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It is very naive to think that Valve will really continue to allow adult games in case of controversies (which could cause millionaire losses with lawsuits).
No more naive than it is to trust an anonymous service making use of cryptocurrency transactions only, not to mention that their advertisers will continue to fund your project in the first place.

If someone commits a crime using a knife, should we boycott or criminalize the company that made that knife? If there are criminals using cryptocurrencies to fund criminal activity, it is not cryptocurrencies's fault. Even before this technology began to exist, criminal activities were already (and still are) funded using conventional money.
What if the criminal is anonymous ads themselves? It would make a lot more sense as to why they've chosen to maintain their anonymity. How do you know for sure that anonymous ads isn't funding terror organizations? How do you know that anonymous ads isn't financing a human trafficking ring? You don't, because they're completely anonymous and you can't trace them, their spending habits, their legal cases, anything.

Furthermore, using an example from Anne's post, tumblr is a service that was forced to remove porn in its entirety if they wanted to continue being hosted on Apple Store, because tumblr couldn't stop users from coming in with **********. That is to say, that tumblr was held responsible for their inability to stop other people from using their service to commit a crime and forced to change that if they wanted to do legitimate business.

Similarly, much of the porn purge push from Paypal, Reddit, and other places in the last year have actually been because the law now holds accountable any service that might be used by people promoting sex work. As a result Reddit purged all subreddits that dealt with anything close to prostitution. A lot of camwhores were purged from many different funding platforms, as well as Paypal. Again, I bring up the possibility that A-Ads is used to promote human trafficking. Why? The law that resulted in the afformentioned purges was ostensibly to stop human trafficking. The problem with it is, by forcing it underground and out of reputable places, all it does is create a more dangerous situation for these girls in the first place. Now they're more likely to be forced into human trafficking, and what if the dark web site that they're being human trafficked on is funded by A-Ads? You don't and can't ever know because you can't research them because they're anonymous.

Again, this is your opinion, not the absolute truth. Even though most users boycott the game because of the ad, there will certainly be people who, if they are interested in the project, are going to play, even if it's offline, without any whining.
If it is offline you get no revenue. Considering the fact that just adding analytics got people to freak out when I worked on a unity game in the past, no, there's not going to be a significant enough number of people for this to be a viable option.

If you are too young to be able to use one of the dozens of debit cards that can be loaded using bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies, it may be best to ask for help from an adult.
Ah, devolving to insults now? Anne's probably older than you, I've spoken with him on many occasions throughout this site, sometimes wherein certain personal info has been shared, and can say for certain he's older than me.
 
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No more naive than it is to trust an anonymous service making use of cryptocurrency transactions only (...)
Being a cryptocurrency enthusiast, I don't see any problem in this, especially when the service has a good track record.

What if the criminal is anonymous ads themselves? It would make a lot more sense as to why they've chosen to maintain their anonymity. How do you know for sure that anonymous ads isn't funding terror organizations? How do you know that anonymous ads isn't financing a human trafficking ring? You don't, because they're completely anonymous and you can't trace them, their spending habits, their legal cases, anything.

Furthermore, using an example from Anne's post, tumblr is a service that was forced to remove porn in its entirety if they wanted to continue being hosted on Apple Store, because tumblr couldn't stop users from coming in with **********. That is to say, that tumblr was held responsible for their inability to stop other people from using their service to commit a crime and forced to change that if they wanted to do legitimate business.

Similarly, much of the porn purge push from Paypal, Reddit, and other places in the last year have actually been because the law now holds accountable any service that might be used by people promoting sex work. As a result Reddit purged all subreddits that dealt with anything close to prostitution. A lot of camwhores were purged from many different funding platforms, as well as Paypal. Again, I bring up the possibility that A-Ads is used to promote human trafficking. Why? The law that resulted in the afformentioned purges was ostensibly to stop human trafficking. The problem with it is, by forcing it underground and out of reputable places, all it does is create a more dangerous situation for these girls in the first place. Now they're more likely to be forced into human trafficking, and what if the dark web site that they're being human trafficked on is funded by A-Ads? You don't and can't ever know because you can't research them because they're anonymous.
You're just making an empty accusation, without any evidence, just to try to say that all anonymity is used to commit crime, which is not true.

