VN Ren'Py Race of Life [Ep. 3.1 Extra Fix v3] [Underground Studio]

[Krytax123]

Well, I don't mean to be rude but you're speaking for yourself, buddy. The high tiers pledges voted and paid for those extra scenes, so like it or not it does matter. Personally I don't mind those extra scenes at all.

I mean, i cant be for sure as im not a patreon for RoL at the moment. But usually and in my experience the amount of people who really like/crave extra stuff like this is extraordinary small and im sure the number of people who subs at a higher tier just to get these scenes is like nonexistant.

The pledges usually pay to support the dev and not for a single dev decision. And how was the vote for the extra scenes designed, your statement would only be valid in case there was the possibility to vote for "please no extra scenes and focus on the story" and i strongly doubt that.

Imo all this extra stuff is more like a trap for devs, maybe increasing the short term income a bit but stall the whole project (and avn developtment is slow in general) simply too much. How much time will they have invested in the extra scenes if RoL is completed? 6 months? A years?

They could used this time to finish RoL earlier and start a new game already or even increase the scope of RoL. Other devs have proven that having one good avn under your belt when starting your second really increases your support and stability.

So yeah as long as you cant prove that the majority of the patreons indeed want these extra scenes so badly in case of this avn, i dont believe you.

What are these extra scenes even? Nothing more than little porn-clips without any meaning or connection to anything, entirely useless.

 

[bitsybobs3]

Imo all this extra stuff is more like a trap for devs, maybe increasing the short term income a bit but stall the whole project (and avn developtment is slow in general) simply too much. How much time will they have invested in the extra scenes if RoL is completed? 6 months? A years?

They could used this time to finish RoL earlier and start a new game already or even increase the scope of RoL. Other devs have proven that having one good avn under your belt when starting your second really increases your support and stability.

I'm sorry, but the Project Manager position at Underground Studios is already taken.
I'll be sure to forward your resume to Jachu, though, and we'll call you back, okay?

Many thanks!

 

[Krytax123]

I'm sorry, but the Project Manager position at Underground Studios is already taken.
I'll be sure to forward your resume to Jachu, though, and we'll call you back, okay?

Many thanks!

Sorry for stateting my opinion about a avn and the development of the avn which i really like. I will try to not ever mention anything i dislike about a good avn again to not offend your fragile fanboy feelings.

And its not something specific for this avn, different devs use different monetization strategies which is obviously fine and their decision. I simply stated that I would prefer it in another way and that i think (!) its the better long term decision, feel free to ignore me if thats too much for you to bare.

Seems like i offended quite a few people with my comment, im not really sure if you guys really like extra scenes or just feel the strong desire to defend anything about an avn you like, no matter what?

 

[LizaS]

Defending the extra/bonus scenes is crazy. It literally takes precious development time away from an already 6-8months/update.

It's like watching a show, but wanting to see spin-offs as well. But it also slows down how fast the next seasons of the show becomes available to the viewers.

If you need to take a break from the "main body of work" to add "a little variety", the main plot is losing your interest. Plain and simple.

"Patrons paid and voted for it" doesn't necessarily mean they wanted it. It was just because it's already a benefit for the tier, they didn't have a say on it. I also am one of the patrons who voted for the next scene, but would rather have that development time focused on the main game instead. I don't have a say on it, because the dev clearly wants to have those extra/bonus scenes. Which is non-canon, might I add.

Don't get me wrong, I like the extra scenes. It just is frustrating that it also slows down the main game.

These people who defends this also have said that another developer should stop developing two games and instead focus on one game.

Crazy.

 

[Dessolos]

Defending the extra/bonus scenes is crazy. It literally takes precious development time away from an already 6-8months/update.

It's like watching a show, but wanting to see spin-offs as well. But it also slows down how fast the next seasons of the show becomes available to the viewers.

If you need to take a break from the "main body of work" to add "a little variety", the main plot is losing your interest. Plain and simple.

"Patrons paid and voted for it" doesn't necessarily mean they wanted it. It was just because it's already a benefit for the tier, they didn't have a say on it. I also am one of the patrons who voted for the next scene, but would rather have that development time focused on the main game instead. I don't have a say on it, because the dev clearly wants to have those extra/bonus scenes. Which is non-canon, might I add.

