- Thread starter RIC0H
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- Dec 14, 2021
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How can you screw up a damn good start to the game just when you don't think things through. You just fell into the mud where noobdevs usually go. All of that could have been saved with just one fucking button.
- Dec 14, 2021
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No, but you would keep the majority on board and happy when they don't have to see all the crap if there was a button to block certain things.
- Jan 26, 2021
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I'm a backwards type of person, the more someone complains about something, the less insentive I have to give them what they want
I am still loving this game. The Megan scene was a bit harsh for me, but the follow up should bring her around nicely. What sticks in my mind about her is that she is Amber's daughter. She may not be as naive or innocent as she seems. MC may have pressed her kink button doing what he did, in both scenes. Who knows how many times she has seen her mother getting absolutely railed. Even if only a few times, it would be enough to make her to think it's normal. Now I am not saying Amber just plopped her daughter in front of her partner of the moment, and said let's go. Megan could have just heard a noise in the living room, much like Lauren did, and let her curiosity go from there. If she liked what she saw, she would seek it out again. Since she wants her "virginity" tested again, I think she actually knows what she is doing, and will seek out that next "test" as well.
- Nov 15, 2020
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Well, technically Emily is living in the MC's house, so at least he'd have the right to say "I don't want any of that stuff in here" which would make her continuing a relationship difficult.
But personally, I am not at all against Emily being in a lesbian relationship, and I get that you don't want to cut that part out for story purposes. I also get that rendering some scenes in which some players may not be interested in are a waste of time, but I think that some things (like Emily and Amber making out) used to be already in a previous version. So, if it has to be in, then please let it be in.
If you can find a way to take it fully out for those who don't like lesbian sex between love interests, then please give that option.
But having things happen but not showing it, is confusing as well as generally a bit unsatisfactory.
Just my opinion. I like the game either way, but I just think it might be a bit better.
As said RICOH it is true that it would be nice if most games had the ability to control the different interests of the game the main fact is 95% of games have no control over that aspect. Yes it is a nice idea but almost no one has the time to implement dialogue changes that would remove said content without having to almost rewrite their stuff.
There is the few that believe lesbian content is cheating others do not the point here is people want absolute control of what they get. That would be a hard thing for most game devs to do since it is THEIR game they are developing, yes they do like input. But if you want that content into the Devs game then Dev your own game it is fine to ask but DO NOT demand them to fix it.
If the dev adds that feature its because they are trying to be nice but the dialogue edits are usually harder since some devs feel it can undermine the story they are trying to push out.
You cant satisfy everyone, just satisfy your own interests. Keep the story going if you feel its rushed then slow it down, if you feel its not moving fast enough find places to accelerate it.
There is the few that believe lesbian content is cheating others do not the point here is people want absolute control of what they get. That would be a hard thing for most game devs to do since it is THEIR game they are developing, yes they do like input. But if you want that content into the Devs game then Dev your own game it is fine to ask but DO NOT demand them to fix it.
If the dev adds that feature its because they are trying to be nice but the dialogue edits are usually harder since some devs feel it can undermine the story they are trying to push out.
You cant satisfy everyone, just satisfy your own interests. Keep the story going if you feel its rushed then slow it down, if you feel its not moving fast enough find places to accelerate it.
I've never made a scene for that, it was just heavily emphasised that it happened (and later confirmed).
There's an image in the Gallery version that shows them making out, but that's just an image and not an entire scene.
- Sep 18, 2021
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There's also the option to step outside of the story, and separate the idea of "This is a choice the character is making" from the idea of "This is a choice the player is making".
It doesn't really matter if it would be odd for the character to tell someone to avoid outside relationships. If the player wants to make that choice, it's perfectly in keeping with the idea of giving the player agency over the story in the first place.
And you can essentially view it as being two parallel universes - in one universe the outside relationship takes place and the player gets to see it, and in the other universe the outside relationship simply doesn't happen at all.
"It's happening regardless, you just get to choose whether or not to see it" is almost always the worst possible option, because it still feels like the player isn't being given a choice. So they're going to resent being railroaded into that scenario in the first place. It's not really SEEING it that bothers people. It's the idea of things happening outside of their ability to choose. The more controversial or divisive the scenario, the more people will want to have the power to say no to it.