If it is offline you get no revenue. Considering the fact that just adding analytics got people to freak out when I worked on a unity game in the past, no, there's not going to be a significant enough number of people for this to be a viable option.
You talk as if all the developers are successful using Patreon. Yourself, for example, only have 13 patrons and earn about $60 a month. Unfortunately, most people have no interest in supporting developers, they just want high quality content for free.

In a scenario like this, it is much easier for users to agree to see an ad banner, to support game development, than to pay a certain amount of value to the developer on a monthly basis.

Ah, devolving to insults now? Anne's probably older than you, I've spoken with him on many occasions throughout this site, sometimes wherein certain personal info has been shared, and can say for certain he's older than me.
A simple joke is an insult now? This seems more of an insult to me:

Be assured that you don't sound rude. Perhaps a little stupid and hypocritical, but not rude. (...)
I am in favor of unrestricted freedom of speech, but I have no interest in offending anyone. If you or anyone else here felt deeply offended by a silly joke, who has no offensive words, I apologize.
 

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You're just making an empty accusation, without any evidence, just to try to say that all anonymity is used to commit crime, which is not true.
Point to the line in those 3 paragraphs where I said, outright, that they were doing so. I said, because of their anonymity, I have no way of knowing they aren't. A while back I made a comment about Nestle, but before we get into it, understand, I don't think there's such a thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, but if I can keep my money from going to support outright child slavery and infant deaths, I well. Nestle, because they are a public entity, I can see buys chocolate from African farms on which child slavery is common. I also know, because nestle is a public entity, that they've led aggressive campaigns paying doctors and nurses to promote baby formula over breast milk in third world countries. The problem being that the water quality in those countries is so extremely low that the babies are dying from that formula, and because they've not been breast fed, they aren't getting help to form any immunizes from their mother, meaning that even if they survive the formula water, they might not survive other preventable diseases in the future.

Because Nestle is a public company, I can see their skeletons. I can't see Anonymous-Ads' skeletons, which means I cannot support them, because if a publicly traded company has that kind of over the top evil behind it, I definitely can't trust and anonymous one to be pure and good.

Being a cryptocurrency enthusiast, I don't see any problem in this, especially when the service has a good track record.
Word of mouth only. That is not a record that's hearsay.

You talk as if all the developers are successful using Patreon. Yourself, for example, only have 13 patrons and earn about $60 a month. Unfortunately, most people have no interest in supporting developers, they just want high quality content for free.
Off of one release. Seraphim academy grew 3 times it's initial release by the second.

A simple joke is an insult now? This seems more of an insult to me:
I am in favor of unrestricted freedom of speech, but I have no interest in offending anyone. If you or anyone else here felt deeply offended by a silly joke, who has no offensive words, I apologize.
Sure, out of context that is a direct insult, however in context, and given your continued inability to understand simple concepts, it's a valid observation. However, the intent of Anne's words there and the intent of your words here, are different. You attempted to discredit their validity by implying their young age made them unable to make a valid point. Anne expressed that your willful misunderstanding of his words was stupidity on your part. The difference here is that you did in fact, misinterpret Anne's words, which is in fact showing a lack of understanding, a lack of understanding is stupidity. However when you threw out your comment about age it was blind, and completely meant as mockery.
 
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Off of one release. Seraphim academy grew 3 times it's initial release by the second.
> 24 patrons / $93 per month.
> Hey guys, thanks for checking our game out, we are Trinity, a group of 3 developers who got together specifically to make this adult game.


Just like most developers, you're far from an example of success using Patreon.
 

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> 24 patrons / $93 per month.
> Hey guys, thanks for checking our game out, we are Trinity, a group of 3 developers who got together specifically to make this adult game.


Just like most developers, you're far from an example of success using Patreon.
It's only 3 releases. Do you think Dark Cookie, or Dark Silver were making what they do now in 3 releases? I'm not an example to show your point.

Babysitter now makes over 10k, they weren't making that much after their third release either. But you're never gonna make 10 thousand dollars a month from ad revenue from some anonymous ad service.
 

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If someone commits a crime using a knife, should we boycott or criminalize the company that made that knife? If there are criminals using cryptocurrencies to fund criminal activity, it is not cryptocurrencies's fault.
Do you even read what you answer to ? I explicitly said that I have nothing against cryptocurrencies, only against people misusing them.


