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Very nice input. I was not involved with DMD in the beginning, but it does have the quality you speak of (take Roman Holiday and other movies). Obviously, as the VN progressed D has been “growing up” and that is a goal of mine to keep the character progressing towards further character growth.

I was on Melody from the beginning and it structured more as two semi-broken character finding each other and growing into a relationship (though, personally, I keep,pushing for the story and characters to be a bit darker and edgy - but this is a project by consensus with the final call by MDots and Hearsz).
"Roman Holiday" is a great parallel ! Yes, as you and others here have discussed, I guess Chapter 3 was hoped to offer more of the growth and real-world elements into (what I have felt was) a fantasy which finally gets realized. Because, now that 20 is out, the real work begins for these characters. It seems that the team has decided to make their big play and so much can go either or both wrong and right, from now on. For all the triumphs that this lastest installment offered, I feel more nervous and worried for these characters than every before - even since the end of Chapter 1.

That's very interesting insight you shared on the Melody plot: although I feel it's clear that the MC needs to rebuild his own life through the story, up to this point I was seeing Melody as the both the catalyst and reason to do so. The two-character purpose you mention makes very clear sense with respect to what's been offered thus far, though I feel that the MC is less "semi-broken" and more "taking a step back to reassess where to go next" from how he's been portrayed thus far.

Still, anyone who has gone through a break-up or divorce knows what it's like to feel at least a bit broken, so maybe Melody is more of a healing spell that also remakes his outlook...
 

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Elena had a talk with D's father before that, on the train and he never denied it.
She never stated that she knew what was going on, but she gave him the advice to make D's first time special and romantic.
Yes. Elena and the DAD. Not the DAUGHTER (D).
There is no confrontation with the daughter, but Elena is outright calling the Dad&Daughter relation out in the talk at the school - to which the Daughter's reply is .. pretty much nothing.
 
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So, I have played through 20 via my preferred D-only path and am now going back through it with the "harem" enabled. Then, I'll try D-only again to ensure all the perspectives make sense.

Because I am so verklempt right now. Why am I so emotionally invested in D's present happiness and future well-being? :)

And incredibly nervous about their futures, despite the massive crescendo of their latest day:
  • Rachel still wants to win, win, win and now she wants to save face, too
  • Elena still has that incriminating picture and D has said she has loose lips
  • MC needs a job and might be in competition with Richard (and his brother, assuming he gets out of jail somehow) if he goes for photography
  • D is going to experience the post-honeymoon phase for the first time in her life... reality is not a fairy tale, but learning to love despite the daily grind is sublime
  • If you are on the harem route, Georgina and Jennifer are potentially disruptive players
On the tangentially plus side, we continue to hear about more incestuous relationships passing by their lives, so perhaps they will find comaraderie and/or support in unexpected places.

How many installments are we expecting for Chapter 2, again? Wondering about how much opportunity there is to begin dealing with these and other issues.

Without a Chapter 3, I've said that it would be fine if we are left with a somewhat ambiguous ending, but there would need to be viable, compelling possibilities we can consider before that could happen. Right now, it feels like we're essentially at a new Day 1.
 
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Yes. Elena and the DAD. Not the DAUGHTER (D).
There is no confrontation with the daughter, but Elena is outright calling the Dad&Daughter relation out in the talk at the school - to which the Daughter's reply is .. pretty much nothing.
D was shown thinking to herself that Elena is not stupid and that everything she offered made perfect sense. D was already gone in her mind and heart by that point and just accepted that Elena was being the same, supportive friend that she has been portrayed as consistently in this VN, I feel.
 

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Quick FYI. If you're encountering this error when saving a game:

Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 282, in __call__
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 372, in __call__
    renpy.save(fn, extra_info=save_name)
RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded while pickling an object
While it needs a proper fix, you can temporary solve this by typing this in the console:
sys.setrecursionlimit(2000)

or make an empty file in \DMD.CH2-0.20-pc\game\ , name it whatever (but add .rpy as a fileextension) and in a texteditor type in:
init 1:
python hide:
sys.setrecursionlimit(2000)


..You just need any value over the default, 1000.
This should help you save your game properly for now.

