I've seen every freaking 3DCG model...

Bloo

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Well it's official, i've seen pretty much all the 3DCG models beings used for 3D porn games, i keep seeing the same Daz3D models over and over with little too no alteration by the creators. It can get a bit annoying to see the same model used in 10 different unfinished Patreon games in a row.

Hell, you've probably seen this face like 4 or 5 times these last few months. Damn you Genesis.​

 

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Yup, not a fan of games with these Daz 3D models either. And if it's an RPGMaker game, I'm honestly not even going to try it. If you're thinking of starting a Patreon, the popular thing to do right now is to 1) pirate Daz Studio and some model bundles, 2) pirate RPGMaker, and 3) churn out whatever contrived incest-related situation you can think of. Bonus points if it's in badly translated English.
 

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Yup, not a fan of games with these Daz 3D models either. And if it's an RPGMaker game, I'm honestly not even going to try it. If you're thinking of starting a Patreon, the popular thing to do right now is to 1) pirate Daz Studio and some model bundles, 2) pirate RPGMaker, and 3) churn out whatever contrived incest-related situation you can think of. Bonus points if it's in badly translated English.
Don't even get me started on the grammar and misspells. My english is far from perfect, it's not even my first or second language for that matter but these games with gibberish translations really grind my gears. Use a dictionary, use a spellcheck software, hell paste the phrase on Google Search and it will auto-correct it to the correct spelling 70% of the time, a lot of the time it's just typos that can be fixed with spell-check.

Has for the incest part you couldn't be more correct, it's so weird that a lot of 3DCGI comics and games are incest and in most cases blackmail rather than consensual. You would think there are other more popular themes like rape, student life and cheating but nope incest or bust, i guess they see these guys making a lot with Patreon from incest themes and they join the bandwagon hoping for a piece of the pie.
 
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I'm with you guys on that. I don't know why they don't just take their time on daz3d and make a unique model since they should learn how. You don't need rpgmaker. In fact, some of the best games with 3d models are made with Ren'Py, Twine, Adrift, TADS, and even RAGS. Xtracurricular Activity, GoblinBoy's games, Superpowered, Pervert Action Legacy, and many other games are made with unique 3D characters and not all are on RPG Maker. Granted, some do deal with incest but it's handled well with a good story behind it.
In my honest opinion, it points to lack of funds, laziness, or lack of knowlege. Could be all 3. I honestly don't know.
 
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I prefer 2D models than 3D models...

Off-topic but can you guys help me on something,

OTOH So far I've tried (Ren'py/Unity/Custom engine )

Witch Trainer
Princess Trainer
Magic Shop
Superpowered
Broken Heart Bordello
Defiler Wings
Teen Tales
Bend or Break
Stroke of Madness
Delirium
Sisters' Secret
Corrupting the Priestess
Korra Mindbreaking
Korra Trainer
Super Mom
TITS
Newlife
Free cities
School of Smut
Library Story
Venture Seas
The Beast and the Bitch
Something Unlimited

Can you guys suggest any other Ren'py/Unity/Custom engine games (No RPGMaker please!) with decent amount of content I might be missing? Your help would be much appreciated :)

 

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I prefer 2D models than 3D models...

Off-topic but can you guys help me on something,

OTOH So far I've tried (Ren'py/Unity/Custom engine )

Witch Trainer
Princess Trainer
Magic Shop
Superpowered
Broken Heart Bordello
Defiler Wings
Teen Tales
Bend or Break
Stroke of Madness
Delirium
Sisters' Secret
Corrupting the Priestess
Korra Mindbreaking
Korra Trainer
Super Mom
TITS
Newlife
Free cities
School of Smut
Library Story
Venture Seas
The Beast and the Bitch
Something Unlimited

Can you guys suggest any other Ren'py/Unity/Custom engine games (No RPGMaker please!) with decent amount of content I might be missing? Your help would be much appreciated :)
As muttdoggy stated, GoblinBoy's games, that's how I got into what was once called AIF. It's played using the TADS 3 interpreter. I still think his games surpass many (cough* all cough*) of the ones on patreon.
 

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Yeh i've played all of Goblinboy's AIF games and other when i was binging on AIF games, there is a RPG Maker remake of Goblinboy's The Camping Trip being made, i'm not sure if the guy got permission to use it or anything but it was decentish, nothing amazing.
 
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wynin

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Just imagine the shit show we would see if there was a ton of furry themed 3d models out there, just imagine it.....
 

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As muttdoggy stated, GoblinBoy's games, that's how I got into what was once called AIF. It's played using the TADS 3 interpreter. I still think his games surpass many (cough* all cough*) of the ones on patreon.
Thanks alot @Th3gh0st, any more suggestions?
@Bluedust , @wynin have you played any games that are not in my list (except rpgmaker games?)
 