You have authority to speak for yourself, not for others.
But you have this authority when it come to say that the reason why they "use the traditional means to receive donations" is because they are "laymen with regard to Bitcoin".


Although other people have agreed with your opinion here, you can't say with 100% certainty that everyone who develops adult games agrees with you.
Which is good, because I never said that. What I said is that they don't need to use cryptocurrencies, which is different.


As I said in a previous reply, if any user indicate another similar reliable service, I include in the guide without any problems. The more options, the better.
Well, please, add ; you haven't searched far, right ?


Again, this is your opinion, not the absolute truth. Even though most users boycott the game because of the ad, there will certainly be people who, if they are interested in the project, are going to play, even if it's offline, without any whining.
I didn't said that people will boycott your game, just that it would have proved that it's not a good way to fund the said game, which, again, is different.

There's many way to play your game without being bothered a single second by the ads you can put inside. You can edit the host table to redirect a-ads.com to localhost. You can configure your IP filter to block the connection to a-ads.com, or (mostly on Windows) to block any connection coming from the game. If you are a more advanced user you can configure the transparent proxy on your LAN to block the connection to a-ads.com, or overwrite the a-ads.com record on the DNS located on your LAN.
A boycott isn't the only reason why it's not a so good solution. The problem being that, by putting ads directly in your game, you'll impact authors putting them on their site, where nobody would have complain. You force some players to ban an ads agency from their computer, to not be bothered when they play your game, and it will also ban this agency from their computer when they'll browse the site of authors who respect their desire to not be invaded.


If you are too young to be able to use one of the dozens of debit cards that can be loaded using bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies, it may be best to ask for help from an adult.
Beep... You said that it would add no "administrative" task to the game's author. Having to load your credit card is an added "adminstrative" task.


Ah, devolving to insults now? Anne's probably older than you, I've spoken with him on many occasions throughout this site, sometimes wherein certain personal info has been shared, and can say for certain he's older than me.
It's not a secret, and not a privacy infringement to say it, I'm near to my fifties. I'm 47 years old, and be more or less since the first time I said it here more than one year ago. It's just that, during this time, I realized that I now prefer to use my official age instead of just using the nearest one ; it's something that happen suddenly when you grow older. So, I will have the longest 47 year in the history :D
Anyway I didn't really understood what he said. My youngest is, for few months only (I suddenly feel even older :rolleyes:), too young to come here and still have her own credit card since some years. So, if I'm here, I'm supposed to be old enough by default.



Being a cryptocurrency enthusiast, I don't see any problem in this, especially when the service has a good track record.
Like @DarthSeduction said, it's word of mouth only. And I'll had "anonymous" word of mouth.


You're just making an empty accusation, without any evidence, just to try to say that all anonymity is used to commit crime, which is not true.
No, he was demonstrating something. And he did it well because, if he don't have evidences that they are the criminal (what he didn't said anyway), yourself have absolutely no evidences that he's wrong.

And the whole problem is here, in these two quotes. If they haven't hidden themselves so deeply, none of this would have happened. They would have been a well known society, responsible face to the Law if needed, and nobody would have had trust issues regarding them ; or at least these trust issues wouldn't be either not provable and not revocable, both at the same time.
But no, they've chosen to be a shadow that nobody know. It lead to this situation. One can't prove that they are the bad guy in this story, and you can't prove that they aren't, nor that the good words said about them don't come directly from them. And like someone entering in a bank wearing a ski mask raise legit suspicion, despite the fact that it's perfectly legal, a society that hide itself so deep and rely only on cryptocurrency raise legit suspicion.
 
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Sure, out of context that is a direct insult, however in context, and given your continued inability to understand simple concepts, it's a valid observation. However, the intent of Anne's words there and the intent of your words here, are different. You attempted to discredit their validity by implying their young age made them unable to make a valid point. Anne expressed that your willful misunderstanding of his words was stupidity on your part. The difference here is that you did in fact, misinterpret Anne's words, which is in fact showing a lack of understanding, a lack of understanding is stupidity. However when you threw out your comment about age it was blind, and completely meant as mockery.
How convenient, my joke is a terrible insult, but calling someone stupid isn't. You and anne O'nymous are two examples of users who constantly insult people's intelligence when taking part in some discussion in this forum. Pay attention to your own behavior before you want to point your finger at someone.