Don't get me wrong, I like the extra scenes. It just is frustrating that it also slows down the main game.

These people who defends this also have said that another developer should stop developing two games and instead focus on one game.

Crazy.

I agree with this tho I will say this much. I prefer the extra scene method instead of the Ocean method of making 2 games if it is used as a way to fight against burnout but if it isnt done for burnout then yeah I dislike it even more.

 

[Krytax123]

I agree with this tho I will say this much. I prefer the extra scene method instead of the Ocean method of making 2 games if it is used as a way to fight against burnout but if it isnt done for burnout then yeah I dislike it even more.

Im the opposite, the approach you mentioned at least adds the possibility for new canon content/information or even mystery, maybe it would be better to do only one game but at the same time you could consider it as one game with a huge amount of flashbacks.

While the extra scenes in RoL add nothing but eye-candy and a quick fuck scene which (for me) even includes the possibility to ruin the tension for the real story if we get "special" lewds with characters before something like that ever happened in the real story.

 

[Dessolos]

Im the opposite, the approach you mentioned at least adds the possibility for new canon content/information or even mystery, maybe it would be better to do only one game but at the same time you could consider it as one game with a huge amount of flashbacks.

While the extra scenes in RoL add nothing but eye-candy and a quick fuck scene which (for me) even includes the possibility to ruin the tension for the real story if we get "special" lewds with characters before something like that ever happened in the real story.

hmmm didn't think about it like that. Was more thinking on the lines on extra scene isn't alot of dev time compared to a second game. Which is why I was saying I prefer this method but true if a dev can pull 2 games off at a good speed then yeah I agree with this. Cause at least a second game you get content and the extra scenes adds nothing.

 

[SerHawkes]

Defending the extra/bonus scenes is crazy. It literally takes precious development time away from an already 6-8months/update.

Yeah... because the devs aren't already working on the main body it REALLY takes away that 'precious development time' to put out a little extra that takes 1-2 months to do, on top of already working on the main game.



Honestly, its the devs choice in the matter. If they want to do something a little extra like theses one shot little stories to had a bit of lewdity, so be it. It's not hurting anyone or even hurting the development time at all, despite the outlandish claim that it is. Some people like the extras, others don't. Me, I don't care nor do I do not care for them. S

 

[UndergroundStudio]

Well, the animations for the extra scene literally took one week to pose and render. Now I’m working on static renders while beta-team tests the main game. I don’t see that huge waste of time some of you guys imply.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Im the opposite, the approach you mentioned at least adds the possibility for new canon content/information or even mystery, maybe it would be better to do only one game but at the same time you could consider it as one game with a huge amount of flashbacks.

While the extra scenes in RoL add nothing but eye-candy and a quick fuck scene which (for me) even includes the possibility to ruin the tension for the real story if we get "special" lewds with characters before something like that ever happened in the real story.

This, nothing I hate more than getting lewds in customs and extras before you had a chance in the main game. Completely ruins the expectation, same with dream scenarios.

 

[anonnyscouse]

Defending the extra/bonus scenes is crazy. It literally takes precious development time away from an already 6-8months/update.

It's like watching a show, but wanting to see spin-offs as well. But it also slows down how fast the next seasons of the show becomes available to the viewers.

If you need to take a break from the "main body of work" to add "a little variety", the main plot is losing your interest. Plain and simple.

"Patrons paid and voted for it" doesn't necessarily mean they wanted it. It was just because it's already a benefit for the tier, they didn't have a say on it. I also am one of the patrons who voted for the next scene, but would rather have that development time focused on the main game instead. I don't have a say on it, because the dev clearly wants to have those extra/bonus scenes. Which is non-canon, might I add.

Don't get me wrong, I like the extra scenes. It just is frustrating that it also slows down the main game.

These people who defends this also have said that another developer should stop developing two games and instead focus on one game.

Crazy.

Classygoat also does extra scenes as well though. I'd prefer a week or two's development to go on extra scenes than to go on 2 or 3 pointless minigames to be honest.

 

[Darkdevil66]

Well, the animations for the extra scene literally took one week to pose and render. Now I’m working on static renders while beta-team tests the main game. I don’t see that huge waste of time some of you guys imply.

Yep, but the things is, pirates here are dying to teach you how you should handle your business

 

[SerHawkes]

Yep, but the things is, pirates here are dying to teach you how you should handle your business

I think they more want to snu snu Jam Jam and are wanting things rushed. This isn't ORS people, alright.

 

[RPDL]

feeling upset much, eh?
didnt take your medication just yet?

Not a good look dude. You're better than making jokes about stuff like this.

 

[Lathe29]

It's not hurting anyone or even hurting the development time at all, despite the outlandish claim that it is.

Weird take in an already condescending post. Of course it takes away from development time. If you're spending time writing/posing/rendering bonus scenes it takes away from the main project. It isn't really a controversial statement nor is it being overtly critical.

Happy for the people that like them but for me its unnecessary. Its still slightly better than deciding to spend time and rework old scenes or start a second project entirely but I'd still rather see devs finish a project first.

 

[Abhai]

Well, I don't mean to be rude but you're speaking for yourself, buddy. The high tiers pledges voted and paid for those extra scenes, so like it or not it does matter. Personally I don't mind those extra scenes at all.

Not to mention short stories add a little variety and can be means to take a break from the main body of work while keeping fans somewhat interested in the game and story. Simple one-shots.

Certainly better than 20 different minigames each outting.

I mean I agree about the your take on the extra scene bit I was more talking about the fact that he is disappointed in the fact there is only 86 animations. Which is why I said to him .....

I'm sorry, but the Project Manager position at Underground Studios is already taken.
I'll be sure to forward your resume to Jachu, though, and we'll call you back, okay?

Well, the animations for the extra scene literally took one week to pose and render. Now I’m working on static renders while beta-team tests the main game. I don’t see that huge waste of time some of you guys imply.

my point is explained quite well already (thanks!), so im not gonna dwell further into it.
im just gonna say "halfway house" - if you are "gamers" as you obviously think of yourelves, you should be quite familiar with that game - how it was at the beginning, how it is now (extra/bonus scenes as a turning point).
i just hope this game wont turn into another "halfay baked piece"...only the time will tell.

 

[Darkdevil66]

my point is explained quite well already (thanks!), so im not gonna dwell further into it.
im just gonna say "halfway house" - if you are "gamers" as you obviously think of yourelves, you should be quite familiar with that game - how it was at the beginning, how it is now (extra/bonus scenes as a turning point).
i just hope this game wont turn into another "halfay baked piece"...only the time will tell.

Precisely, it's actually the other way around here. Unlike Az, UndergroundStudio delivers the bonus content AFTER the actual updates, instead of spending two year delivering nothing but bonus content. Like mentionned previously, ClassyLemon does the same thing.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Yep, but the things is, pirates here are dying to teach you how you should handle your business

18 games I've spent various amounts of money in my time around here and every single one of them I played here first, but sure advice devs not to treat this place as potential customers. Imagine being on a pirate site and thinking you are better than the rest of the plebs

 

[Leongen43]

Well, the animations for the extra scene literally took one week to pose and render. Now I’m working on static renders while beta-team tests the main game. I don’t see that huge waste of time some of you guys imply.

You're right ROL is a great game that I like and those negative reviews are the same boring nonconformists as always, great job keep up the good work I hope to see hot sex with Jasmine at some point

 

[LizaS]

Yeah... because the devs aren't already working on the main body it REALLY takes away that 'precious development time' to put out a little extra that takes 1-2 months to do, on top of already working on the main game.

LMAO. Yeah, that's not a lot of time, you're right.

Honestly, its the devs choice in the matter.

Yep. Agreed. And all the best to them. It's frustrating, but I wouldn't get out of my way to make them stop it. 'Cause I also enjoy 'em.

Well, the animations for the extra scene literally took one week to pose and render. Now I’m working on static renders while beta-team tests the main game. I don’t see that huge waste of time some of you guys imply.

Thanks for the clarification! Curious, how much time would you think planning, writing, coding, posing and rendering static renders for the bonus scenes entails?