Like it or not, it's basically a fundamental principle of making an interactive game with player choice. Players will always want to choose.
If it's part of a branching path (or pre-blocked content), it's really only a "waste of time" in the sense that it's time spent on a resource that some players will never see, but it still adds value for those who do want to see it (and making it optional still adds value - or at least avoids subtracting value - for the players who don't).
It's why a lot of people on these boards tend to argue that anything beyond fairly vanilla 1-on-1 relationships should be a choice/avoidable, and the player should always have the option to accept or decline even vanilla/straight/1-on-1 relationships on their own rather than being forced into things they might not want to engage in. Because it means they can still get enjoyment out of a game even if there is a character or a scene or a path that would otherwise lead them to drop a game entirely. Unless the entire concept of a game hinges on a specific premise (ie, the entire story as written requires you to catch your wife cheating on you, or the game is being created from the start to appeal to NTR fans, etc), it's usually a good idea to give at least some power to the player over what sort of content is present.
Adding that degree of flexibility definitely takes a bit more time, and a little bit of planning on the part of the dev, but the payoff is almost always a boon. And it really only becomes a negative when the dev focuses on one storyline/route/LI to the exclusion of others in a given update (that's when you start getting the "OMG worthless update!" sort of complaints).
Things like NTR or sharing or separate lesbian scenes wouldn't be anywhere near as controversial if they were almost always a choice players could opt out of. Because it's very much the sense of powerlessness that is what causes the frustration.
(It would also help if devs were always open and honest about future content in tags, rather than playing bait-and-switch and adding in the more controversial stuff later after people have already become invested in a game and want to see it continue. It's easier to pass on a game you know is going to focus on things you dislike than it is to drop a game you've already become interested in because it's turning into something other than what it presented itself as.)
But to be fair, the games that do have that aspect also tend to be the ones that people have the strongest positive feelings for. And throw money at.
Like it or not, if you're including choices at all (as opposed to just making a kinetic novel where the only thing the viewer can do is scroll through the scenes), you're creating an expectation that the player will have control over the scenario they're seeing. Which is why people tend to get annoyed when they're given the illusion of choice but ultimately have no real say in anything (see also why people always used to complain about Telltalle games).
People who come to a forum for games tend to expect games. Not just porn slide shows.
And it generally isn't all that hard to include paths where "If you don't want to see X then X doesn't happen" as opposed to "You don't have to see X but it's still happening anyway" or "You're going to see X whether you want to or not".
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changelog now fixed, 0.6 has been re-added.
addendum:
I fucking detest anti-NTR zealots that try to force every game to adhere to their ultra narrow viewpoint, and i'm not even an NTR fan.
keep making the game you want to make and ignore those whiny children.
- Jun 26, 2018
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In my opinion it's NTR if one of the girls is a LI who is in a relationship with the MC and the other girl isn't in a relationship with the MC.
If they are both LIs, the only thing that would bother me is if they did it without the MC knowing about it (not necessarily every time they do it, but they also have a relationship or whatever).
In any case, I find lesbian sex boring, so if I don't have to watch it, all the better.
Personally, if it's clear I'm not going to like something, no matter how much the walkthrough turns it green, I won't watch it. Example: Megan's scene after getting her drunk.
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What NTR are you talking about?
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- Jun 23, 2017
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It's a nice take but let's not forget the dev's vision for the story to begin with. Some event (that some might not like) will happen in order to move the strory the way the dev sees it. In that case the best he can offer you is to 'not see' the content.
But after all this, think he's quite aware of the distinction
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Well...so please don't make another update, please make short version, please put a lot of drama and not a happy story....I'm a backwards type of person, the more someone complains about something, the less insentive I have to give them what they want
OK what happened to all my saves from v0.5? And what happened to Lauren's scene where she rode the MC on the couch until he creampied her? Hell even the part right before that where he picked her up and ate her out was missing. Looks like another case of upgrading to a version with a higher number isn't an improvement .
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hi, all the saves are right here. each save belongs to one h-scene before. I tried to do all the pre-h-scene but I may have missed some. Have fun.
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