My joke was had nothing to do with discrediting him because of age, it was clearly related to the fact that it is perfectly possible to use cryptocurrencies on a daily basis and that only being a child to not be able to use this type of debit card.

(...)I'm not an example to show your point. (...)
You are the perfect example that there is no guarantee of success using Patreon.

But you have this authority when it come to say that the reason why they "use the traditional means to receive donations" is because they are "laymen with regard to Bitcoin".
The vast majority of people don't know anything about cryptocurrencies. That is an undeniable fact.

To say that a monetization model does not work with adult games, without presenting any kind of statistics, is only a personal opinion and this opinion cannot be considered as absolute truth.

Well, please, add ; you haven't searched far, right ?
In order to be used in a game, the ad service must support applications in general, something that only a few ad networks do and when it does it is always aimed at the mobile market. Another important requirement is that the ad network allows applications with mature content.

Introduce me to an ad network that supports desktop and mobile apps and accepts adult content. When you or anyone else here does this I will add for sure.
 

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How convenient, my joke is a terrible insult, but calling someone stupid isn't. You and anne O'nymous are two examples of users who constantly insult people's intelligence when taking part in some discussion in this forum. Pay attention to your own behavior before you want to point your finger at someone.

My joke was had nothing to do with discrediting him because of age, it was clearly related to the fact that it is perfectly possible to use cryptocurrencies on a daily basis and that only being a child to not be able to use this type of debit card.
If a dog poops on the floor he's a bad dog. Why do you think that if a person does something stupid that they should be exempt from that description? Do we need to create a safe space where you can be stupid without being judged for it? Your naive belief that an anonymous ad service which you can't hold accountable is a viable option is STUPID. Constantly missing the point and twisting responses to suit your needs is STUPID. If you have a problem with it, lucky you, stupidity has a cure, it's called taking in new information, processing it, and adding it to your own information base. Instead, you keep choosing to double down on your poor judgement.

You are the perfect example that there is no guarantee of success using Patreon.
Point to 10 developers who had success within 3 releases. Depraved Awakening, one of the best games out there, one where the dev had 5 grand to blow on assets and resources for his next game after finishing, had 1 patron after 2 releases. It is too early to judge anything based on how few releases I've made.
 

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I'll just answer to the most important part of your message, voluntarily forgetting everything else to focus on what really matter and, in fact, also answer to everything you said or can say in the future :


Another important requirement is that the ad network allows applications with mature content.
Let things be clear here...
  1. You asked for alternative to a-ads, saying that you'll add them if given ;
  2. I gave you a list of 79 ad networks *** ***** ******* ;
  3. You didn't included them because the said ad networks need to allow mature content.
We are all right on this ?


No, seriously, the answer to my last question is important. We need to all be on the same page. That's what happened, right ?


So, now that we all agree, I have a problem...


When you click on the link I gave, you see that the title of the page is "advertising networks for adult content" and that its title is "ad networks for adult content". It's on front of the page, you simply can't miss it...


Now, tell me... are you a hypocrite who commented on a page he didn't even bothered to see, or a stupid who didn't understood what the page was about ?
 
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Introduce me to an ad network that supports desktop and mobile apps and accepts adult content. When you or anyone else here does this I will add for sure.
Why does it have to support mobile? Sure, you might be making an android version, but I'm not wasting the time to compress files and make that happen for mobile users unless my userbase really wants it, and even then I need a lot of requests, because not all of them will be paying users.
 
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If a dog poops on the floor he's a bad dog. Why do you think that if a person does something stupid that they should be exempt from that description? Do we need to create a safe space where you can be stupid without being judged for it? Your naive belief that an anonymous ad service which you can't hold accountable is a viable option is STUPID. Constantly missing the point and twisting responses to suit your needs is STUPID. If you have a problem with it, lucky you, stupidity has a cure, it's called taking in new information, processing it, and adding it to your own information base. Instead, you keep choosing to double down on your poor judgement.
With that kind of answer, you just prove my point.

