RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3 : The Peacekeepers [Update 12] [N_taii]

[inye59]

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OOOh man that guide was enlighting!!!

 

[quandin]

Nobody is saying that Female MC games are bad, i can also guarantee that nobody has ever stopped playing one because they were afraid that they might turn gay because of them. (?????? xddd)

For example i've played a lot of games with a female protag and i liked most of them, but i still agree with BBC King when it comes to NTR, hell even if i played every single Female Protag game on the face of the planet i would still agree with him, when it comes to NTR and cheating on your SO, Female MC games are simply inferior to Male MC games almost every single time.

I've played Nightmare Knight, President Yukino, the 2 most recent games from GapTax (RaiOhGar), i've played almost every game from ONEONE1 (Samurai Vandalism), most games from Heisendou, one of my all time favourite game is GOOD GIRL GONE BAD, a game where you can cheat on your boyfriend in a million different ways, but i would still take a game like Henteria, Scars of Summer or Dark Hero Party over any Female Protagonist game if i wanna see NTR and cheating.

dark hero party was so ass man, I dropped it mid way

 

[Matoga]

dark hero party was so ass man, I dropped it mid way

I didn't really like it either but that was the first game i thought of while i was writing it for some reason.

 

[Oriandu]

By definition I dont believe a Female MC can be NTR. When its a female you are not having your loved ones stolen away, there is no sense of loss. A female MC has sex, gets corrupted, slutty, etc.

Getting back to basics what do people look for when they play an NTR or specifically a Netorare game? Loss. When you are playing as a Male you are not having sex, you are not spending time, you are not getting your happy ending. (or atleast imo no netorare game should have a happy ending because the whole point is the defilement and loss)

If I am playing a game with a big titty, bubble butt, smoking hot girl who gets laid all over town while my husband/significant other wonders where I am...thats not NTR.

Now there are exceptions to this rule. If you allow multiple POVs then you can bypass the restriction but for it to count as NTR I think you MUST show the Male's POV at some point, if a game is solely only playing as the female then I do not consider it an NTR game, I consider it a Cheating/Corruption game.

A female lead story can be NTR, it just has to be treated like male lead NTR. There's an entire swath of doujin that are considered NTR with female leads but they typically only feature the husband or boyfriend in the periphery. The male partner is never featured, they often don't even have lines, or they're presented in a manner that indicates that they're disinterested in sex with their wife or girlfriend, are already cheating, or in some way emotionally distant. Those videos, comics, and games to me at least, fall far more into the cheating category than NTR. Like the whole "I haven't had sex with my husband since we got pregnant." and their son is like 17 years old and the person she starts fucking is her son's best friend thing. The husband and son are unaware for the most part and somehow this is NTR. It's not. This is just one example but it's common across female lead NTR, but it's an extremely common one that avoids vilifying the woman and her new partner.

Female lead NTR is certainly possible. A few posts ago, Turning the Page, was linked to. This is a female lead NTR game that is pretty effective with its NTR. The female lead is the main character with her husband playing the role as a secondary character that can be played as to experience some events from his POV and to show his motivation or lack thereof. Even if you ignore his perspective it's pretty clear that proper NTR is on its way. The story starts as blackmail, moves onto cheating when the husband consistently puts his work before the needs of his wife, breaks promises with her, and doesn't prioritize her on days when he should, and escalates to the point where the MC and her partner are emasculating her husband behind his back and prioritizing sex with each other. The most recent update has a sex scene that swaps back and forth between Sophie cumming her brains out on her cheating partner and her having sex with her husband that literally starts with her wondering if he'd even put it in. Sooner or later her husband will learn she's cheating and in the meantime she's clearly full of disdain for him despite her claims to love him. NTR is happening and would be happening regardless of whether or not you play the game from the husband's perspective. The husband will be devastated when he finds out and Sophie is definitely already set up to get caught up in it and laugh at him while she rides a bigger dick.

