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I don't usually post in game threads, however I do admire Runey's dedication to an awesome game and also to the F95 community. As a creator of 3D art myself, I always want artists to perform to the maximum of their capabilities. I really do love Harem Hotel and want to see it as a complete and well rounded game. I do not however wish to see it extend past its life, via the creation of additional characters that don't really add much to the composition as a whole.

To provide some perspective, Solovalley Highschool has introduced so many characters, I can't remember who the characters are. On the other side, Pick Cafe has learnt from what he produced in Acting Lessons and looks to be doing an even better in "Being a DIK".

Runey, you are a talented artist and more importantly a great story teller, I want to see what you are capable of next. Please finish the awesome game you are working on, however don't drag it out. As soon as you start losing the passion, make the switch to the next project.

PS: For all the haters out there, Ashley is my favourite character. Nuts / Crazy / Insecure and totally adorable.
I fully agree (except for the PS about Ashley. Ashley is a great character but not my favorite). Version 0.6 introduces a lot more characters to the game, especially side characters. There will also be additional slaves that can be purchased in version 0.7.

I like the bar idea.

It is interesting that so many new characters are popping up when there is so little content for Autumn, Emma, and Felicity. There is also plenty more story to tell for the "original" hotel residents (Android, Lin, Kali, Ashley, Maria, Felicity, Emma, and Autumn). I personally would rather have a focused game rather than continually adding more and more new characters to keep the game alive.

So your post is very thoughtful and correct in my opinion. There are tons of more possibilities with the original girls in the hotel. After the MC's sister is introduced, I'd like to see work on Harem Hotel 2 or another creative project.

Runey does an awesome job on this game! :love:
 
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After Harem Hotel I need Runey needs to step up his dev game further, we need something bigger: Harem Country - Central Waifu Agency when?
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No, it goes Harem Hotel, Harem City, Harem Knight, with a prequel called Harem Origins.
And don't forget Harem Universe, set in in future, where you can make your own harem on every planet in the universe. And, also, Harem Future, where all characters are Androids and Elves, because Humans unfortunately made a giant mistake and caused the extinction of their own race.
 

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Really hated where Maria's story left hanging so guess I just leave it unfinished until next version. Though this trend of virtual cockbcking seems to be a new tool of game developer as started with Autumn. Pretty bloody annoying considering just how much grind needed for each character to start giving little reward for grind on newest character and then blocking my favorite. I can understand the character development side but resolve it in same update FFS.
 
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I watched the video and wasn't impressed. I'm not sure where all the hype is coming from. That's one hour I'm not getting back. And yes, I did understand what he was saying. He makes a few minor points worth mentioning but rambles on about them for way too long. :(
Then tell me what TheDevian refused to. Why are VNs by far the most developed type of 'game' on Patreon compared to more traditional games? :)
 

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Really hated where Maria's story left hanging so guess I just leave it unfinished until next version. Though this trend of virtual cockbcking seems to be a new tool of game developer as started with Autumn. Pretty bloody annoying considering just how much grind needed for each character to start giving little reward for grind on newest character and then blocking my favorite. I can understand the character development side but resolve it in same update FFS.
I think you are being ungenerous. First thing first, there's no cockblocking when it comes to Autumn, she's just a character that's supposed to deliver a specific experience that involves inherently a long time to develop. And since the game is still in development, it's just inevitable that her story progression gets split into multiple updates since there are other characters that need attention too.
That said, the game does warn you about the Maria event. And the situation is due to progress in the next update. It's just normal for a game in development to have the current content reaching a stop at each version. If this were a finished game, the critique would be fair, but it is not. It's a piece of a game and that situation is going to get a resolution and, if I recall correctly, it is due for the next update. It's not like we've had to wait six months to go further with Maria. We simply reached the end of v0.5 and have to wait 0.6, like it happens with every other character.
 

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I fully agree (except for the PS about Ashley. Ashley is a great character but not my favorite). Version 0.6 introduces a lot more characters to the game, especially side characters. There will also be additional slaves that can be purchased in version 0.7.

I like the bar idea.

It is interesting that so many new characters are popping up when there is so little content for Autumn, Emma, and Felicity. There is also plenty more story to tell for the "original" hotel residents (Android, Lin, Kali, Ashley, Maria, Felicity, Emma, and Autumn). I personally would rather have a focused game rather than continually adding more and more new characters to keep the game alive.