Point to 10 developers who had success within 3 releases. Depraved Awakening, one of the best games out there, one where the dev had 5 grand to blow on assets and resources for his next game after finishing, had 1 patron after 2 releases. It is too early to judge anything based on how few releases I've made.
This only proves the obvious, that it is extremely difficult to get support on patreon or similar platforms. You are advocating this kind of funding model even though you have never managed to succeed with it.

With the ads at least the developers would have ample freedom to develop their projects and would have the chance to monetize even with players who would never be willing to pay directly.

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Let things be clear here...
  1. You asked for alternative to a-ads, saying that you'll add them if given ;
  2. I gave you a list of 79 ad networks *** ***** ******* ;
  3. You didn't included them because the said ad networks need to allow mature content.
We are all right on this ?

No, seriously, the answer to my last question is important. We need to all be on the same page. That's what happened, right ?

So, now that we all agree, I have a problem...

When you click on the link I gave, you see that the title of the page is "advertising networks for adult content" and that its title is "ad networks for adult content". It's on front of the page, you simply can't miss it...

Now, tell me... are you a hypocrite who commented on a page he didn't even bothered to see, or a stupid who didn't understood what the page was about ?
I have never stated that this list of ad networks you submitted forbids adult content.

What I did was present all the necessary requirements for an ad network to be used in an adult game.

Again I repeat, if you or any other user of this forum know about other ad networks that meet the requirements I put before, please let me know. Just remember that it's no use pointing me to conventional adult ad networks because these are meant for websites.

Why does it have to support mobile? Sure, you might be making an android version, but I'm not wasting the time to compress files and make that happen for mobile users unless my userbase really wants it, and even then I need a lot of requests, because not all of them will be paying users.
I think it's important to make the game available on as many platforms as possible, especially considering that it's a simple process with the engine I'm using. I even published two quick guides about it:





You certainly would have been more likely to grow up at Patreon if mobile versions of your games were made available.
 

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developers would have ample freedom to develop their projects
Freedom?

Advertisers also have options to limit where their ads should appear or they can manually choose which banner/website they want to advertise on.
As I've explained multiple times now, because of this there is no freedom with advertisers, they are just as fickle and far more likely to turn on you than Patreon which has only done so under intense pressure from financial institutions. As I've also already explained, Patreaon's guidelines don't hurt me. In fact, I'm willing to bet I could get away with leaving my incest in though I've chosen not to, because my games are far closer to erotica than they are straight up porn. Their guidelines say GoT would be allowed.

However, I admit that's a risk, so I haven't done so. I could still, keeping my audience happy, put my game on Patreon even if they did eventually ban all nudity in any context. My games both have an actual plot, one with romance, and the other with a thriller. The sex and relationships could be removed and patched back in without losing the game.

If you have a problem with it, lucky you, stupidity has a cure, it's called taking in new information, processing it, and adding it to your own information base. Instead, you keep choosing to double down on your poor judgement.
So, now with a third attempt, maybe the new knowledge will be processed?

I think it's important to make the game available on as many platforms as possible, especially considering that it's a simple process with the engine I'm using. I even published two quick guides about it:





You certainly would have been more likely to grow up at Patreon if mobile versions of your games were made available.
Didn't you, yourself, say that you couldn't say something like that without proof?
 
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Freedom?

As I've explained multiple times now, because of this there is no freedom with advertisers, they are just as fickle and far more likely to turn on you than Patreon which has only done so under intense pressure from financial institutions. (...)
If you have impressions and clicks on your banner, you will always have advertisers, even producing controversial content.

Didn't you, yourself, say that you couldn't say something like that without proof?
This forum is the proof. Daily it is possible to see here, in several topics, multiple users requesting android versions. Users like the66 receive daily requests to create unofficial android versions of various games.
 

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f you have impressions and clicks on your banner, you will always have advertisers, even producing controversial content.
naive

This forum is the proof. Daily it is possible to see here, in several topics, multiple users requesting android versions. Users like the66 receive daily requests to create unofficial android versions of various games.
Yes, but unless they want an android version of my game, why would I spend the time to make one? It is a bit of work, not too much, as Ren'Py can do it, but often times there are code issues and of course, you'll want to compress it since phones don't have a lot of space. I'm not going to make it and hope they want it. If they want it they'll ask for it.
 

