don't always play out in exactly the same way. I'm really bummed that the developer dropped the game when Paetron applied the banhammer to incest themed projects, but I guess can't blame him.

 

[fulcrum]

1) The start of the game is very triggering. You are apparently an adult, yet this male you know for 5 minutes comes into your home as a guest, sits at your dinner table and literally says you look like you cant fight. You look weak, need to hit the gym. Military camp will straighten you out.

2) How do adults allow spankings like that? Seriously all he had to do was say its not happening. Some weird fetish pandering (bigtime) going on here.

6) Your mother cannot force you to go to military camp. You are 18.
If I was max though, I would be getting a job instead of pimping my family out on the internet without their consent, and paying some bills over the table. Like seriously wtf does he do all day? Sit on his ass and fap to his family.... Get a job.

From the general dialog between mom, evic and aunt I'd say max is supposed to be 13 at max but his and lil sis' age was changed for reasons. no fucking way adult people can be this oblivious unless they're oversheltered, but the world would eat them up sock and shoe at that point.

 

[katmandomo]

The complaints about how Max is "too beta" are even worse as I think about it.

"Hey son, I've found a new man who might be your new father!"
"Fuck you!! I'm gonna fight you! My mother's body is mine, as are my sister's! I'm going to fuck all of them after I punch you out!"

Of all of the complaints you can make about this game, this really isn't one of them.

 

[239anonaround]

The complaints about how Max is "too beta" are even worse as I think about it.

"Hey son, I've found a new man who might be your new father!"
"Fuck you!! I'm gonna fight you! My mother's body is mine, as are my sister's! I'm going to fuck all of them after I punch you out!"

Of all of the complaints you can make about this game, this really isn't one of them.

I like how you jump to the first encounter and not Max pussying out and getting fucked over and nobody believing him after Eric straight up says "I am an awful person and am going to manipulate and fuck every single one of these women and nobody will believe you".

 

[katmandomo]

To be fair, Eric is right. The girls all think Max is a creepy perv that wants to jump their bones and will do anything to get him out of the way.

Alice should know better, but I think her thought process is that at least Eric has a job and isn't her brother (gross).

 

[Bass_Legend]

The complaints about how Max is "too beta" are even worse as I think about it.

"Hey son, I've found a new man who might be your new father!"
"Fuck you!! I'm gonna fight you! My mother's body is mine, as are my sister's! I'm going to fuck all of them after I punch you out!"

Of all of the complaints you can make about this game, this really isn't one of them.

During erics second dinner with the family eric is sizing max up. "You look weak", "do you even lift", "I bet you cant fight", "Military school would straighten you out".

Any self respecting man would not put up with that in his own home. He knows eric for about 5 minutes and eric is calling max out. If I was in maxes shoes, I would have challenged eric to a boxing match or something in the yard. "You think I cant fight? Would you like to box in the yard?" Thats about as calm as I could be when a dude I know for 5 minutes is talking shit and putting me down in my own damn house.

Max let eric walk all over him and was a pushover. For a choice based game, this is terrible storytelling. If you want to play as a beta it should be an option. Its a main theme of the story though.

It just gets worse and gos downhill from here. But it is a valid point.

 

[Bass_Legend]

From the general dialog between mom, evic and aunt I'd say max is supposed to be 13 at max but his and lil sis' age was changed for reasons. no fucking way adult people can be this oblivious unless they're oversheltered, but the world would eat them up sock and shoe at that point.

Well max is a legal adult according to the story. There are legal adults who act like max in the world. Its a completely different story if max is 13 and honestly makes a bit more sense besides the porn gig. That either needs to be stated or at least along the lines of "Characters ages are unstated use your imagination".

For story telling I cant just pretend max is 13. Plus the minor angle doesnt make any sense with the legal porn job stuff.