sorco2003

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First at all, I don't hesitate to smash Oceans nose on things that are wierd on my perceptions, BUT, on here comes the point. I do it with a civil manner and in a constructive way that Ocean can process it cleanly.

Secondly, the mistakes on Oceans side are marginal, if you consider the immense count of renders Ocean does in one update. Mind you, only with his own creativity and without the support of AI.

The picture from that dude you have posted was only one - keep in mind, only one with so many flaws!

You still refuse to give us the link to the source of this mighty "2070 owns all actual GPUs" heroes. We are not able to take a look at more *examples* of this render achievements.

At no time in the world had Ocean published one render with so many flaws, the one or another mistake is ok, we are still humans after all.

One of the most obvious mistakes in the last WIAB release was this:

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One from how many? 1200? Don't nail me for the numbers, I think the most get what my point is.
Only you saw that mistake having Katie like that!:cautious:
 

AlexFXR

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Idk how why you think it has been at a stand still for 3 years.
Since chapter 3 I'm still waiting:
1. Sasha and Nami have the same earring and what is the story behind them.
2. Nika decided to join the basketball team, in order to get into it you need to show yourself well in a game against the main team.
3.what about the family heirloom that Bella stole....
4. Nika decided to move with Mila and Robin to a new apartment.
5. In Chapter 3 it was said that the women's team would return in a couple of days. In reality, 3 years have already passed and the team has not arrived.
6. Nika decided to join the yoga club.
7. Continuation of the story with the women's toilet.
8. A provocative photo taken by a reporter.

If necessary I can continue the list. Unfortunately, during these 3 years, nothing important happened that could reveal the plot. If you want, we can analyze each chapter together.

Don't talk about it, just do it.
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Show me a dev that doesn't the same College Entry way is in Badik, CK, Eternum, and SG as well as a host of other games.
I'm not against this, I was just stating a fact.


Then they would be obviously wrong.
Why are they wrong? In most cases, no one draws trees; they are taken from the database. They are added to the database using AI, which analyzes ordinary photographs of trees and transfers them to the program. The sky and water also look like they were drawn by AI. You see how it turns out, if you look for it, you can suspect the work of AI in everything. And who is right can be argued endlessly.
 

Metal Panic

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Yeah, most of us didn't like her after first release, but changed our opinion since.
I haven't changed mines. So, speak for yourself and those like you.

I think the whole next-door drama happened way too fast... it's like, as soon as we go to her house for the first time.... BAM! gotta deal with her neighbor drama and etc. That could have happened later on or something. To me, that feels like more of a "middle" thing, rather than "right off the bat"

My opinion anyways. I just wish I could avoid her for the whole game. Avoid anyone and everyone if I wish to. Give me those options if I am the MC or am I just a slave to the Devs choices and what "he" wants us to do while "we" play.

"She's a big part of the story" I couldn't care less for her part in the story. Let me just skip/ignore her ass till my heart's content.
 

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You seem to dislike the idea of being called a hater. So I'll ask directly, do you like SG? Do you even casually enjoy the game?

That AI picture had a massive amount of short comings. Far more than the worst sg renders.

Ocean doesn't use AI to do anything. He pretty clearly uses daz. Daz has a massively distinct appearance from ai gen stuff. For starters ai tends to do flat skin without freckles and things like that.
At this point in time, good luck to anyone using AI to create hundreds of different renders of a specific fictional character that flawlessly and consistently represent that character's appearance. Maybe one day, but definitely not yet.

I also remember a Dev who once mulled using AI for Ren'py coding. LOL... the amount of time spent testing, auditing, and correcting AI-generated code would likely be greater than just writing the code manually.

The user you replied to will never quit their anti-SG/Ocean crusade. Many people use the block feature, but if everybody did that then the fallacies in that user's posts would go unchallenged.
 

RNasc4444

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Idk how why you think it has been at a stand still for 3 years
Dude...c'mon now... Haven't we spent the last 5 years of SG in like 2 weeks of in-game time??? The MC made plans to spar with Ayua back at the start of chapter 3. That was in the middle of the school week. Maybe a Tuesday or Wednesday. On that same week's Friday there is the basketball game and Bella tells you she is going away for the weekend. She returns that same night on a Saturday morning after the dinner at Nick's and spending the night at the Frohn's. Awkward breakfast, quick platonic nap, you go to Nia's (or not, in my case) then home, ride with Eva, meet Bella, encounter with the elder Ciril bitch, then book club, then rats and the Saturday ends spending the night at Nick's. Meeting Auya should be the next day, on Sunday iirc.

That's like 2.5 chapters over the course of 2/3 years? Sure you have quite a few scenes but they only span like 3 or 4 days at most. I guess it's a matter of opinion but I think it's fair to say that there was barely any progress at all in the narrative.
 

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Dude...c'mon now... Haven't we spent the last 5 years of SG in like 2 weeks of in-game time??? The MC made plans to spar with Ayua back at the start of chapter 3. That was in the middle of the school week. Maybe a Tuesday or Wednesday. On that same week's Friday there is the basketball game and Bella tells you she is going away for the weekend. She returns that same night on a Saturday morning after the dinner at Nick's and spending the night at the Frohn's. Awkward breakfast, quick platonic nap, you go to Nia's (or not, in my case) then home, ride with Eva, meet Bella, encounter with the elder Ciril bitch, then book club, then rats and the Saturday ends spending the night at Nick's. Meeting Auya should be the next day, on Sunday iirc.

That's like 2.5 chapters over the course of 2/3 years? Sure you have quite a few scenes but they only span like 3 or 4 days at most. I guess it's a matter of opinion but I think it's fair to say that there was barely any progress at all in the narrative.
Progress is slow. I've never denied that, but it hasn't been at a standstill. The chapters are arbitrary numbers renders are more concrete. From ch 3.5 to 5 is roughly 7,421 renders not counting remakes and other changes by my count with the game files. Remake adds about another 2,000. 10,000 renders is an absolutely massive amount for most games. This does not count animations.

For comparison Eternum (great game) has about 7,200 renders again excluding animations.

SG is what it is. Ocean likes reworks and will probably find other things to rework.
 

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I'm not against this, I was just stating a fact.



Why are they wrong? In most cases, no one draws trees; they are taken from the database. They are added to the database using AI, which analyzes ordinary photographs of trees and transfers them to the program. The sky and water also look like they were drawn by AI. You see how it turns out, if you look for it, you can suspect the work of AI in everything. And who is right can be argued endlessly.
Ocean uses Daz3d and maybe Blender in the future. Case is closed.

If you want to comment on AI, please go to these games AI CG.
 
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BobTheDuck

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I’ll answer two people at once, you wrote about the same thing. But I’m wondering why you are looking for flaws in this picture, but you don’t see such flaws in Ocean’s pictures? I understand that you are fans of Ocean and therefore do him some favors, but I believe that all works must be assessed adequately and equally, and for some reason you do not criticize Ocean’s work for its poor quality and shortcomings.

For example, in the last chapter of SG there is the largest number of imperfections, which is what everyone is complaining about. And at the picture where Bella's head goes through the glass, everyone laughed and condemned such a bad job. So Ocean can also be accused of making pictures using AI?
On this site, all Ocean fans do not see these problems and do not condemn anything. If I now start showing all of Ocean’s shortcomings, and there are a lot of them, then they will immediately call me a hater.
I really want you to evaluate all the works honestly, otherwise your criticism looks like double standards.
We're not looking for flaws - we're pointing out how much worse the quality is than what we've seen in OCeans work. Again, the fact that you can't see these problems but look for flaws in Ocean's work shows you have no aesthetic credibility or judgment. You keep undermining your own arguments with terrible examples that make people doubt your eyesight.

I think Ch5 Full will be over 10000 renders - Ocean's quality control is much higher than that one render provided tha thas so many flaws. You can't be taken seriously when this is your "smoking gun" for how Ocean is wasting his time leasing video cards. You've also shifted the argument - initially is was why 'Ocean ddoesn't need expensive video cards', now you've changed the your argument to 'Ocean makes mistakes'. No one is buying your point of view because you're just continually just shifting attacks, dropping what you were talking about. It's hard to see your point when you keep jumping around merely to attack from a different angle. If you want to have credible points, be consistent.

The burden of proof is on you, not us. We're actually quite calm and happy - we'd be happier with Ch5 full, but I guess we all have to find our copium somehow.

We can see the flaws in Ocean's work, but again, in the whole VN up to current, Ocean has far better quality control than that one render you used to show how Ocean could improve. That basically shows the whole thread what your opinion actually is.

Since chapter 3 I'm still waiting:
1. Sasha and Nami have the same earring and what is the story behind them.
2. Nika decided to join the basketball team, in order to get into it you need to show yourself well in a game against the main team.
3.what about the family heirloom that Bella stole....
4. Nika decided to move with Mila and Robin to a new apartment.
5. In Chapter 3 it was said that the women's team would return in a couple of days. In reality, 3 years have already passed and the team has not arrived.
6. Nika decided to join the yoga club.
7. Continuation of the story with the women's toilet.
8. A provocative photo taken by a reporter.

If necessary I can continue the list. Unfortunately, during these 3 years, nothing important happened that could reveal the plot. If you want, we can analyze each chapter together.


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I'm not against this, I was just stating a fact.



Why are they wrong? In most cases, no one draws trees; they are taken from the database. They are added to the database using AI, which analyzes ordinary photographs of trees and transfers them to the program. The sky and water also look like they were drawn by AI. You see how it turns out, if you look for it, you can suspect the work of AI in everything. And who is right can be argued endlessly.
Your points for the story not moving forward:

I call bullshit, you're just impatient to find out the things you want to know.

Since chapter three:

1. Sasha and Vanessa ask about the earring in Ch4 and we find out where Nami got it while on the bus - the plot advanced.
2. In Ch4 Nika gets the attention of the first team, and meets Aziz. He also gets the after hours training, furthering the plots between the coaches and the colleges. We also see Nika playing people from the other colleges in street basketball - the plot advanced.
3. Nika meets Vanessa, and tries to call off his and Bella's plans becaus ehe suspects Vanessa sees through them. Nika meets up with Bella because Stefan wants to see Bella. THey are concerned it's about the heirloom. When they meet up Officer Ceril shows up, and brings in another level of legal complication - plot advanced.
4. Nika was thinking about it in CH3, End of Ch5 he agrees when Mila suddenly leaves home and Nika's house has an infestation - plot advanced.
5. Okay, no one's back yet. But it hasn't been three year, it's the weekend in the game - plot hasn't advanced.
6, 7, 8. I think these were all in Ch3.5, so you haven't been waiting since CH3.
6. Didn't advance from 4-5, but it's the weekend.
7. In CH4 Nika spoke with Nami about the toilet incident and she shouted out to the pizza place that he shouldn't fuck in toilets (potential infront of other students from different colleges) and Nika met Robin's mum Charlie in Ch5, and there were effects regarding how Nika is perceived - the plot advanced even if it wasn't present in Ch3 - plot advanced.
8. In the pizza place in Ch4 we learn Aziz had issues with the reporter as well - plot advanced.

On top of that, since Ch3 we have:

- The table top plot line where we learn about Sonya, Nadia and Nancy. Nika gets violent with someone who might affect his future (one of the students).
- Nick's whole dinner, the revelation of Vanessa and the implications for the plot with Stefan, the after hours basketball training.
- The rodent infestation causing the Cyrus's to relocat to Nick's.
- Nia's plot line
- The bookclub, including the start of direct interactions with Sasha, the appearance of Katie.
- further developments in Bella's plotline, including revelations about her sister, her issues with Officer Ceril.
- Nika's adventures with a nipple pump.

So really what you're saying is, unless Ocean feeds you answers, you're too impatient and ignore all the other plots. There are other plots going on and they all have importance. We're still in the weekend in the game.

PS. Look at the paint job/texture of Bella's car. Her head isn't going through the glass at all, and windshield are curved. It's not the best render, because she's placed pretty awkwardly, but yeah, nothing's going through the glass. it's the crackle paint job texture of the framework. The top of her head is obscured behind the framework and we cant see the windshiled at this angle except from trough the door. Her neck should be bent more though, it's pretty unnatural.
 

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Dude...c'mon now... Haven't we spent the last 5 years of SG in like 2 weeks of in-game time??? The MC made plans to spar with Ayua back at the start of chapter 3. That was in the middle of the school week. Maybe a Tuesday or Wednesday. On that same week's Friday there is the basketball game and Bella tells you she is going away for the weekend. She returns that same night on a Saturday morning after the dinner at Nick's and spending the night at the Frohn's. Awkward breakfast, quick platonic nap, you go to Nia's (or not, in my case) then home, ride with Eva, meet Bella, encounter with the elder Ciril bitch, then book club, then rats and the Saturday ends spending the night at Nick's. Meeting Auya should be the next day, on Sunday iirc.

That's like 2.5 chapters over the course of 2/3 years? Sure you have quite a few scenes but they only span like 3 or 4 days at most. I guess it's a matter of opinion but I think it's fair to say that there was barely any progress at all in the narrative.
You listed most of the things that have happened since Ch3 and there are a lot, missed a few, but yeah. What you're describing is the problem of pacing. I found the tabletop to drag on even if I acknowledge it had some merit for developing certain characters, but I found the bookclub either revealed new angles to characters or depth to the plots. The speed of the plots developing is slow, no one can argue otherwise, but that is the game's aesthetic. The actual plot is how Nika reacts to all the changing circumstances and how he learns to overcome his weaknesses. We've seen quite a lot of development there - it's just that the time isn't advancing fast enough for some people, and most people what a plot about actions rather than character building. We don't even know if the ZPR politics stuff is central or peripheral to Nika's story - all we know is that it is the background reason there is tension regarding the first team, and that acts as a backdrop to Nika working to get in the team and get out of his head.
 

Niuul

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I completely forget, how long is it usually between beta release and full? 4 months?
 

yossa999

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I completely forget, how long is it usually between beta release and full? 4 months?
More than ten years. And it's not even close to beta.
And this is between the alpha version and the beta version.
Wait, you weren't talking abouth the 7 Days to Die?

Seriously, read the WiAB dev log, it's actually more about SG
https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-ch-3-full-oceanlab.19856/post-12969156

While I did do some WiAB in the past two weeks, I'm going to focus on SG for around 2-3 weeks, and then after the release of Season 1 SG, I will return to the usual schedule.
I would be skeptical about these estimates; I guess the full version will be ready somewhere in the second half of March. But this is just my pure speculation.
 
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