Ren'Py Onhold When Everything's Red [v0.4] [Fallen Angel Productions and Empty Ears Game Studios]

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Mommysbuttslut

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I feel part of it is that like 95% of harem games have to have unavoidable lesbian scenes. Also think of it like this if it was a guy instead of another girl could you still call it a harem. And then we also have people who dont care about relationships outside of the mc and would prefer to focus on the mc. So harem has become so diluted that some of the so called harem games should actually just have the swinging tag.
~30% of harem games here have a lesbian tag and most of that is avoidable. This ridiculous hyperbole from the harem puritans that lesbianism is ruining harem is so over the top nonsense and has been played out to the point of complete stupidity.
 

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I feel part of it is that like 95% of harem games have to have unavoidable lesbian scenes. Also think of it like this if it was a guy instead of another girl could you still call it a harem. And then we also have people who dont care about relationships outside of the mc and would prefer to focus on the mc. So harem has become so diluted that some of the so called harem games should actually just have the swinging tag.
From what I've grew up with, those would be called Reversed-Harem if it was a guy instead of another girl. Unless you mean by MC still being a guy, then no, those would definitely be considered cheating or sharing. I can accept sharing between women but that doesn't really change the fact that women have no dicks to break men's heart and fully turn this into NTR. Just because there are lesbians in it doesn't mean these lesbians are going to steal each other away from the MC. This just means you have extra stuff that you can enjoy or skip.

But like I said, this is a harem game. Just weird as shit to be this dramatic about lesbians when we're clearly in it for the women.

And not to mention, I'm trying to give these babes a story and a reason for why they are the way they are. 30+ women. Would be boring as all hell if they all just do the same thing and not have anything added to it aside from just BJ, Vag sex, and Anal sex.

It may just be me, but I came with the mindset that I can just skip through the stuff I don't want to read. And it's not like I made these lesbian sex scenes to be 30+ minutes long.
 
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~30% of harem games here have a lesbian tag and most of that is avoidable. This ridiculous hyperbole from the harem puritans that lesbianism is ruining harem is so over the top nonsense and has been played out to the point of complete stupidity.
Your 30% does not include games with planed lesbian and i would also add no most is not avoidable it usually skip if that. Also you having to say harem puritan is proving the point that it is not a real harem. Even you have to admit that a lot of harem games would fit a poly tag better. Also i was just replying to the dev wondering why some people are against it.
 

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Your 30% does not include games with planed lesbian and i would also add no most is not avoidable it usually skip if that. Also you having to say harem puritan is proving the point that it is not a real harem. Even you have to admit that a lot of harem games would fit a poly tag better. Also i was just replying to the dev wondering why some people are against it.
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NTR is not just about stealing the MC's LI. Bitch spreading her legs for another man or woman is cheating and falls under NTR. If it's a woman then it's Lez-NTR and it's getting a tag here too. Which is Netorare-Lesbian. And in no way can this be called a harem game anymore. If a bitch has to share her ass, then that definitely doesn't belong in harem. In harem you don't have to be in a relationship with the MC, but if the woman is in harem, then she is ONLY fucked by the MC.

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"Not to be confused with ... consensual dynamics" either you're outing yourself or you can't read. There's no lesbian NTR here. There's 2 girls who are not in a relationship with the MC who are in a relationship with each other since before the start of the game, and another girl who they openly engage with in their relationship who also isn't in a relationship with the mc.
You've obviously not even played the game if you're spouting this BS so why are you even here? To troll because someone has a different dynamic for you ~favourite genre than you? Get a life.
 

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NTR is not just about stealing the MC's LI. Bitch spreading her legs for another man or woman is cheating and falls under NTR. If it's a woman then it's Lez-NTR and it's getting a tag here too. Which is Netorare-Lesbian. And in no way can this be called a harem game anymore. If a bitch has to share her ass, then that definitely doesn't belong in harem. In harem you don't have to be in a relationship with the MC, but if the woman is in harem, then she is ONLY fucked by the MC.

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The women still aren't in the relationship with the MC yet, though. They will be and it still wouldn't be cheating if you give them permission. I realized in my first message to you, I accidentally said unavoidable, but I really meant avoidable. Sorry about that. And aye, it IS consensual. It's only cheating if they really are doing this with mischievous intention to actually cheat. So no breaking MC's heart or anything like that in my game.

That said... I am getting a little worried about us getting in trouble with off-topic stuff. Though, I wouldn't think this would be considered off-topic since it's about my game but I honestly don't know. Let's call it a truce and say "To each their own", aye?
 
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hmm games give a error at start if you don't use one or more addons.
right at start you can ignore, but the at choosing family it crashes no matter what you fill in;
Thn i've installed all 3 addons and it worked like a charm.
 

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Harem + Incest + Pregnancy.
Ding, ding, ding, we got a winner!

*sees 0.3 version*
On the other hand, I shall return in a few months time.
 

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hmm games give a error at start if you don't use one or more addons.
right at start you can ignore, but the at choosing family it crashes no matter what you fill in;
Thn i've installed all 3 addons and it worked like a charm.
That's because of the persistent variables. If you downloaded and used the addons in V0.2 and you don't download it for V0.3, it will give you a bunch of errors. Though, if you keep the V0.2, you can use the Update Only version to simply add onto the game instead of downloading it every time because the game size is going to get pretty big. Lol. I did try to make that part a bit easier for everyone.
 

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NTR is not just about stealing the MC's LI. Bitch spreading her legs for another man or woman is cheating and falls under NTR. If it's a woman then it's Lez-NTR and it's getting a tag here too. Which is Netorare-Lesbian. And in no way can this be called a harem game anymore. If a bitch has to share her ass, then that definitely doesn't belong in harem. In harem you don't have to be in a relationship with the MC, but if the woman is in harem, then she is ONLY fucked by the MC.

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The tag literally explicitly says "not to be confused with consensual dynamics".
Female haremettes fucking each other has its own seperate tags.

This is about clarity. new tags are suppose to clearly indicates what is happening and allow people to decide on their own what games they want.

If you do not like lesbians in your harem that is perfectly fine. For each their own. but please do not mislead people about the game's content.

In this game, there is a lesbian couple which you can seduce. You do not have to see any lesbian scenes...
Although, if you choose not to, i am not sure if it is skipped or avoided. I am guessing skipped since they are already a couple.
 
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That's because of the persistent variables. If you downloaded and used the addons in V0.2 and you don't download it for V0.3, it will give you a bunch of errors. Though, if you keep the V0.2, you can use the Update Only version to simply add onto the game instead of downloading it every time because the game size is going to get pretty big. Lol. I did try to make that part a bit easier for everyone.
I could understand that if I would load a save game without the addon's, but not when just starting the game and not even get to the menu. that should not depend on the persistent data. if i then would start a new game without addon's it should work.
 

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I don't think I've heard of Divinion? Or are you talking about Dominion? If so, I only helped them a bit with coding.


There will be a few areas. Mainly this village for a bit and then it'll move onto a castle. Story will have both realistic feel to it and comedy. But I think that'd depend on how you, the player, will feel about the story altogether. There will be 5 arcs altogether as well. We're currently on the Bandits Arc.
cool, okay.

and here
The Dark Lord Rises [v1.0.0] [Tjord]
Divinion - The Dark Lord Returns [v2.0.1] [Tjord]
 

MannyTearson92

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I could understand that if I would load a save game without the addon's, but not when just starting the game and not even get to the menu. that should not depend on the persistent data. if i then would start a new game without addon's it should work.
Persistent Variables are forever. It affects things even in the menu. I'll try to figure out a solution so we don't have to keep going through this and y'all can play the game comfortably. But I can't promise anything as I've never tried doing that with persistent variables before. We'll see.
 

MannyTearson92

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hmm games give a error at start if you don't use one or more addons.
right at start you can ignore, but the at choosing family it crashes no matter what you fill in;
Thn i've installed all 3 addons and it worked like a charm.
Alrighty! I finally found a fix so that if you do not want to use one or some of the other addons, you don't have to. I've had the help of another person and he's freaking awesome.

Simply download the addon_bugfixes.rpy, move it to the 'game' folder, and you should be golden.
 
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