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It takes a lot of times, and needs a lot of efforts to draw 2D images, beside those hand drawn 2D games don't have much contents, just a lot of dialogues and few images. so I more lean into daz based games as they are rich in visual contents, take less times to develop and deploy games, consist long stories. RPGMaker + Daz combination can produce fast and quality games better than all other combinations. I think it's difficult for an average person to develop a 2D game just as professional japanaese anime makers, I have seen in visual novel database a lot of japanese visual novels, they expand like a ton of hours but almost everything is developed by a team of professional developers. I don't think anyone can match them, especially in west as japanese works so hard and much longer than west.
 

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It takes a lot of times, and needs a lot of efforts to draw 2D images, beside those hand drawn 2D games don't have much contents, just a lot of dialogues and few images. so I more lean into daz based games as they are rich in visual contents, take less times to develop and deploy games, consist long stories. RPGMaker + Daz combination can produce fast and quality games better than all other combinations. I think it's difficult for an average person to develop a 2D game just as professional japanaese anime makers, I have seen in visual novel database a lot of japanese visual novels, they expand like a ton of hours but almost everything is developed by a team of professional developers. I don't think anyone can match them, especially in west as japanese works so hard and much longer than west.
We aren't arguing the fact that 2D is harder than 3D (in the case of pre-made assets). Our point here is the exact opposite of this sentence of yours "RPGMaker + Daz combination can produce fast and quality games better than all other combinations." 90% of the games here are unfinished and we wonder everyday just how many of them will ever be finished, so fast is out of the question. Quality, well most are littered with bugs, terrible translations, horrid map design, one dimensional characters and cliche stories, terrible gameplay loops... There's always exceptions to the rule but the fact stands that most of the RPG Maker games here are just unfinished games with half a dozen pictures using pre-made assets that were barely touched to look different enough, i would probably pay for 5 maybe 10 of the games around here if they were ever finished. The only game i ever put money on was Legend of Queen Opala and that's because i know the developer is capable enough of releasing his games.

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I prefer 2D models than 3D models...

Off-topic but can you guys help me on something,

OTOH So far I've tried (Ren'py/Unity/Custom engine )

Witch Trainer
Princess Trainer
Magic Shop
Superpowered
Broken Heart Bordello
Defiler Wings
Teen Tales
Bend or Break
Stroke of Madness
Delirium
Sisters' Secret
Corrupting the Priestess
Korra Mindbreaking
Korra Trainer
Super Mom
TITS
Newlife
Free cities
School of Smut
Library Story
Venture Seas
The Beast and the Bitch
Something Unlimited

Can you guys suggest any other Ren'py/Unity/Custom engine games (No RPGMaker please!) with decent amount of content I might be missing? Your help would be much appreciated :)
Renpy - Boy Dominates Sexy Mom and The Little Minx by Cardium -
Hand drawn, completed, fun to play but it's RPG Maker (you said no but give this one a try if you haven't already) -
Overwhored by Cypress Zeta
RAGS games... Needs 2.4.16 player and if you need it, I have it. - Me against the World
and No Haven
Watch the development of a game called "Summertime Saga" by DarkCookie.. nice art!
 
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Renpy - Boy Dominates Sexy Mom and The Little Minx by Cardium -
Hand drawn, completed, fun to play but it's RPG Maker (you said no but give this one a try if you haven't already) -
Overwhored by Cypress Zeta
RAGS games... Needs 2.4.16 player and if you need it, I have it. - Me against the World
and No Haven
Watch the development of a game called "Summertime Saga" by DarkCookie.. nice art!
Thanks @muttdoggy! Will give 'em a try....
Summertime Saga looks very promising, looks like it's gonna be an legendary game once its completed
 

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Yup, not a fan of games with these Daz 3D models either. And if it's an RPGMaker game, I'm honestly not even going to try it. If you're thinking of starting a Patreon, the popular thing to do right now is to 1) pirate Daz Studio and some model bundles, 2) pirate RPGMaker, and 3) churn out whatever contrived incest-related situation you can think of. Bonus points if it's in badly translated English.
Haha pretty much. Oh and don't forget: Big tits! In fact let's make them stupidly big, on everyone!!
 
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If you guys, normal gamers hate this behavior ... I've been voicing this pragmatism/laziness for 2 years.

First, my job is 3D animation. Creating from nothing, without character generation, making nude model, rig it, etc ... till the nude model finished and ready for animation. That's a dedication, an art.

Second, compare to old games using 3D model. There's ton of them that looks so good and unique to their own style. Until Daz Studio became a thing and easily pirated. Now every model look the same.

Third, Un-certified Pevert Developer/Story Maker. They just create a 3D model an name it "MOM", get young boy name it "BOY" / "SON". And do taboo sex, and that it's, tag it Incest games.

Many many of these games are (analogy) written by 13 years old pervert boy. They just focus on sex, not the motive. I have many times called out these developer and debate them over their games lackey on story motive. While I can cornered these developers, their fans are the one who shut me down for criticize them. So these lazy developer instead getting criticized and up their quality, since the fans also 13 years old pervert gamers who only care for sex scene, they create what the demands want. F U, to that kind of fans and dev.

We all know, hentai & adult games are fiction, but that doesn't mean the human behavior in the story also unreal.

1. Incest (Mom & Son)
Ex. "Son teasing mother 3 times, showing his cock, and with little push or ransom, mom suck her son dick"
This is the kind of unreal behavior and show how lazy and low quality of story.

There's is super thick line of how a mother can love her child, from love of care, to love for sex. Our target is too make the story that the mother break this line. So we have to create a good story how the mother can go to that dark area of morality. Also, a mother has look penis before she see the child penis. Penis isn't that intrigue by woman. Man can think when we show our penis to woman, it's an instant sex appeal. THAT is LAME thinking ! . Woman not seeing our penis, they see the man's "AURA". It can be result of the man character, wealth, look and unique charm, and other things. But definitely not just because showing big penis. But we as man, DID, see woman by their look. We put aside the woman character, we see body type first.

2. All girl are slut & brainless
OMG, how I'm so done with games that use this kind of plot/idea. (Majority of games use this thinking)
Hell no ! ... Yes, woman can be "subdued" but each woman has different integrity level. Look how many games, when we introduced to their character, they already use slutty clothes !!! . This is how one don't have intellectual to create a decent story.

3. Story, creativity & motivation are brainless.
As above comment, they are just join the band wagon. Use Daz, use rape/mind control/incest story plot, create sex scene ... release.
These developer should read many drama books. When you read those fiction drama books, you can literally add some sex scene to it and it would be good adult story. Creating own good story is hard, so do grab from those drama books.
If you think LOP games are good, it's not. Majority of those games are also have bad written story. They too use either of Daz Studio or something similar, and the story also weak.

There still so many things you can criticized, but some can be compromise, such as ...

4. English 101
Come one guys, some non-English native people can understand/learning English so fast and create a good sentence, but some are don't. Me include, hehehe ... So it can be fix later on.
Creating games is not an easy task. You have to dwell with thousand of script lines, consume thousand hour to do it right. 1 wrong script can produce many bugs. So be compromise that 1 wrong English 101 is nothing compare to it. In this world, it's 1:20 between native English speaker and the rest of the world language. And from that comparison, it's 1:100 for non-English native people can understand English perfectly. Those Russian's developers are tired when criticized not able generate good English speech. So they are retaliate by not making English version at all, because if they do, you guys who master in English degree are try to be a GOD by pointing this and that. Then that's their answer, try to be good in Russian 101 ... can you do it folks ? Think again.
 

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"Those Russian's developers are tired when criticized not able generate good English speech.
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Russian developers are tired of being criticized for their lack of proficiency with the English language.

English is the universal language of the world, if i go to China or Russia the only to communicate would be English, they don't speak my language and i don't speak theirs. It's an easy language, i learned it from watching movies with subtitles and the internet, but the problem is far from them having a perfect grammar, it's their lack of concern, I've seen developers who earn 5000€ per month from Patreon and don't even bother having a "QC" (quality control), if you've ever seen a visual novel group translating your jaw would drop at the staggering amount of work it takes, in comparison a RPG Maker game would have about 5% the text a medium sized visual novel would have, not to mention they are translating rather than writing themselves which is harder. Also i'm not talking about professionally paid companies that localize VN, i'm talking about college students who aren't getting paid and translate giant masses of text and barely with barely any typos or incorrect sentences.

If you know your English is far from perfect, you have a community, you can ask them to help fix the script (bugs and shit), you can also hire a freaking QC when you are earning 2k€+ a month but hey that's just me.
 
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If someone is charging money for a game and the game's primary language is English, is it unreasonable to expect the English to be at least decent? Some of these games are so poorly translated that you literally can't understand them. There isn't a single language that makes perfect sense when machine translated to English; that's not a solution that could ever create a passable result. However, if it's a tiny project, if the creator is receiving little or no financial support, if it's a free game, I can forgive it. But that doesn't make it exempt from criticism.

And honestly, with the amount of money some of these Patreon games make, they can afford to find a native English speaker to proofread their games.They could even go for a community approach and put that job in the hands of their Patrons and fans, since they obviously must have an English-speaking audience to even bother creating a game in English at all.
 
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One of the biggest issues with utilizing the same 3DCG models is as you've mentioned, the lack of effort that goes into editing them. I think I've seen the 'Dating My Daughter' model in at least two other games, now. I know that Daz3D has very simple tools for altering hair, body types, clothing, etc. but they go unused in favor of pumping these things out.

Another thing is lighting. I know that program takes ages to render, but that's no excuse for poor lighting, and just about every 3D game suffers from bad lighting at least one point during the game, if not most of it.