If this have already been mention, sorry for spamming. But not reading this thread yet due to potential spoilers.

Enjoy what seems like a really good DMD-release so far :giggle:
Cool, thanks.

I found that after deleting all the auto*.save files in

x:\Users\account\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\DMD-1469236204

and

x:\DMD.CH2-0.20-pc\game\saves

That I was able to make new saves without that error message, as well. YMMV.
 
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She was the bar waitress and then the casino cashier - she was again included out of whimsy. Running joke that some of the side characters pop up multiple places (pizza boy/usher) - (ice cream guy/camera salesman) - (beach dude coming onto D/bar shoplifter “beer run” dude)
So then Jeff do you pat your real niece on the ass?????
 

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I feel like i'm missing something in the second chapter ... where exactly do D and Elena jump from "oh, is she doing something with her Dad?" to "If you and your Dad want to bring your relationship to the next level, i told him about my first time and told him to make it romantic" ... feels like there are scenes missing.... >_> ..... (plus even when i didn't call Jennifer, but Martin, the Dad still mentions Jen's panties under the pillow ... buggy game/save file?)
Yeah I was about to post the exact same thing. Elena never let D know she knew.

Somehow you missed Elena seeing D and her father sleeping in bed naked together, and after D's day on the farm, Elena got a picture of D and her father doing very very naughty things.
Yes, Elena knows something is going on but D doesn't know that Elena does. Yet what Elena tells D is (para-phrasing) "I spoke to your father and if you two decide to take your relationship to the next level I think he's going to make it very romantic for you". At that point D reacts as if they've already discussed this and even mentions Elena knowing everything about her but this conversation never happened.
 

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So, I have played through 20 via my preferred D-only path and am now going back through it with the "harem" enabled. Then, I'll try D-only again to ensure all the perspectives make sense.

Because I am so verklempt right now. Why am I so emotionally invested in D's present happiness and future well-being? :)

And incredibly nervous about their futures, despite the massive crescendo of their latest day:
  • Rachel still wants to win, win, win and now she wants to save face, too
  • Elena still has that incriminating picture and D has said she has loose lips
  • MC needs a job and might be in competition with Richard (and his brother, assuming he gets out of jail somehow) if he goes for photography
  • D is going to experience the post-honeymoon phase for the first time in her life... reality is not a fairy tale, but learning to love despite the daily grind is sublime
  • If you are on the harem route, Georgina and Jennifer are potentially disruptive players
On the tangentially plus side, we continue to hear about more incestuous relationships passing by their lives, so perhaps they will find comaraderie and/or support in unexpected places.

How many installments are we expecting for Chapter 2, again? Wondering about how much opportunity there is to begin dealing with these and other issues.

Without a Chapter 3, I've said that it would be fine if we are left with a somewhat ambiguous ending, but there would need to be viable, compelling possibilities we can consider before that could happen. Right now, it feels like we're essentially at a new Day 1.
you just had to say verklempt and make me remember michael meyers as an old jewish woman.... talk amongst yourselves.
 

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I hear what you are saying. But, to a certain point, MDots has dictated certain things are going to be Game Enders.

By the way, I also hear what you are saying about cream pies and it not having to be a big deal for most women.

However, let’s look at a DMD worst case scenario in terms of game releases. Let’s say 4 releases in 2019 at two days game time each release. For D to have a safe creampie follows by a knowing pregnancy - she’d need one of the following:

- Iud;
- diaphragm;
- after sex pill;
- or rhythm method

The game so far has used the pill (Elena) and condoms.

I just don’t see the story taking the time to do iud/diaphragm/etc. instead, imo D will use withdrawal or condom until we get to mutual pregnancy risk. (Btw, I’ve advocated for D to have a latex allergy - just to complicate matters, but that ida has not been bought off).

I personally am hoping for and am advocating a “withdrawal method” until the time comes that D and MC want to have a baby.
I am personally hopeing for 3 things. Anal, god i hope some form of harem ending (prefer Georgina, D, and E), and
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