So your post is very thoughtful and correct in my opinion. There are tons of more possibilities with the original girls in the hotel. After the MC's sister is introduced, I'd like to see work on Harem Hotel 2 or another creative project.

Runey does an awesome job on this game! :love:
I liked the rescuing of Elves and hope Miss Rin can be rescued for Ashley in next update. Saw absolutely no point in drunk in bar for single sex scene while training Moon up rewarded nothing. Still not found the Kate that listed in extras in statistics or third Emma scene so not quite sure what that is about.

I also can appreciate the storytelling angle of Autumn and Maria's blocked content,,,,,but after all the grind needed on Autumn and Maria it feels more like cockblocking so more frustrating and annoying than anything and to be getting sidetracked with all his new content seems a little cruel. Probably most annoyed because Maria is my favorite by far, my sexy, smart partner in crime so for her to become second celibate character was bloody annoying so probably not as impartial as I was.

Finally I also think Ashley and Felicity's bitch masks and possessiveness have been carried on way to far, why the hell cant I lock them in a bloody room together and mediate until they open up to each other and see they both the same and its left them alone with even Emma drifting away from Felicity. To constantly sit back and let them hurt others as they self destructing is very strange and counter productive when whole goal is to build harem.
 

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Really hated where Maria's story left hanging so guess I just leave it unfinished until next version. Though this trend of virtual cockbcking seems to be a new tool of game developer as started with Autumn. Pretty bloody annoying considering just how much grind needed for each character to start giving little reward for grind on newest character and then blocking my favorite. I can understand the character development side but resolve it in same update FFS.
I agree that this kind of "cliffhanger" was not really the best choice, but I don't see any cockblocking here at all. There are many others to get laid.
 

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I think you are being ungenerous. First thing first, there's no cockblocking when it comes to Autumn, she's just a character that's supposed to deliver a specific experience that involves inherently a long time to develop. And since the game is still in development, it's just inevitable that her story progression gets split into multiple updates since there are other characters that need attention too.
That said, the game does warn you about the Maria event. And the situation is due to progress in the next update. It's just normal for a game in development to have the current content reaching a stop at each version. If this were a finished game, the critique would be fair, but it is not. It's a piece of a game and that situation is going to get a resolution and, if I recall correctly, it is due for the next update. It's not like we've had to wait six months to go further with Maria. We simply reached the end of v0.5 and have to wait 0.6, like it happens with every other character.
Tell me any other game where unlocked content is relocked as a cliffhanger? So in no way is relocking content and needing more grind to unlock normal. And in no way is not been able to unlock it again at least til next update or even longer) normal or even necessary. Sure you can get around it by simply not doing but the whole thing is a pointless mechanic that wasted time and effort better spent elsewhere. And sorry considering how damn gullible August was in few scenes we did get the whole damn character is ridiculously flawed and should have easily been talked out of panties....seriously I need masturbation material because I cant watch porn or screw ny of other girls even though she knows full well what I did with Ashley at her family cafe and has to have lived under rock whole stay to be only character not to know I screwing everyone else in hotel.
 

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Tell me any other game where unlocked content is relocked as a cliffhanger? So in no way is relocking content and needing more grind to unlock normal. And in no way is not been able to unlock it again at least til next update or even longer) normal or even necessary. Sure you can get around it by simply not doing but the whole thing is a pointless mechanic that wasted time and effort better spent elsewhere. And sorry considering how damn gullible August was in few scenes we did get the whole damn character is ridiculously flawed and should have easily been talked out of panties....seriously I need masturbation material because I cant watch porn or screw ny of other girls even though she knows full well what I did with Ashley at her family cafe and has to have lived under rock whole stay to be only character not to know I screwing everyone else in hotel.
You want an example? Corruption, by Mr. C. When you bring a character to her highest level of corruption and enslave her you lose access to all previous sex options and it's been that way for a long time since the slave content for said character hasn't been implemented until recently and only partially.
But the whole point remains: games have a start and a finish, a fortiori games that aren't yet finished. The game is in development, every update has a start and an end. There is repeatable content in this game and there is not repeatable content (story scenes are one-shot). You are given a clear warning before locking Maria's repeatable content at the end of 0.5, it's your choice to play through it and save afterwards. You could do like me, wait for 0.6 before proceeding. You didn't. Is it the author's fault or a game flaw? It is not. It is a feature to enforce realism. The story makes Maria reconsider the situation and it wouldn't be coherent to then go on as if nothing happened.
If there was no warning, I'd understand your complaint, but there is a clear warning.