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I have never stated that this list of ad networks you submitted forbids adult content.

What I did was present all the necessary requirements for an ad network to be used in an adult game.

Again I repeat, if you or any other user of this forum know about other ad networks that meet the requirements I put before, please let me know.
  • If effectively you knew that it were a list of adult ad networks, you would have just answered that it's not the only needed requirement ;
  • The thread talk about advertising in adult games, I'm pretty sure that even the dumbest reader know by himself that to be valid an ad network need to accept games and adult content ;
  • There's more than one ad network in the list I gave that meet these requirements.

I'll not do your job. It took me less than one minute to find the link, and less than two to find an ad network that meet your requirement with a total certitude. If effectively you are honest and not affiliated to the declining a-ads (-44.44% average CPM !), prove it.
 
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  • If effectively you knew that it were a list of adult ad networks, you would have just answered that it's not the only needed requirement ;
  • The thread talk about advertising in adult games, I'm pretty sure that even the dumbest reader know by himself that to be valid an ad network need to accept games and adult content ;
  • There's more than one ad network in the list I gave that meet these requirements.

I'll not do your job. It took me less than one minute to find the link, and less than two to find an ad network that meet your requirement with a total certitude. If effectively you are honest and not affiliated to the declining a-ads (-44.44% average CPM !), prove it.
I'm still waiting for you to effectively name some trusted ad network that meets all the requirements I've listed. I have no obligation to waste days or weeks testing different services just to be able to present other options for you.

If you think the network I presented in this guide is unreliable, you should try other options for a few days or weeks, confirm that they are trusted, and then report here.

When you or some other user does this, then I add other networks in this guide.
 

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I'm still waiting for you to effectively name some trusted ad network that meets all the requirements I've listed. I have no obligation to waste days or weeks testing different services just to be able to present other options for you.
Writing this while answering to, "I'll not do your job. It took me less than one minute to find the link, and less than two to find an ad network that meet your requirement with a total certitude."
But it's @DarthSeduction and me that are the ones "insulting the intelligence" of others... It's obvious, yes.

Note that you didn't answered to the most important part of my comment. Why using a (not trustworthy) ad agency that have a 44.44% decline of its average CPM ?


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Writing this while answering to, "I'll not do your job. It took me less than one minute to find the link, and less than two to find an ad network that meet your requirement with a total certitude."
But it's @DarthSeduction and me that are the ones "insulting the intelligence" of others... It's obvious, yes.
It's your job. You're the one who wants other ad network options. Do you really think just because you posted a random list of ad networks do I have to search for you?

All you have to do is indicate the name of some trusted ad network that can be used without problems. We are moving to the fourth page of this topic and so far you have not cited any names.

Note that you didn't answered to the most important part of my comment. Why using a (not trustworthy) ad agency that have a 44.44% decline of its average CPM ?
You have not bothered to research how the service works and mistakenly thinks it's a conventional cpm network.

According to the selected ad filters, number of unique impressions/clicks and niche of the website/app, more or less advertisers will appear in your ad banner paying a certain amount per hour to have more or less priority.

If you really have another ad network option (without any restriction or requirement) that is more profitable, please say so at once.
 

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It's your job. You're the one who wants other ad network options.
No, it's your job. You are the one who wants people to use ads in their game, and claim to explain to them how to do so. Like you aren't at all (blink) affiliated to a-ads, the less you must do is to give at least one or two alternative. And it happen that you had one under your nose in the message you answered. Just use your brain and less than one minute of your so precious time ; let's call this a honesty test.
 
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It's your job. You're the one who wants other ad network options. Do you really think just because you posted a random list of ad networks do I have to search for you?
What I'm trying to defend here is the initial proposal of this topic, not the service in question. As I said in a previous reply, if any user indicate another similar reliable service, I include in the guide without any problems. The more options, the better.
I'm still waiting for you to effectively name some trusted ad network that meets all the requirements I've listed. I have no obligation to waste days or weeks testing different services just to be able to present other options for you.

If you think the network I presented in this guide is unreliable, you should try other options for a few days or weeks, confirm that they are trusted, and then report here.

When you or some other user does this, then I add other networks in this guide.
One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong.