Female Protag Corruption games and what is wrong with them.

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I would not pin this one on Patreon, as male leads games work just fine without making them retards raped by every female. It's more of a general preference in porn to have females being on the receiving end rather than the instigator of sexual actions. That summed with the prevalence of corruption themes in porn games makes for a scenario where the base of female lead games (or females in general) is to have her corrupted and fucked. The dumb part however is just plain bad writing.

Personally I would much rather see a game where a female protagonist acts like an actual protagonist and is on top of her sexual life and fucks people and things because she wants without being a victim or cum dumpster.
 

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There's nothing to be alluded. The fact is the game makers are 1. incompetent so they don't see this problem 2. Patreon model of game development hinges on them pushing out scenes.

These 2 things along with the lack of technical capability to do branching and conditions within their games means dev can ONLY write shallow as fuck games. Elena's Life, for example.


Now there ARE devs who can write good shit, like GGGB. I also would say that Lancaster Boarding House and My Girlfriend's Amnesia who can actually write or attempt to write. Seeds of Chaos is not bad either, but suffers from the problem of overly large scope and the Patreon problem. Selena One Hour Agent is actually pretty good. beWilder has some interesting stuff but still under development.

I tend to see a correlation between people who can actually code using renpy vs people who don't do anything with it.
I'm going to disagree here.

I lot of games in the last year or so have some excellent writing. (and some older ones)
I could name them all but it's becoming quite a long list. (Some of them are included in your post)

The problem is that most of the games with good writing is written with a male MC POV.

Very few games with a female MC POV in my view have good writing. I like games where the Female MC are strong, sexually aggressive female that want's to have sex with whoever she wants or chooses to have sex. (Like most male MC POV games) I have only enjoyed 2 games with Female MC so far. GGGB and Coceter Chronicles. (I will reluctantly give Zoe's Temptation a pass as well).

I do not enjoy the typical story where the Female MC are forced into sex, getting corrupted, have an IQ of 10, raped etc. etc and then becoming a slut and enjoying the abuse.

Ironically, some of the best female characters, are in games with a male MC. Elsa, Miranda etc. from the Elsa verse games are very strong and sexually aggressive characers. The male MC almost becomes secondary characters.

Some female characters from Ptolmy games are awesome and could easily have doubled up as an MC. I'm thinking Alexandra from Alexandra and Kelly from Intimate Relations. They know what they want sexually and relationship wise and takes it. I would love to play a Female MC like that, that does not take shit but likes to have sex. (Lisbeth Salander from Girl with the dragon Tattoo style)
 

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There´s not much you can chance in corruption games, i like the theme and sometimes i too think they make too easy, you you an´t be too realistic in these games, most of them would be stopped in a swift lawsuit in real life. Also you don´t really want to bring this consent stuff to adult games right?Please don´t, its just a step to SJW brigade and for one i hate those people. Story can be improved but i think you are being too demanding, if the game were the way you wanted it would not be corruption anymore.
About a year too late in my reply.

I don't mind corruption games (Especially playing as a Male MC). Not my favourite Genre, but I recognise some people love it.

However, We are talking about female protag games. And I really do not enjoy playing someone being dumb, stupid getting abused. I know some people enjoy it, but I would like to play as someone in charge of my own destiny, without missing out on the majority of sexual content because my MC does not want to give BJs to manipulative bosses etc.

It seems the consnsu in this threat is that there are only 2-3 games that fits this mould. That is why I do not in general enjoy playing as a female MC. If the writing for these games were better, I would love to play them.
 

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I would not pin this one on Patreon, as male leads games work just fine without making them retards raped by every female. It's more of a general preference in porn to have females being on the receiving end rather than the instigator of sexual actions. That summed with the prevalence of corruption themes in porn games makes for a scenario where the base of female lead games (or females in general) is to have her corrupted and fucked. The dumb part however is just plain bad writing.

Personally I would much rather see a game where a female protagonist acts like an actual protagonist and is on top of her sexual life and fucks people and things because she wants without being a victim or cum dumpster.
I personally like watching someone strong break. But break within the laws of the universe. For example, if I was playing a game with Tracer from Overwatch as MC, what kind of things can the "bad guys" do to coerce her? We can take blackmail as a standard tool. What kind of things are strong enough to blackmail a decorated, special agent, lesbian cutie like Tracer? And, if that does occur, what kind of defense mechanisms would Tracer use to get out of danger?

For example, let's say someone has incriminating evidence of Tracer having a mishap. Maybe something that paints Overwatch in a bad light or something. Or maybe something that her girlfriend did. What would be fun is if you, Tracer, has to navigate the villain's blackmail with some detective mechanics and figure out who is the blackmailer.

What's important with these kind of game is the dev needs to now THINK and PLAN. These questions I raised above are HARD to get right. You have to take account to all the things in the OW universe, the personality of her, and then finally map out with branching paths the actual game-play. Then you see if you can work in some h-stuff.

And guess what, most of the players that are on Patreon don't give a fuck. They just wanna see boobs and asses. They comment on here "not enough content" as in there is no sex.

So the devs give them that for the $$$. And we get shallow stories with insta-slut and retard girls in it.
 

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I personally like watching someone strong break. But break within the laws of the universe. For example, if I was playing a game with Tracer from Overwatch as MC, what kind of things can the "bad guys" do to coerce her? We can take blackmail as a standard tool. What kind of things are strong enough to blackmail a decorated, special agent, lesbian cutie like Tracer? And, if that does occur, what kind of defense mechanisms would Tracer use to get out of danger?

For example, let's say someone has incriminating evidence of Tracer having a mishap. Maybe something that paints Overwatch in a bad light or something. Or maybe something that her girlfriend did. What would be fun is if you, Tracer, has to navigate the villain's blackmail with some detective mechanics and figure out who is the blackmailer.

What's important with these kind of game is the dev needs to now THINK and PLAN. These questions I raised above are HARD to get right. You have to take account to all the things in the OW universe, the personality of her, and then finally map out with branching paths the actual game-play. Then you see if you can work in some h-stuff.

And guess what, most of the players that are on Patreon don't give a fuck. They just wanna see boobs and asses. They comment on here "not enough content" as in there is no sex.

So the devs give them that for the $$$. And we get shallow stories with insta-slut and retard girls in it.
Because a win in that scenario would lead to no sex, that's not about patreon.
 

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I dont know where you are going with this thread. If you just want there be more options for the player im all for it. If you just want to remove the slut/submissive/abused/bad endings to these games, then you are destroying the only reason i play these games :teary:

I never assume im reading a story in third person about a female protagonist. In these games, im her, if i do anything stupid its me, with pleasure, and the badder the better. I like being abused, raped, blackmailed, etc by dominant people. Will you offer that in your game?
Again a year too late in my reply ;)

I'm fine with other people liking Female MC games the way they are. MC getting abused raped etc.

I would just like to have some Female MC games with a story that I feel I have some control over her actions and still get some sexual content.

A lot of female MC games goes like this.
Male boss blackmails MC.
1) MC submits - Nice sexual content
2) MC rejects - No sexual content.
Rinse repeat until the game ends. So if you don't submit very little sexual content in the game. If you submit lots of content. So it's actually an illusion of a choice. I play the game for sexual content after all.

A perfect game will please us both as you can still go doen the corruption/submission/rape path but the other choices can have different sexual content. (Like GGGB)
 

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In any works of literature, there's conflict. Without conflict there's no story. There's 3 main types of conflicts in any literature. I'll use Lara Croft as an example of a female protag with established universe

You got Lara vs other characters (blackmail, or whatever with other people), Lara vs self (Lara losing faith in her abilities due to failures), Lara vs supernatural/world (Lara awakens some magical curse w/e)

Conflict: Lara vs Other characters (she broke some laws during one of her raids and someone is blackmailing her, she needs to preserve her and her father's legacy and reputation)
Win: Lara discovers the identity of the blackmailer, successfully saves her and her father's rep as a professional
Lose: Lara fails to do so, she gets deeper and deeper into depression and is basically shackled

Apparently you don't like this kinda stuff, too rapey and male fantasy w/e OK. SURE, you can use Lara and include a section where she has a boyfriend and she has to maintain the relationship. So like this:
Conflict: Lara's long term boyfriend recently suffered some sort of trauma. She exerts her wisdom and tenacity to save him and find true love and happiness
Win: Lara successfully defeats the adversarial item between her and love through a series of right choices
Lose: Lara fails to do so and her boyfriend suffers, her relationship suffers, and it's sad


You see where I'm going with this now? In the Lara Croft universe, any conflict she has, that is worthy of telling, is not your typical love story where girl meets boy.

Lara Croft as a strong, professional, simply does not have the ability to hunt boys and "eat them up" like a male MC can. It's simply NOT within the universe. Lara, if anything, is a one boy guy. She doesn't cheat because she's LARA FUCKING CROFT with a boner for justice and all things fair.

Nobody wants to play a game where you basically help Lara find happiness and she CAN'T be fucked with. I think most people play CORRUPTION games because they wanna see corruption. See something beautiful go against her nature and contort into something else. Something more human. Something more relatable, like me and you.
 

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Again a year too late in my reply ;)

I'm fine with other people liking Female MC games the way they are. MC getting abused raped etc.

I would just like to have some Female MC games with a story that I feel I have some control over her actions and still get some sexual content.

A lot of female MC games goes like this.
Male boss blackmails MC.
1) MC submits - Nice sexual content
2) MC rejects - No sexual content.
Rinse repeat until the game ends. So if you don't submit very little sexual content in the game. If you submit lots of content. So it's actually an illusion of a choice. I play the game for sexual content after all.

A perfect game will please us both as you can still go doen the corruption/submission/rape path but the other choices can have different sexual content. (Like GGGB)
That's called Vanilla genre. People play hentai games because they're tired of vanilla and wants kinky shit. I can't get this kind of sick depraved shit on pornhub. We want to enact our fantasy through the games as a vehicle. Of course we don't actually THINK we're the female MC. Personally I imagine someone beautiful that I know, someone whose life is perfect or seems perfect from their online presence. And I always wonder in comparison to mine, if that person has similar problems and deviant thoughts outside of their perfect little social media shell. I think these games serves as a way to deconstruct that seemingly perfect concept of a woman and allows regular men and women to bring them to our level.

*tangent
Honestly though I in RL, I met the most beautiful girl I've ever seen, saw her naked, had sex with her, but after learning more about her, I realized everything in her Instagram and Facebook is just false and her life is the most depressing and fucked up shit I know. Even though she's hands down the hottest thing I know, bar some girls on GirlsDoPorn.

I play corruption games to allow me to enact that kind of feeling. Of taking something that seems perfect and finding flaws with it, or break it myself.
 

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Well to summarize all that has been said, the best solution would be a game with multiple choice and multiple scenarios/endings, not just a game where the female protagonist must be raped to come to an end...

That reminds me of for example...

Am I correct?
 

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In any works of literature, there's conflict. Without conflict there's no story. There's 3 main types of conflicts in any literature. I'll use Lara Croft as an example of a female protag with established universe

You got Lara vs other characters (blackmail, or whatever with other people), Lara vs self (Lara losing faith in her abilities due to failures), Lara vs supernatural/world (Lara awakens some magical curse w/e)

Conflict: Lara vs Other characters (she broke some laws during one of her raids and someone is blackmailing her, she needs to preserve her and her father's legacy and reputation)
Win: Lara discovers the identity of the blackmailer, successfully saves her and her father's rep as a professional
Lose: Lara fails to do so, she gets deeper and deeper into depression and is basically shackled

Apparently you don't like this kinda stuff, too rapey and male fantasy w/e OK. SURE, you can use Lara and include a section where she has a boyfriend and she has to maintain the relationship. So like this:
Conflict: Lara's long term boyfriend recently suffered some sort of trauma. She exerts her wisdom and tenacity to save him and find true love and happiness
Win: Lara successfully defeats the adversarial item between her and love through a series of right choices
Lose: Lara fails to do so and her boyfriend suffers, her relationship suffers, and it's sad


You see where I'm going with this now? In the Lara Croft universe, any conflict she has, that is worthy of telling, is not your typical love story where girl meets boy.

Lara Croft as a strong, professional, simply does not have the ability to hunt boys and "eat them up" like a male MC can. It's simply NOT within the universe. Lara, if anything, is a one boy guy. She doesn't cheat because she's LARA FUCKING CROFT with a boner for justice and all things fair.

Nobody wants to play a game where you basically help Lara find happiness and she CAN'T be fucked with. I think most people play CORRUPTION games because they wanna see corruption. See something beautiful go against her nature and contort into something else. Something more human. Something more relatable, like me and you.
Good thing people are not forced to write Lara Croft in every game, otherwise we would not have any porn female or male.

Now, I don't want to tell people what to play and if you like corruption, that's fine, what I don't want is for every single female lead game be based on it. There are good stories with plenty of sex and interesting female leads waiting to be told where she is more than cum bucket, doesn't get blackmailed, and is not raped by every monster she encounters.
 
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In any works of literature, there's conflict. Without conflict there's no story. There's 3 main types of conflicts in any literature. I'll use Lara Croft as an example of a female protag with established universe

You got Lara vs other characters (blackmail, or whatever with other people), Lara vs self (Lara losing faith in her abilities due to failures), Lara vs supernatural/world (Lara awakens some magical curse w/e)

Conflict: Lara vs Other characters (she broke some laws during one of her raids and someone is blackmailing her, she needs to preserve her and her father's legacy and reputation)
Win: Lara discovers the identity of the blackmailer, successfully saves her and her father's rep as a professional
Lose: Lara fails to do so, she gets deeper and deeper into depression and is basically shackled

Apparently you don't like this kinda stuff, too rapey and male fantasy w/e OK. SURE, you can use Lara and include a section where she has a boyfriend and she has to maintain the relationship. So like this:
Conflict: Lara's long term boyfriend recently suffered some sort of trauma. She exerts her wisdom and tenacity to save him and find true love and happiness
Win: Lara successfully defeats the adversarial item between her and love through a series of right choices
Lose: Lara fails to do so and her boyfriend suffers, her relationship suffers, and it's sad


You see where I'm going with this now? In the Lara Croft universe, any conflict she has, that is worthy of telling, is not your typical love story where girl meets boy.

Lara Croft as a strong, professional, simply does not have the ability to hunt boys and "eat them up" like a male MC can. It's simply NOT within the universe. Lara, if anything, is a one boy guy. She doesn't cheat because she's LARA FUCKING CROFT with a boner for justice and all things fair.

Nobody wants to play a game where you basically help Lara find happiness and she CAN'T be fucked with. I think most people play CORRUPTION games because they wanna see corruption. See something beautiful go against her nature and contort into something else. Something more human. Something more relatable, like me and you.
Fair enough: Your Lara Croft Universe lends itself to a corruption game or a boring game. I will give you that.
Since the assumption is that Lara is a one person woman.

A Hypothetical example:
What about a game where the girl has an enormous sexual appetite, is horny all the time but she needs to maintain her social status of not being called a slut.
So the aim of the game could be to find inventive ways to have sex, but not sleeping with the "wrong" people, that could degrade your social status. So having a higher social status opens certain possibilities or just letting go and becoming a "slut" opens up different opportunities, but both paths with plenty of sexual content. Then there could be ways to gain social status again by blackmailing you male partners etc.

A personally enjoy games where the female is a bit of a sexual predator and manipulates the males around her to have sex. Daddy's Girl was a good example of this. You could even take The Babysitter and make Christine the MC with same story. She could go for the uncle, Robert, Silver or Jessica, Depending on her (your) aim for herself. (Or also try her luck with all of them)

In any case, maybe I'm just not cut out for FM MC games. But there were a couple that I enjoyed where the female were not the perpetual victim.

For the record. I'm not really into Hentai games, so I'm mostly referring to the CGI type games. I have played Japanese Erotic VNs like True Love, Immoral Studies and Sakura etc. way back in the days.
 

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Good thing people are not forced to write Lara Croft in every game, otherwise we would not have any porn female or male.

Now, I don't want to tell people what to play and if you like corruption, that's fine, what I don't want is for every single female lead game be based on it. There are good stories with plenty of sex and interesting female leads waiting to be told where she is more than cum bucket, doesn't get blackmailed, and is not raped by every monster she encounters.
100% this. It seems like people thinks I want to take away their Female MC corruption games. I'm not.
I just feel there is room for Female games where she does not need to be corrupted.
 

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That's called Vanilla genre. People play hentai games because they're tired of vanilla and wants kinky shit. I can't get this kind of sick depraved shit on pornhub. We want to enact our fantasy through the games as a vehicle. Of course we don't actually THINK we're the female MC. Personally I imagine someone beautiful that I know, someone whose life is perfect or seems perfect from their online presence. And I always wonder in comparison to mine, if that person has similar problems and deviant thoughts outside of their perfect little social media shell. I think these games serves as a way to deconstruct that seemingly perfect concept of a woman and allows regular men and women to bring them to our level.

*tangent
Honestly though I in RL, I met the most beautiful girl I've ever seen, saw her naked, had sex with her, but after learning more about her, I realized everything in her Instagram and Facebook is just false and her life is the most depressing and fucked up shit I know. Even though she's hands down the hottest thing I know, bar some girls on GirlsDoPorn.

I play corruption games to allow me to enact that kind of feeling. Of taking something that seems perfect and finding flaws with it, or break it myself.
I hear what you are saying. And I have nothing against that Genre.

I would just like to have some games with a female MC, that's written just as well as as some of the games with a male MC. (Depraved Awakening, Alexandra, My Girlfriend's Amnesia, De Luca Family, Tora games)

Unfortunately, the well written ones with a female MC are few and far in between, making me dislike the Genre in general apart from the couple of exceptions like Coceter Chronicles, GGGB and I love Daddy (Almost forgot this one). Why can the daughter (as MC) not seduce the dad ala Lolita style? That would be a game I enjoy. In the process sleep with meaningless boys to make her dad jealous?
 

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You have every right to not like these kind of games, but consider this: a game like the one you talk about would not be a corruption game at all, there are games with female protagonists where they play as normal people with full choices, but corruption games offers a fetish: woman being corrupted, its for people that like this, just like incest, bondage, NTR,...; take away that part and you "kill" the purpose of the game.
 
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These 2 things along with the lack of technical capability to do branching and conditions within their games means dev can ONLY write shallow as fuck games... Now there ARE devs who can write good shit, like GGGB... I tend to see a correlation between people who can actually code using renpy vs people who don't do anything with it.
I hope you're not using GGGB as an example supporting a correlation between good writing and good programming. Because I hate to say this, but it isn't. Eva's branching and story telling is great, but I'm constantly amazed to see that it works at all after having seen how it all works.

male leads games work just fine without making them retards raped by every female. It's more of a general preference in porn to have females being on the receiving end rather than the instigator of sexual actions.
That probably also has something to do with basic human biology. Men tend to be the sexual instigators while Women tend to be the sexual gatekeepers. With that having been said, a retarded gatekeeper may be the actual fantasy being played out in the minds of these writers, who clearly lack the requisite experience to write believable female characters.

That summed with the prevalence of corruption themes in porn games makes for a scenario where the base of female lead games (or females in general) is to have her corrupted and fucked. The dumb part however is just plain bad writing.

Personally I would much rather see a game where a female protagonist acts like an actual protagonist and is on top of her sexual life and fucks people and things because she wants without being a victim or cum dumpster.
I prefer to see games where both outcomes are possible. That's what I like about GGGB.

That is why I do not in general enjoy playing as a female MC. If the writing for these games were better, I would love to play them.
Heh, challenge accepted. Now if only I had the time.

I personally like watching someone strong break. But break within the laws of the universe. For example, if I was playing a game with Tracer from Overwatch as MC, what kind of things can the "bad guys" do to coerce her? We can take blackmail as a standard tool. What kind of things are strong enough to blackmail a decorated, special agent, lesbian cutie like Tracer? And, if that does occur, what kind of defense mechanisms would Tracer use to get out of danger?
Easy: Kidnap Emily. Use Lena's love for another person and fear of what another party might do to that person against her (Lena). You could potentially go after Winston, but Emily is clearly the easier and possibly more effective target. Lena already has survivor's guilt, which could easily be played off by the villain of your story.

For example, let's say someone has incriminating evidence of Tracer having a mishap. Maybe something that paints Overwatch in a bad light or something. Or maybe something that her girlfriend did. What would be fun is if you, Tracer, has to navigate the villain's blackmail with some detective mechanics and figure out who is the blackmailer.
Honestly, the only thing more annoying than a weak protagonist is a weak antagonist. Sure, you shouldn't start your game with a final boss fight, but seriously, there is nothing wrong with facing off against a strong and capable BAMF.

What's important with these kind of game is the dev needs to now THINK and PLAN. These questions I raised above are HARD to get right. You have to take account to all the things in the OW universe, the personality of her, and then finally map out with branching paths the actual game-play. Then you see if you can work in some h-stuff.
I'm okay with others setting the bar as low as they have. It gives me room to work :p

And guess what, most of the players that are on Patreon don't give a fuck. They just wanna see boobs and asses. They comment on here "not enough content" as in there is no sex.
Real artists are in it for themselves. If others like their work, that should always be secondary.

A perfect game will please us both as you can still go doen the corruption/submission/rape path but the other choices can have different sexual content. (Like GGGB)
I'm really liking how GGGB appears to be concluding.

Lara Croft as a strong, professional, simply does not have the ability to hunt boys and "eat them up" like a male MC can. It's simply NOT within the universe. Lara, if anything, is a one boy guy. She doesn't cheat because she's LARA FUCKING CROFT with a boner for justice and all things fair.
Even if Lara did have the ability to "hunt boys", I doubt she'd be inclined to do so sexually. Given her nature with archaeological artifacts, I would expect her to strive for extreme quality over quantity, and the male qualities I expect her to be most interested in would be the nature of his character. This is very difficult to immediately assess, unlike physical beauty which can be considered with a single glance. The only real tool Lara would have at her disposal would be to direct the interaction in ways that allow her to test his responses, which quite relies on him actually performing an action commonly perceived as "making a move" at some point.

To reference GGGB again, consider the seduction of Dave. Ashley could set that up and make openings for Dave, but ultimately he has to pull the trigger.

Also, Lara has nothing against moving on to the next adventure. What's to say that she doesn't cycle monogamous relationships as well? Maybe the guys she ends up with happen to fart in bed or something, and that's just no bueno for her. Maybe she farts in bed and it's no bueno for the dude? Sure she's looking for the one, but in the mean time, what'd be the harm in experiencing a threeesome once or thrice? Maybe an orgy in the heat of the moment. (Disclaimer: I haven't played the most recent game, and I'm sure that's showing right now)

Nobody wants to play a game where you basically help Lara find happiness and she CAN'T be fucked with. I think most people play CORRUPTION games because they wanna see corruption. See something beautiful go against her nature and contort into something else. Something more human. Something more relatable, like me and you.
I like my corruption games like I like my Greek tragedies: Long, suspenseful, and full of incest.

Good thing people are not forced to write Lara Croft in every game, otherwise we would not have any porn female or male.

Now, I don't want to tell people what to play and if you like corruption, that's fine, what I don't want is for every single female lead game be based on it. There are good stories with plenty of sex and interesting female leads waiting to be told where she is more than cum bucket, doesn't get blackmailed, and is not raped by every monster she encounters.
Sure, but where's the fun in that? Seriously though, in any game that presents as having multiple options moving forward, all of the above should be options. And honestly, the paths that involve not being a cum bucket, not being blackmailed, and not getting raped every five minutes are more interesting with the threat of cum bucketry, blackmailery, and monster rape.
 

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You have every right to not like these kind of games, but consider this: a game like the one you talk about would not be a corruption game at all, there are games with female protagonists where they play as normal people with full choices, but corruption games offers a fetish: woman being corrupted, its for people that like this, just like incest, bondage, NTR,...; take away that part and you "kill" the purpose of the game.
I think the argument here is that most of these corruption games are not really about women being corrupted. Take Insexsity for an example that hasn't been mentioned yet. The girl is from a small town in a big city and needs to pay rent so she has gotten a job in a massage parlor. So far so good, there is some backstory, some motivation for the girl to do what she's doing initially.

Yet the story never develops beyond that. She can simply fuck her landlord so she never has to pay therefore there's no point to fuck people for money in the massage parlor. There's no story behind anything really. She simply gets molested and raped repeatedly by sexual predators. The game fits the trope described in the OP to a T. She has no personality besides being generically naive as a child. It's badly written without a doubt.

Yet it's fun to walk around and explore, to basically hunt for sex scenes. Because that's why I'm playing it. For the porn, not the story. I think that's why games like Panthea and Legend of Krystal are popular too. These games give players agency in deciding where to go and with what to engage as well as some interactivity, but other than that they are basically glorified sex scene galleries that give context to what's happening on the screen. I guess it could be called immersion.

Also, most players are there to see the hot girl get dicked in all kinds of depraved situations. So it's not really "anti-player". In fact, it's exactly on point. It's why Claire's Quest also works and has support.

In the end, it depends on what you value more in adult games - story and proper characterization or gameplay. Personally, I'm gameplay and systems over story kind of guy so it doesn't bother me too much when the female MC is just a sexualized object. Yet there's no reason why these games couldn't be properly written and retain most things they already have. Remove Kate's ability to fuck the landlord for free rent and suddenly you have the motivation to earn money. Add a storyline of small-minded small-town folks and how Kate always felt alienated and repressed while willing to explore her sexuality and suddenly she has the motivation to indulge in something she hasn't had access to before. Like alcohol - it's such a forbidden fruit that most teenagers get really drunk after getting access to something forbidden for so long. I know I did, as did almost all my peers back in the day. Kate could be an actual human being, instead, she's a functional retard in lecher town.
 

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100% this. It seems like people thinks I want to take away their Female MC corruption games. I'm not.
I just feel there is room for Female games where she does not need to be corrupted.
Ok I see where you're coming from now. I was always under the impression that everyone wants corruption. I guess you just want a game that has a female MC, where she just goes around having sex like a man. She can't be corrupted because she was always "corrupted" already. How feminist of you. I don't think I know anyone who shares the view that men and women have equal sexual appetite, at least no publicly. How advent-garde. Too advent-garde, actually. That's why nobody does it.

Most players are here to play the male fantasy because they're men. I guess that's the simplest explanation. Maybe in 10 or 20 years when the women of Western society are more open sexually. Japanese games I don't see it happening
 

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I don't write games, but I do write and publish erotic fiction, and despite a lot of genre-skipping the one and only thing my stories have in common is that the female characters have sexual agency. They may not come to it immediately or quickly, but by the end they have it; the journey from lacking it to having it is incredibly hot if it's well-written. But starting from a position of sexual agency is also hot, and I'd argue even more so.

This is, I think, the central failure of "rapetown" games. The female MC has no agency, and she'll never have agency. So where's the plot? It's nice that the hot girl is fucked a lot, but then...what? She's fucked, and then fucked some more, and then fucked even more. This is a character without agency, but more importantly without a story. A little sex leading to some sex leading to more sex leading to much sex is the lamest of all possible narratives. Give me a *reason*.
 

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You have every right to not like these kind of games, but consider this: a game like the one you talk about would not be a corruption game at all, there are games with female protagonists where they play as normal people with full choices, but corruption games offers a fetish: woman being corrupted, its for people that like this, just like incest, bondage, NTR,...; take away that part and you "kill" the purpose of the game.
True... I misread the title after so long... ;)

My Apologies.. I still think they could write it better.
 

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Ok I see where you're coming from now. I was always under the impression that everyone wants corruption. I guess you just want a game that has a female MC, where she just goes around having sex like a man. She can't be corrupted because she was always "corrupted" already. How feminist of you. I don't think I know anyone who shares the view that men and women have equal sexual appetite, at least no publicly. How advent-garde. Too advent-garde, actually. That's why nobody does it.

Most players are here to play the male fantasy because they're men. I guess that's the simplest explanation. Maybe in 10 or 20 years when the women of Western society are more open sexually. Japanese games I don't see it happening
Well, I'm not a feminist, and I do not think sex drives in men and woman are the same.

But I do think sexual urges of Woman are underestimated in a lot of these games and the corruption of these woman in my mind are very one side by the girls being abused until they like the abuse.
That is certainly a way of corruption (and I do not think it should disappear, some ppl like it for sure), but surely that is not the only way?

Surely one can have a corruption game where the female starts of being Naïve, but becomes an sexual animal due her own decisions instead of being raped/blackmailed around every corner.
GGGB being as popular as it is shows me that there is definitely a market for that.Maybe it's then not defined as a corruption game anymore?

I found in RL that some woman that are shy and don't do French kissing etc. becomes wild after the barriers are broken down. That is why I found the "Stairway to heaven" trope, like in DMD, so amusing. It's not the way woman functions in my experience. Once you moved past a certain stage it's more like a wall coming down and some woman becomes almost insatiable for sex. (Btw, this is not a dis on DMD. I still love that game)

Playing a female MC becoming an sexual animal from the naïve, shy girl without blackmail/rape would be refreshing.
like GGGB (I like Coceter Chronicles, I love Daddy as Female MC as well, but there the MC starts off with a high sex drive)