First i wasn't exacly thrilled about the fact that we're only gonna get Haylen in Update12 either, but with each passing PoL i'm looking forward to it more and more, especially after yesterday.
I haven't got the slightest clue on what's gonna happen but for some reason my guts are telling me that this Quest will improve Haylen's story and corruption by a MILE, and i'm not saying that because from now on she's gonna be having sex in every Update she's featured in. xd
I guess i'm probably just high on copium.

I'm still somewhat neutral towards it in part because one of the scenes is wasted on the other nun, but also because I don't want to get my hopes up. That said the scene teased in the recent PoL where she's giving head to Jazon while Leto is in the room hits once of my fetishes so at least I'll enjoy that somewhat.

 

[Matoga]

I'm still somewhat neutral towards it in part because one of the scenes is wasted on the other nun, but also because I don't want to get my hopes up. That said the scene teased in the recent PoL where she's giving head to Jazon while Leto is in the room hits once of my fetishes so at least I'll enjoy that somewhat.

I don't know what tier you're in but i'm pretty sure that that's the extra scene.

Also Leto is not in the same room as Haylen and Jazon while the scene is happening, at least not yet, what i've gathered from that image is that Haylen starts blowing Jazon while Leto is somewhere else, and when we walk back to the dining room where the scene is currently happening, once we step on the question mark at the end of the corridor we trigger a cutscene where either of 2 things can happen, either Haylen notices Leto before he enters the room and stops, or Jazon pushes her under the table to finish and then proceeds to tell Leto that he doesn't know where Haylen is.


BBC King's gonna post the PoL sooner or later anyways so i don't see the harm putting this here, at least others will have some context when they read this.

 

[Roninsan]

For you arguing with me was apparently the most important day of your life... but for me it was Tuesday.

Nah, don't flatter yourself. Your opinion meant no shit for me before, and now even more.

The "the sky is not pink" reference was the peak... With that you made clear that you really do believe that thousands of NTR videos and eroges are wrongly labeled, and your opinion is the right one for some reason... laughable.

 

[inye59]

A female lead story can be NTR, it just has to be treated like male lead NTR. There's an entire swath of doujin that are considered NTR with female leads but they typically only feature the husband or boyfriend in the periphery. The male partner is never featured, they often don't even have lines, or they're presented in a manner that indicates that they're disinterested in sex with their wife or girlfriend, are already cheating, or in some way emotionally distant. Those videos, to me at least, fall far more into the cheating category than NTR. Like the whole "I haven't had sex with my husband since we got pregnant." and their son is like 17 years old and the person she starts fucking is her son's best friend. The husband and son are unaware for the most part and somehow this is NTR. It's not. This is just one example but it's common across female lead NTR, but it's an extremely common one that avoids vilifying the woman and her new partner.

Female lead NTR is certainly possible. A few posts ago, Turning the Page, was linked to. This is a female lead NTR game that is pretty effective with its NTR. The female lead is the main character with her husband playing the role as a secondary character that can be played as to experience some events from his POV and to show his motivation or lack thereof. Even if you ignore his perspective it's pretty clear that proper NTR is on its way. The story starts as blackmail, moves onto cheating when the husband consistently puts his work before the needs of his wife, breaks promises with her, and doesn't prioritize her on days when he should, and escalates to the point where the MC and her partner are emasculating her husband behind his back and prioritizing sex with each other. The most recent update has a sex scene that swaps back and forth between Sophie cumming her brains out on her cheating partner and her having sex with her husband that literally starts with her wondering if he'd even put it in. Sooner or later her husband will learn she's cheating and in the meantime she's clearly full of disdain for him despite her claims to love him. NTR is happening and would be happening regardless of whether or not you play the game from the husband's perspective. The husband will be devastated when he finds out and Sophie is definitely already set up to get caught up in it and laugh at him while she rides a bigger dick.


I'm still somewhat neutral towards it in part because one of the scenes is wasted on the other nun, but also because I don't want to get my hopes up. That said the scene teased in the recent PoL where she's giving head to Jazon while Leto is in the room hits once of my fetishes so at least I'll enjoy that somewhat.

I'm not so sure... The receiving end should always be the male. The betrayed partner's behavior is different for males and females. For males, it has more impact as they feel emasculated, have more time to jump into relationships, and carry more psychological burden. For females, it's very different. It's still hurtful, and the feeling of betrayal is there, but they tend to move on way faster and in better shape. Sure they all are individuals and respond differently to betrayal regardless of their gender.

 

[Oriandu]

I don't know what tier you're in but i'm pretty sure that that's the extra scene.

Also Leto is not in the same room as Haylen and Jazon while the scene is happening, at least not yet, what i've gathered from that image is that Haylen starts blowing Jazon while Leto is somewhere else, and when we walk back to the dining room where the scene is currently happening, once we step on the question mark at the end of the corridor we trigger a cutscene where either of 2 things can happen, either Haylen notices Leto before he enters the room and stops, or Jazon pushes her under the table to finish and then proceeds to tell Leto that he doesn't know where Haylen is.


BBC King's gonna post the PoL sooner or later anyways so i don't see the harm putting this here, at least others will have some context when they read this.
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I view the second nun as a complete waste of a character, so whether or not she's the extra scene does not really affect me. Her very existence undercuts Haylen in a way that makes the story less interesting which to me is a major problem since Jazon already makes Haylen's story shitty by being such a basic, unoriginal character with no real motivations outside of being a horny asshole.

The HC games tend to hit specific fetishes with characters. Rose is the princess and her fetish looks like it's going to be getting carried away with pleasure, Cyanna's fetish is pity... I guess, Lily feels like hers is going to wind up being femdom, and I'm hoping Haylen's winds up being public sex. So even if Leto is out of the room when the blowjob begins, which he clearly is, there's still the public aspect of it. It'd be fun if she was giving a sermon in a free roam scene as Jazon is hiding behind the pulpet giving her head while she's trying to preach. The scene has potential to start Haylen down a much more interesting path.

I'm not so sure... The receiving end should always be the male. The betrayed partner's behavior is different for males and females. For males, it has more impact as they feel emasculated, have more time to jump into relationships, and carry more psychological burden. For females, it's very different. It's still hurtful, and the feeling of betrayal is there, but they tend to move on way faster and in better shape. Sure they all are individuals and respond differently to betrayal regardless of their gender.

I don't disagree that men make better NTR victims than women, that much is definitely true. Men have certain societal pressures to be strong, upstanding caretakers and when a woman cheats that undercuts their strength as men and makes them look like they're unable to properly look after their family. However women can still be the victims of NTR, you just have to go about things a certain way that specifically shames them in some way that specifically devalues them as women.

 

[Matoga]

I view the second nun as a complete waste of a character, so whether or not she's the extra scene does not really affect me.

I wasn't very clear about which scene i was talking about so that's on me, but i meant the Haylen blowjob under the table, i think that's gonna be the extra scene.

A quote from yesterday's PoL: "I didn't expect it to take this long, but I went and added an extra scene for Jazon and Haylen I thought would fit well."
There is a possibility that N_Taii is not talking about THIS scene specifically, but the extra scene is for Haylen that's for sure.

Cyanna's fetish is pity

I pretty sure Cyanna's fetish is self degradation. xdd

 

[NutInShell]

I didn't really like it either but that was the first game i thought of while i was writing it for some reason.

Truth be told dark hero party is unique and special in many ways..
For once when it came out the only darker game (and still the darkest on my opninion) was the obedient filia series, so not really much reference for players to brace for impact.
Also it was the first game that after all the cuck railroad it gave you the freedom to conclude the story

Last but not least it had high quality writing coding and art for the time it came out. And still has up to this day.

 

[Oriandu]

I wasn't very clear about which scene i was talking about so that's on me, but i meant the Haylen blowjob under the table, i think that's gonna be the extra scene.

A quote from yesterday's PoL: "I didn't expect it to take this long, but I went and added an extra scene for Jazon and Haylen I thought would fit well."
There is a possibility that N_Taii is not talking about THIS scene specifically, but the extra scene is for Haylen that's for sure.



I pretty sure Cyanna's fetish is self degradation. xdd

Oh God, I really hope that isn't the extra scene, Oriandu loves him some under the table shenanigans.

As for Cyanna's fetish... Yeaaaah, her personal fetish is definitely degrading herself. From our perspective all I really feel for her is pity... which kind of leaves me stumped as to what her actual purpose is in terms of her content.

 

[Miss Y]

I pretty sure Cyanna's fetish is self degradation. xdd

On the one hand: I think you're right, and sincerely hope so because that would be extremely up my alley.

But on the other: that would be very disappointing... because if that is Cyanna's angle, it would mean that Haylen wouldn't get as much of it and that's basically the only thing I'm hoping can salvage her relationship with Jazon for me once he finally drops the "nice guy" act with her.

 

[Derioner]

The game only goes up to mission 11, right after the party where the princesses and the military fight?

 

[Federok88]

dark hero party was so ass man, I dropped it mid way

you did yourself a favor.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

Why not? I mean it just you in your head with the things you find hot at the moment, you can be disgusted with it later.
I think your problem, that fixation on Male MC for cuckolding games is the one Female MC's fans have with ugly bastards, y'all put yourself too much in the game and just forget that's not actually you on the screen. It's a bad way of thinking because you lock yourself out of so many games.

While you are here fighting tooth and nails for your cuckolding pov because that's the only thing you enjoy, I'm totally relax because I enjoy that pov too, I enjoy the Female Pov and its many advantages a lot more, I enjoy also Netori games (Not a lot of good ones out there, Taffy tales is by far the best), I also enjoy playing the dog/goblin or anything else (Shout out to Dog Fuck IDOL only real ones know)

I'm able to enjoy all of those because I don't take them too seriously. And from that point I say the Female MC Netorare games are better, not because they are Female MC but because they provide a better story and experience in general, That's why I want the next game from N_taii to have a Female protag. Basically we will trade the pure blood aryan NTR game number 4 for a different perspective that allows NTR for you, quality for me and something else for someone else.
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You are right on the money with "Most NTR games are designed that way" That's what makes them overused and get that feeling of predictability, It's a lot harder to come with something entreating when everyone does it.

You want me to give you an extreme example? A page before I gave example of pixelated NTR games with male protagonists, I will give you 1 screenshot from those games and their description from f95:

NTRPG:

"The girl you love is embraced by another guy, and all you can do is watch.

The protagonist does not speak, similar to DQ games. No battles.
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Henteria Chronicles, Chapter 1:
Henteria Chronicles, Chapter 1: The Lady and the butler - Casio and his older sister, Nestia, lost their parents during the Fourth Holy War that opposed the Monster Army and the Allied Races lead by the Humans. However, they are taken in by Lady Eleonora, a noble and former Valkyrie, to work in her manor as butler and maid. They spend ten wonderful years there. However, a shadow is lurking over their future...
(Please read Developer Notes below for more info)

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Nettle Pain:
Play as Fergus, a young man striving to become a hero and heir of the town’s dojo.
Life seems good for Fergus, as the dojo’s current master is the father of his childhood friend Makia – who seems to share his feelings, being very affectionate and supportive of our MC.

However, that's soon changed by the arrivial of Pilgas – former childhood friend of Fergus and Makia, and was the dojo’s best pupil up until his disappearance in an undisclosed incident.
Now that he's returned, he demands the dojo for himself, a claim that only Fergus can deny by beating Pilgas in a personal duel. As such, it is up to the MC to save the dojo, and keep his girl.

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Spiral Legend V:
This one dosen't have an overview but basically Ridley is your childhood friend, you were training with her father to become a knight but something occurs and you 2 run away, she has feelings for you but you are dummy so she gets stolen away by the black guy watching them in the pic below.

There is also another girl with her own route banal NTR route but this game dosen't have mutch H content.
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Damn I think I need to check out Spiral Legend. Never heard of it. Do you have a link?

Also, agreed on some points. There is all kinds of NTR, and even within one category (i.e. NTR vs. Netori or Type A vs. Type B, etc.) people can enjoy it from different POVs.

I personally enjoy the corruption of the FMC most of the time, which is why I prefer NTR (type B) the most, both from MC and from FMC perspectives are fine. I do even like FMC more because it focuses more on the act of cheating rather than the MC actively observing it. That is also why I prefer "hidden cheating" NTR that heavily implies that there is something to notice but in which the MC is either somewhat dense or in denial. Because I personally do not enjoy the MC getting off of being cheated on (turn-off for me). At the same time, while not disliking it, I also do not prefer Netori, for the simple reason that the focus is too much on the antagonist (or rather the person doing the cucking) most of the time, and because it is often written in a way that you either identify too much with them (they are better than the MC so you root for them) or that they are a typical macho guy stereotype who see women as objects, which I personally can't identify with too much either, even though I play these games as well and get a degree of enjoyment out of them.

Some people might ask "if the cheating is so great for you, why not play games with the cheating tag instead of NTR?". Because most "cheating" type games have the girl already be willing to cheat from the get go or be an incredibly horny nympho in general. Something similar goes for games with the "swinging" tag. The fact that it's already agreed upon and all parties consent makes it boring for me.

But yea, to get back to the OG point. We all have our preferences. But that does not mean that your preference (talking to the person you originally replied to) is what everyone or the "majority" of people want out of a (in this case NTR) game. I think there is a GOOD number of people (like me for example) who thoroughly enjoy FMC perspective NTR and for example also enjoy classic fantasy female knight (or similar types of) corruption games. That is a big crossover to name just one example. And it is true that the "male MC NTR type B" formula has become rather common and overused, and that a different perspective or twist (be that NTR by a girl to a girl or maybe also a girl as MC having her girlfriend taken away by a guy or a girl, or also just having a FMC perspective) and new and fun ways to spin a story can be really great for the genre in general.

dark hero party was so ass man, I dropped it mid way

There was a few main issues with dark hero party for me:

- girl(s) was not my type
- the MC was so pathetic and the gameplay kind of really frustrating and nothing that it was not enjoyable to play
- the revenge angle is neat but it took so long and was so roundabout that it failed to give the appropriate pay-off
- a bit too much focus on brutality, some of the art also almost went into gore-ish territory (not with blood and guts, but with bruises and shit and that just turned me off).

personal opinion ofc.

 

[saitamaTM]

me really hate duke

 

[inye59]

That's his purpose!! To hate him and make the Rose the giga-whore she always were intended to be.

 

[Matoga]

I love how there's like a 4 page long debate on whether or not Female Protagonist games are better than Male Protagonist games simply because i misread "Antagonist" as "Protagonist" in Oriandu's post and replied by saying that i wouldn't want a Female Protagonist HC game. xdd

 

[MachoGuy]

Damn I think I need to check out Spiral Legend. Never heard of it. Do you have a link?
personal opinion ofc.

Here but I warn you, this game sucks ass. the story is ok but they are like 6-7 h-scenes (And mostly black screen + text) over the 40-90h hours gameplay and is very easy to not get the NTR route, but if you pick the "NTR hell" option at the beginning you should be good.

But that does not mean that your preference (talking to the person you originally replied to) is what everyone or the "majority" of people want out of a (in this case NTR) game.

To be clear, I started the conversation by asking if in HC3 the girls sleep around with more people and find out that the game is exactly the same as HC2 which was exactly the same as HC1 which you will find out is exactly the same as Spiral legend.

And from that I said that I would prefer HC4 to be different and maybe have a FMC and from here the FMC conversation started.
So, the FMC is just my preference but I really think the majority at this point will like a change, any change, maybe not so dull MC? Maybe a more modern setting? Maybe more choices to shape the story? Maybe the length is too much and offers too little?

While I Intended to start a conversation about how we can improve the future game for everyone people focused more on the FMC part which is the devil around here, I'm surprised they are even ok with having women in the game seeing how against FMC they are.

That might be the future change for HC4, getting rid of females entirely and MC is getting his cheeks clap.

This dosen't sound half bad tbh

 

[Oriandu]

I love how there's like a 4 page long debate on whether or not Female Protagonist games are better than Male Protagonist games simply because i misread "Antagonist" as "Protagonist" in Oriandu's post and replied by saying that i wouldn't want a Female Protagonist HC game. xdd

All of the best arguments start by accident.