Regarding Autumn, she is easily convinced of your good faith and virtue, but she's not dumb. She has a set of very religious values and won't certainly just give her body to you because you ask or come out with some dumb excuse. She's supposed to be a hard to get by and hard to seduce character. That's her appeal and her very design. If you don't like her, there's not much it can be done, you simply don't like the character. It happens.
For instance, I don't like Felicity and I think Lin is best girl, but that's subjective.
 

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Then tell me what TheDevian refused to. Why are VNs by far the most developed type of 'game' on Patreon compared to more traditional games? :)
I did tell you, because 'sex sells', and this is something that some people find easy enough to do (I wish I was one of them, but that level of coding is beyond a dyslexic like me), which means that because so many people can make something, the 'market' gets flooded with them (and there will always be a market for sex stuff, especially in places where they repress their sexuality). It's as simple as that. I mean, as I started last time, there are actually a great many reasons, far more than the short list I gave before, but this isn't the place for that.
But, if you are trying to use that as a defense of reading and writing, you need to take a long close look at some of these games, few are even up to this level of writing, and many are downright painful to read (even if some of those are still fun to play). Don't get me wrong, I am glad people are reading anything, but most of the stuff here is not what you would call 'high literature'.
 

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I had a weird glitch/bug during the android event where she falls into the hot spring, Kali comes to looks after her, says about staying with her, MC goes to buy water sealant, goes to next day, but then shows the past event where android is in city and going shopping instead of her recovering and being water sealed
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You want an example? Corruption, by Mr. C. When you bring a character to her highest level of corruption and enslave her you lose access to all previous sex options and it's been that way for a long time since the slave content for said character hasn't been implemented until recently and only partially.
But the whole point remains: games have a start and a finish, a fortiori games that aren't yet finished. The game is in development, every update has a start and an end. There is repeatable content in this game and there is not repeatable content (story scenes are one-shot). You are given a clear warning before locking Maria's repeatable content at the end of 0.5, it's your choice to play through it and save afterwards. You could do like me, wait for 0.6 before proceeding. You didn't. Is it the author's fault or a game flaw? It is not. It is a feature to enforce realism. The story makes Maria reconsider the situation and it wouldn't be coherent to then go on as if nothing happened.
If there was no warning, I'd understand your complaint, but there is a clear warning.

Regarding Autumn, she is easily convinced of your good faith and virtue, but she's not dumb. She has a set of very religious values and won't certainly just give her body to you because you ask or come out with some dumb excuse. She's supposed to be a hard to get by and hard to seduce character. That's her appeal and her very design. If you don't like her, there's not much it can be done, you simply don't like the character. It happens.
For instance, I don't like Felicity and I think Lin is best girl, but that's subjective.
One game hardly makes normal and transitioning from one set of content to a set of slave content is very different from blocking content with no replacement. And f you learnt to read I repeatedly said I am not completing the story line as most wont which is why it makes the whole thing redundant waste of time. You keep talking about realism but then happy to ignore totally ridiculous that included in game. Androids and elves fine and a totally trusting and gullible overly sheltered woman of blind faith takes ridiculous grind to get nowhere but tell her your celibate and anti porn but if dont cum she strips off to give you fap material but MC is to dumb to talk her into bed FFS that is as ridiculous as it gets. She is as dumb as a post, when asked directly about her rules of faith she has no answers just blind faith with no knowledge fed to her by parents same for her Elf freedom efforts when questioned by Lin she had no answers and denied anything that questioned church even from an eye witness, she has massive blinkers and has demonstrated no intelligence and has worked her whole life in a coffee shop. Aloofness, arrogance and sense of superiority do not make intelligence and are easily manipulated, the twins would be much harder to crack in realty because of their innate distrust created by father issues.
Anyway this debate pointless so will agree to disagree with one eyed fan boy. Sorry like game but much better storylines with better games will be ones that keep getting my patreon money. He is far from winning me over with character inconsistencies and levels of grinding needed and bringing backtracking into an already grindfest is not going to win over new fans.
 

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One game hardly makes normal and transitioning from one set of content to a set of slave content is very different from blocking content with no replacement. And f you learnt to read I repeatedly said I am not completing the story line as most wont which is why it makes the whole thing redundant waste of time. You keep talking about realism but then happy to ignore totally ridiculous that included in game. Androids and elves fine and a totally trusting and gullible overly sheltered woman of blind faith takes ridiculous grind to get nowhere but tell her your celibate and anti porn but if dont cum she strips off to give you fap material but MC is to dumb to talk her into bed FFS that is as ridiculous as it gets. She is as dumb as a post, when asked directly about her rules of faith she has no answers just blind faith with no knowledge fed to her by parents same for her Elf freedom efforts when questioned by Lin she had no answers and denied anything that questioned church even from an eye witness, she has massive blinkers and has demonstrated no intelligence and has worked her whole life in a coffee shop. Aloofness, arrogance and sense of superiority do not make intelligence and are easily manipulated, the twins would be much harder to crack in realty because of their innate distrust created by father issues.
Anyway this debate pointless so will agree to disagree with one eyed fan boy. Sorry like game but much better storylines with better games will be ones that keep getting my patreon money. He is far from winning me over with character inconsistencies and levels of grinding needed and bringing backtracking into an already grindfest is not going to win over new fans.
I am very curious on what your definition of 'grinding' is. What I understand is 'reading' is hard for you and what you consider a grind.

All stats can be ignored, stats rarely effect the story as well. So you don't need to buy outfits, or unlock traits for them. You don't need to unlock the bar, or watch them shower. To play the game though, you need to read the story. So from what I understand, reading means grinding for you. If you don't like visual novels, don't play them.

And if I understand correctly, you're upset that you had to play the game, then wait 5 days while Maria thinks about herself (This is how long she's supposed to locked). Yes, she was technically locked for 2 ish months while the update was going, but honestly, I've never seen so much hype for Maria before. Never have I seen so many people talk about Maria than after that update.

Autumn isn't dumb, but she is a bit naive. She's stuck in her own personal logic, and if you play around that logic, you can get whatever you want from her. And she only has 13 story events, which means clicking 13 times on her door to read the story. If that's grind to you, it must be hard to blink.

All characters start in their most flawed state, which is generally how stories are written, or in other words, "rags to riches". Rags to riches is the most popular form of story telling because we like to see progression.

Anyway, that's sort of all I want to say. Everything else you've complained about has been explained in game, and since reading is apparently hard for you, I don't expect you to read the story and understand what's going on.

edit: I can totally understand if you don't like the characters, or their stories, or the game as a whole. Your opinion is perfectly fine with me.

I fully agree (except for the PS about Ashley. Ashley is a great character but not my favorite). Version 0.6 introduces a lot more characters to the game, especially side characters. There will also be additional slaves that can be purchased in version 0.7.

I like the bar idea.

It is interesting that so many new characters are popping up when there is so little content for Autumn, Emma, and Felicity. There is also plenty more story to tell for the "original" hotel residents (Android, Lin, Kali, Ashley, Maria, Felicity, Emma, and Autumn). I personally would rather have a focused game rather than continually adding more and more new characters to keep the game alive.

So your post is very thoughtful and correct in my opinion. There are tons of more possibilities with the original girls in the hotel. After the MC's sister is introduced, I'd like to see work on Harem Hotel 2 or another creative project.

Runey does an awesome job on this game! :love:
Felicity and Emma are basically caught up with the rest of the girls. They're only 3 - 4 events behind most of the girls, and Autumn is around 13 events behind most of the girls. This was also a complaint when Android showed up, but she caught up quickly due to me having less stories to juggle. All of the new girls get special treatment to get caught up by having more story than the older girls.

I don't really sacrifice main girls stories for side girls stories, but I can see how it seems that's the case. I just make story when I think of it, and I think of it a week before I start development on the update. Sometimes I have story for the update after, but typically not. So this update, I had a lot of stories in mind for side characters, and I also wanted to make the game broader. But side characters wont be having the same focus as main characters. They'll just be getting some fun story lines whenever they pop into my head.
 
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